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batman1172
post May 10 2023, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 10 2023, 10:59 AM)
6% is RM60++ billion in offshore market to sell n convert back to MYR..and then put where..
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Pay dividend. Give me.
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post May 12 2023, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 12 2023, 12:26 PM)
either medical nanites or home automaton helper that will take care of the elderly...

please... before I become too old. lol

hopefully my EPF dividend is enough to pay for yearly subscription to such services.
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I want medical nanny too. Hehehehe
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post May 24 2023, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 23 2023, 02:52 PM)
Edge back of envelope calculations is 0.2 to 0.5% lower if Kwsp limited to 30% foreign assets

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/666961
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now I'm thinking to self contribute some more
no thanks to pmx - intefere with professionals managing funds
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post May 25 2023, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 25 2023, 09:33 AM)
Whatever..

As long didn't sell at loss...

It's good enough πŸ‘

Take up more Sunway shares? Well it's following PMX "suggestions" of 70% in local assets 😜
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Cannot sell local and buy back local. Net impact zero.


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post May 30 2023, 02:05 PM

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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...dy-says-sec-gen

topic now open again. good for rakyat?
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post May 31 2023, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ May 31 2023, 09:58 AM)
actually can be managed lah... just cut 1% from those 20k plus ppl... ok already... hehehe
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its the people who get 20k plus who makes the decision hehehehe

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post Jun 1 2023, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Jun 1 2023, 11:45 AM)
Yah.. That's what i am saying the t10 is willing to let you cut because? They are t10 for a reason. Are you going to tell them you gonna punish them coz of thier capability too good and give thier meat to b40 coz they too useless and incentive them to become useless so they can get meat from t10? Looks that everybody no more incentives to do better liao.. this is what i always telling ppl.. someone doing better means you should reward them for it.. Not punish them. If you tell me they are doing good so we should help those struggling then you are punishing the good and rewarding the bad.
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Its punishment for performance. the more you earn, the more you get taxed. so why bother? better be lazy and get subsidy. applies not only to tax but also to dividend from EPF also if they come down to tier
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post Jun 16 2023, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 16 2023, 11:15 AM)
They giving excuses that our healthcare is very highly subsidized... One of the highest in the world they say.... Pay only rm1 or rm5.... Very cheap for everyone.... They also said T20 abusing the healthcare facilities.... Enjoy it at very low cost......

This third party thingy I don't really agree.... Would increase the cost.... Like how pharmniaga monopoly of supplies.... They actually not very efficient.... Just okay only... Nothing impressive at all.... Now see they also in trouble because of wrong decisions made on vaccine procurement...

Being poor means need to be healthy.... Cannot get sick later on.... Need to pay.... Looks like we going towards like African style.... Poor don't really have access to healthcare?????  Now also can see at those small private clinic.... Minimum rm50... Can go till 100+++ if your sickness is more....
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Agree t20 should not get free hospital. After all household got 10k already should be able to afford private I think. maybe retire already no choice have to go govt

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post Jun 16 2023, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(koaydarren @ Jun 16 2023, 08:01 PM)
Funny thing is our country's T20 is freaking poor. Imagine after removing all the subsidies from petrol, electricity, healthcare, etc. The total expense will be the same as b40. Why not all the T20 don't work and enjoy the benefits as b40?
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Agree. I plan to do that. Since it’s based on employment income not passive income or capital gain.
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post Jun 16 2023, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 16 2023, 10:23 PM)
You mean disposable income doesn't include dividend from epf, ASMx & Sdn Bhd? Only based on LHDN income submission?
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Definition of t20 b40 is based on income not disposable income for now. Dividend already subject to corporate tax so need to punish us more by not giving subsidy? Dividend from epf can’t take out so is that income? What is ASM?
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post Jun 17 2023, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Jun 17 2023, 10:04 AM)
wealth is relative
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Health is wealth and happiness too
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post Jun 19 2023, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(blibala @ Jun 19 2023, 03:50 PM)
Shouldn't punish t20 for earning more. It is bcoz b40 and m40 cant earn extra due to certain reasons... Lolz..
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Not all can't earn. Some choose not to earn even if possible.
In a small business for example, some choose to open from morning till night but some choose to open only during breakfast time then close shop. And yet some choose to open only when need money, otherwise don't open shop for few days.
In corporate world, some choose to push them self hard. some just want to remain doing repetiative jobs even with a degree/diploma. I've seen a lot.
Those no hand, no leg I can understand but still some are owners of listed company better than with hand and leg



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post Jul 5 2023, 04:28 PM

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We will get pension scheme soonπŸ‘
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post Jul 6 2023, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(126126 @ Jul 6 2023, 10:49 AM)
https://www.nst.com.my/business/2023/07/927...stment-strategy

My interpretation of what he is trying to say is well articulated here.

They want ppl to withdraw regularly instead of lumpsum.

Not sure why there is so mich fear mongering on epf. If scared take it out immediately
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maybe they t20 people to be scared and take out immediately now so in in future pay less dividend to them. No need to implement tier-dividend.

also will implement basic income drawdown. how much a month?
https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/673791

KUALA LUMPUR (July 6): Prime Minister Datuk Sri Anwar Ibrahim said any decision on the basic income drawdown plans for members' savings will be decided by the Employment Provident Fund (EPF).

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post Jul 6 2023, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jul 6 2023, 01:58 PM)
Assuming 240K rm at start of 56 years old, EPF div rate stable at 5% pa, achieve 0 balance by age 76 (ie 20 years drawdown),
can spend 1.6K pm.

worth it?
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I think they gonna cap withdrawl at RM1k monthly from 56 since only 18% of members have enough money. And then later extend retirement age to say 65.
https://www.nst.com.my/business/2023/07/927...post-retirement

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 6 2023, 01:57 PM)
Wondering what is "basic income drawdown"?
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RM240k/20 years = 1k monthly?


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post Jul 7 2023, 08:10 AM

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there is a poll here. go vote

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2023...aching-55-years

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post Jul 7 2023, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 7 2023, 10:32 AM)
That's vote including me 😁

I hope EPF & PMX see how unpopular this thing is....
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Actually I will do monthly withdrawal thing voluntary but the thing is I need RM5k monthly and that amount to be increased by 3%-4% yearly depending on inflation rate and I guess this value will be different from person to person. If they use RM240k/20 years without factoring in inflation then my EPF can last me till maybe 200 years old. So my vote is NO and if they still do, I will vote the next PM who say can take out my money.

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post Jul 7 2023, 11:13 AM

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Mainstream news is publishing komitiam news

https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/national/ens...d0b867ba4&ei=14

However, the EPF should set a certain limit for the withdrawals or members might deplete their savings pretty quickly.

β€œPerhaps, limit it between RM500 and RM1,000,” he said, adding that they can be allowed to withdraw only monthly or quarterly each year.
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post Jul 7 2023, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jul 7 2023, 12:40 PM)
You don't need to worry much about this...

really doubt EPF will implement the worst version I can think off (hopefully not due to lack of imagination). Which is the one that regardless of amount, everything is converted into annuity where only 1K rm is allowed to be withdrawn.... defies logic... imagine having say 2 million in Epf but can only withdraw 1K per month    devil.gif

Plus, who are the top 248 members and those with above 5 million in EPF? these are ex or current CEOs and C suites people with connections... sure these guys will make noise too.
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Yep it defies logic especially for people with >RM1m. There is also a law that says anything >RM1m can take out. Most probably I think they will make it effective for new contibution (create a account 3 or something). Then EPF will become CPF giving time.



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