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post Mar 20 2023, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 20 2023, 04:15 PM)
unfortunately, is he solving the issue?
in fact, he is also compounding on the problem... giving 500rm to those between 40 to 54 years old of below 10K rm. Guess what, now they expect 500rm handouts every year inside and in same time, asking for withdrawal to keep their balances below 10K rm.
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possible. but what's good for those who only keep their balances below RM10k? not gonna do them good.

This is just not logical and doesnt make any sense (at least to me).
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post Apr 4 2023, 03:04 PM

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only if we can do a bullet payment at the end of the tenure of the loan, otherwise it don't make sense unless it is like mortgage loan on balancing outstanding reducing basis.
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post Apr 4 2023, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Apr 4 2023, 03:10 PM)

There you go.. there is two option. To pay monthly or to pay one lump sum when you hit 50 or 55.
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Thanks.

let's say you borrow 50k and then put straight back into EPF and gain the 5% dividend and you are only paying say, 4% of interest p.a.

Pay lumpsum directly at the age of 50 or 55. you earn the interest free, arbitrage, no reason not to go for it?

Only risk is when the dividend is actually lower than the interest rate.

thoughts anyone?
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post Apr 4 2023, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Apr 4 2023, 04:41 PM)
That is what they want you to believe but in the end the only winners are the banks and everybody else losses. Never trust a bank to let you earn money.

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Currently, we know who are the major shareholders of the participating banks and it comes back to us as the contributors. happy for that too LOL.

just viewing from contributors/investors lens
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post Apr 5 2023, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Apr 4 2023, 07:01 PM)
Investor point of view? Not worth it. Especially on a volatile and uncertain market. Right now is time to hold cash and not assets. Assets already in or coz don't touch but new money? Hold cash, not debt. Very easy balloon and spiral out of control. But the backs are getting risk free money. That's why it helps them, not us.
FD is your money and not bank money. And FD rates are going down. FD means every 12 months to 18 months you will lose it. It's not thiers. Mass withdrawal (bank run) = death of bank. In Malaysia it's low probability.. But it's not zero. This loan you cannot run. Lock in period is there and you are guranteed to get your money back. So it's very very profitable. Let's imagine next year FD rates 3% which happened before and can easily happen again. Your kwsp loan still 4.14% (your number up there). What risk is there? If you loan 10 years they are getting FD from you next 10 years. Easy money. Still don't see the picture?
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as an investor of the banks/financial institutions.
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post Apr 5 2023, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 4 2023, 09:12 PM)
dunno... ideally you wanna be transparent and dun wanna be accused of favoritism... so its more efficient to call a big meeting with all the bankers present and lay down the proposal... then see who's in who's out... and thrash out any issues before go live...
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RHB's major shareholder(s) is also EPF, but didnt see them participating in this one, yet?

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post Apr 5 2023, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(Zeroxhunter @ Apr 5 2023, 10:16 AM)
Patience. Those major bank having internal discussion between themselves on how to slurp more money from kwsp freely.
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ya i know, it comes back to you as the shareholder of the banks and us, as the contributors into EPF.

QUOTE(netcrawler @ Apr 5 2023, 10:32 AM)
RHB and MBSB should give better rate as EPF is their major share holder.
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it works for and against EPF, it's a circular thingy, good and bad for the contributors in a way.
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post Apr 5 2023, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 5 2023, 04:53 PM)
I understand how costing works 🤦‍♀️

Just that employers love to higher headcount with low wages rather automation 🤦‍♀️
Because you have children earlier 🤦‍♀️

Ppl these days get married later in life and only have children at late 30s 🤦‍♀️

Do you know how much to raise a children as compared to your time as now with a million for 18yrs might not be enough with inflation at 5% yearly 🤦‍♀️
It would not be decent but guaranteed collateral capital for those involved 🤦‍♀️ and factor in expenses bank incurred just running these schemes
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why you die die also want to argue and win an argument? doh.gif

what he's saying was doesnt matter you're in your 30s or in your 40s, you can also be financially troubled and require that withdrawal

and why the gomen only helping the above 40 group (at least at the moment), is for the scheme to work.

must you argue every damn thing? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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post Apr 6 2023, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Apr 5 2023, 06:03 PM)
why you die die also want to argue and win an argument?  doh.gif

what he's saying was doesnt matter you're in your 30s or in your 40s, you can also be financially troubled and require that withdrawal

and why the gomen only helping the above 40 group (at least at the moment), is for the scheme to work.

must you argue every damn thing?  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 6 2023, 03:14 AM)
I am not trying to win an argument just putting my point across in the 1st place 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Govt is helping those 40s because for a simple reason as they don’t want to see any rise in defaults and bankruptcies  in those age brackets as those younger will not be so susceptible to it

Don’t forget about those 40s with families as with bankruptcies and defaults the rise of social problems will be more impacted to the community itself 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️
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While i believe many would value your valuable posts in various topics in this forum but there are also quite a number of those which i think many would deem it as unnecessary (at least for me). that's about it, no need to always have the last say and everyone must agree with you at the end of the day. At least this is the vibe you are sending to some here.

Are you a lawyer by any chance?

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post Apr 6 2023, 09:57 AM

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so tomorrow is the day, anyone here planning to try applying? caveat is you can't reject the loan after it is being approved, so you must think twice before applying.
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post Apr 7 2023, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 6 2023, 11:06 PM)
Kidney saving???
That's one fake right?
The guy apologize 😁

Only 10k
Later people angry... Why so little...

Makcik says I got 300k in EPF... Only can see far... Cannot touch use them 😄
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previously special withdrawal is also up to 10k right? then it should be in-line with previous practice, so there should not be a ground for ppl to angry about this, no?

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post Apr 7 2023, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 7 2023, 10:38 AM)
Now all very greedy already...

10k not enough 😁 need more & loans free....

Not like the one offered.... Clean $$$... Not debt involved 🙏
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lagi baik bagi tongkat jer..... tongue.gif
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post Apr 7 2023, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 7 2023, 11:21 AM)
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ancial-adviser/

Nothing surprising....
Banks sure profit from this loans thingy
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ya definitely, banks won't do rugi business for sure. it's just that would it be meaningful enough for the contributors to go through the hassle in the event you can capitalise on the arbitrage.
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post Apr 7 2023, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 7 2023, 11:37 AM)
why des ppl dun come out say free 10k withdrawal last time bad for retirements... lol...

say take loan will jeopardize future cash flow... but des ppl already cash flow problem now des why need loan...

no otak one these ppl... lol...
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that's why it boils down to education on financial literacy.
it's really a pity sad.gif
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post Apr 10 2023, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Apr 9 2023, 11:18 PM)
It just means kwsp 4K is one limit...

the other 3K rm limit can be used for life insurance and EPF also....

ie, if one never bought life insurance, then now 7K rm into EPF is tax relief. 
but if one already existingly used up 3K rm due to life insurance purchase, then total EPF tax relief one can get is still 4K rm.

that's my understanding.... don't know why gov had to make it so cumbersome.
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This one thanks to LGE right?
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post Apr 10 2023, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 10 2023, 09:52 AM)
Thanks to some family or friends influence....

All out.... Using retirement $$$..
I think...
EPF or gomen must do some education course or workshop for those near retirement.... Make sure don't fall into trap... Financial advisors must give inputs....

If not...
Every years sure have many people always lose the $$ or not enough $$$ to survive
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The bolded part, gomen should educate la, the level of financial literacy is pretty scarry in the country.

But for the financial advisors, could be very tricky yo! ask them to keep in EPF means they gonna break their own rice bowl, likely that they would sell some kind of good yielding products.....
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QUOTE(Rinth @ Apr 10 2023, 12:10 PM)
ever since i start working and slowly understand personal finance, i always so furious when see this kind of action.....nowaday at work place i keep brainwashing those almost 55 yo uncle aunties to treat their EPF account like CASA, instead of withdrawing it out.....even better if dun have online withdrawal and only go withdrawal when really needed the funds...
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online can still keep la, for convenience.

it is about self determination really.
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post May 2 2023, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(PueRTeaA @ May 2 2023, 05:20 PM)
agree. that why i also quit my job and self-employed now. Never look back corporate world rclxm9.gif
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not all people can become a boss nor all people want to be a boss.

if i am drawing a high salary and assuming i don't have any increment for the next 20 years and yet I can still have a couple of millions in my EPF by the time i retire at 60, why would i wanna risk it to quit a high paying job and may not be able to generate that much? of course, if you have a clear plan, vision and if you are confident in executing it, by all means.

no one is irreplaceable, but this is not an easily replaced job with the exact right fit, just that.
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post May 3 2023, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(PueRTeaA @ May 2 2023, 07:50 PM)
wife role will get replace after AI reach maturity phase biggrin.gif

may be 100 year later, all human baby is lab born. doh.gif

kwsp need wait cabinet meeting tmr for discussion....wait news development tmr....after meeting may be govt will announce 3 month kaji dulu.... doh.gif
EPF account got 6 digit or 7 digit doesn't matter  doh.gif, important is ur passive income> current income then can STOP work already lah

Coz  money cant bring go, enjoy life dulu, that why new gen all prefer YOLO dulu rclxm9.gif
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of course if one can achieve financial freedom then it is good.
6 or 7 digits in EPF is important for sure, with it, it can generate sufficient passive income even placing in FD, living off just the interest without touching your principal, this does not matter to you?
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post May 3 2023, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(PueRTeaA @ May 3 2023, 10:24 AM)
FD return rate too low even it offer 5% still consider low but risk free. FD for emergency cash only. FD park 2-4 month cash enough.
Other money park somewhere else for higher return. biggrin.gif

As long as the investment annual return higher than your annual salary income, its time for resign and retired or can do self employed and do something you like. Buy AI coffee machine and wait it automatic brew you fresh coffee everyday morning at 8am, enjoy life dulu biggrin.gif
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well, who doesnt like the idea to FIRE. of course if one can do it, good for them.

But my point earlier was, not everyone would want to be a boss or even qualify to be a boss. if i have a high paying job, certainly will stick with it and build my epf (other than other investment/safety net) for retirement.

and yea, you can retire early and enjoy life by resigning when you have higher annual returns than your annual income, but even if i have, i will still continue working to keep myself active (not saying you can't be active after retiring) and drawing high salary.

i have also briefly calculated before, the final 5 years of working would be very crucial to accumulate the last pile of cash in your epf, easily around RM1.2m - RM1.5m in the last 5 years, power of compounding. i would definitely see the 5 years out and thereafter enjoy the money for retirement. unless i have really enough for retirement already then can opt to retire early.

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