QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Feb 22 2020, 01:48 PM)
Next financial year rate could be worse @ lower..Expect to hit 4% +/-
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Feb 22 2020, 02:02 PM
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Feb 22 2020, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Feb 22 2020, 01:30 PM) Janji it's shariah compliance... Plenty of US and other foreign stocks are not halal, so you can guess the reason behind the wide performance gap.5% also give peace of mind knowing it's halal $$.. Unlike the 5.45 which considered as "not clean".. U get what I'm trying to say 😂💯 |
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Feb 22 2020, 02:19 PM
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See Y'all next Feb!
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Feb 22 2020, 02:26 PM
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still unable to log on kwsp online account...
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Feb 22 2020, 02:36 PM
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Feb 22 2020, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Feb 22 2020, 01:01 PM) I can share that while 2019 is a decent year due to foreign investment and local bonds doing well, internally EPF is bracing for a worse year in 2020 and beyond. So be prepared for sub-5 next year onwards, if not next year then the years beyond that. That will be the 'new normal' for the coming decade. and this from the mouth of Chief EPF Officer himself...... “As anticipated, we saw substantially more volatility in 2019 as compared to 2018,” said Chief EPF Officer Alizakri Alias said the statement this afternoon. Alizakri expects that 2020 to be “just as or even more challenging than 2019, with the full impact of the COVID-19 virus likely to drag down already soft global growth”. “The US-China trade war still sees no signs of ending, among other risks to economic recovery. https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/epf-...019-lowest-2008 if he said 2019 was challenging, and expects that 2020 to be “just as or even more challenging than 2019..." 2019 we got 5.45%....2020 will be ??? |
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Feb 22 2020, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Feb 22 2020, 02:14 PM) Plenty of US and other foreign stocks are not halal, so you can guess the reason behind the wide performance gap. I still can't relate why ppl wanted to mix financial with religion. Why bothered spend so much money and efforts on introducing and maintaining Islamic banking system while most of elements and fundamental are copied from conventional banking. Backend IT system still back in 0 and 1 logic. Do we see any country in the world pushing hard for Christian or Buddish Banking? Or such thing really exist? If there are God exist as per respective religion, are these God really bothered much on MONEY matters that created by human. Well, that it as my self mumbling with no intentions to offend those believes in such system. (Off topic) |
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Feb 22 2020, 02:51 PM
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Feb 22 2020, 02:53 PM
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Feb 22 2020, 02:57 PM
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Not bad the rate...
Didn't expect to be this level. |
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Feb 22 2020, 02:58 PM
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Feb 22 2020, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(sky18 @ Feb 22 2020, 02:45 PM) I still can't relate why ppl wanted to mix financial with religion. Why bothered spend so much money and efforts on introducing and maintaining Islamic banking system while most of elements and fundamental are copied from conventional banking. Backend IT system still back in 0 and 1 logic. End of the day, all investors seek the same thing: for returns and to sleep well at night.Do we see any country in the world pushing hard for Christian or Buddish Banking? Or such thing really exist? If there are God exist as per respective religion, are these God really bothered much on MONEY matters that created by human. Well, that it as my self mumbling with no intentions to offend those believes in such system. (Off topic) I see it as opportunity for capital to flow into Malaysia. Malaysia holds a pretty big pie in global Islamic financing, especially sukuk. |
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Feb 22 2020, 03:12 PM
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It's related to after lives...
Better get all the good points... This why shariah investment is introduce... Give option for the people too... |
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Feb 22 2020, 03:20 PM
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While everyone is focusing on 5.45% dividend, let's dig deeper.
https://www.kwsp.gov.my/-/appendix-epf-2019-performance QUOTE 1: EPF 2019 CORPORATE PERFORMANCE As of 31 December 2019, the EPF recorded 14.6 million members, out of which 7.6 million were active members. The members encompass five generations of the Malaysian workforce: 1.4% are born between years 1900 to 1940, 8.0% are Baby Boomers (born between years 1941 to 1960), 38.3% are from Generation X (born between years 1961 to 1980), 51.5% are from Generation Y (born between years 1981 to 2000) and 0.9% are from Generation Z (born from 2001 onwards). In the same year, the EPF saw a 24.6% growth in i-Akaun subscribers from 2018’s 6.1 million subscribers, to 7.6 million subscribers. Employers registered under the EPF grew by 3.0% from 507,100 to 522,300 employers. The Fund received an average monthly contribution collection of RM6.3 billion, leading up to a total collection of RM75.9 billion by the end of 31 December 2019, which translates to an approximate RM144,000 per minute. There were a total of RM44.8 billion in withdrawals which translates into an estimated RM85,000 disbursed to members every minute. Net contributions to the EPF came up to RM31.1 billion, or an average of RM2.6 billion monthly and RM59,000 per minute. In order to better serve its members, the EPF undertook several initiatives in 2019 such as the launch of i-Invest which recorded a transaction value of RM81.8 million, benefitting over 10,000 members, since the launch in August 2019. Financial literacy remains one of the core initiatives for the year, with the launch of the Belanjawanku and My Money Matters guides, both providing information and tips on financial spending. Voluntary contribution schemes i-Saraan (for informal workers) and i-Suri (for housewives) recorded RM144 million and RM7.4 million in transactions respectively, underlining the EPF’s commitment to expanding social security coverage. In addition, the EPF’s award winning Retirement Advisory Service (RAS), which aims to empower and equip members with the knowledge and tools to manage their finances in retirement, was expanded to 52 of the EPF’s 68 branches, from 28 branches in 2018. 2: EPF 2019 FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE FOR SIMPANAN KONVENSIONAL The EPF’s overall investment assets stood at RM924.75 billion as of 31 December 2019, of which 37% was invested in the Shariah portfolio and 63% in the Konvensional portfolio. Returns from the entire Konvensional portfolio and part of the Shariah portfolio are attributable to Simpanan Konvensional. For 2019, the EPF reported a gross investment income of RM50.29 billion, with two-thirds coming from stable interest and dividend streams. Of the RM50.29 billion, RM45.82 billion was attributed to Simpanan Konvensional. EPF’s dividend payouts are derived from total gross realised income for the year, after deducting net impairment on financial assets, realised losses from listed equities, unrealised gains or losses from intercompany transactions, investment expenses, operating expenditures, statutory charges as well as dividend on withdrawals. The payout amount required for each 1.00% of the dividend in 2019 for Simpanan Konvensional was RM7.65 billion, compared to RM6.99 billion in 2018. Out of the total investment assets, 49% was allocated to fixed income instruments for capital preservation purposes. The allocation to equities, for capital enhancement purposes, was 39%. Money market instruments for capital preservation and liquidity management comprised 7%, while real estate and infrastructure for capital preservation and capital enhancement purposes made up another 5%. Equities continued to be the main contributor to income at 47%, amounting to RM21.49 billion, compared to RM26.66 billion in 2018. Fixed income instruments provided a measure of income stability in 2019’s volatile environment and as expected, the income from capital gains increased due to lower market yields. Investments in fixed income instruments comprising Malaysian Government Securities & Equivalent and Loans & Bonds, in total contributed 43%, or RM19.60 billion, compared to RM16.64 billion in 2018. Real Estate & Infrastructure contributed RM3.03 billion or 6% to investment income in 2019, while Money Market Instruments contributed RM1.70 billion or 4% to investment income during the year. The EPF’s overseas holdings across all asset classes stood at 30.3% and contributed 41.0% to its gross investment income. External fund managers managed 14.4% of the total funds and contributed 18.3% to income. 3: EPF 2019 FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE FOR SIMPANAN SHARIAH The EPF’s total assets stood at RM924.75 billion as of 31 December 2019, of which the EPF’s overseas holdings across all asset classes and both Shariah and Konvensional portfolios stood at 30.3% and contributed 41.0% to the overall gross investment income. Meanwhile, external fund managers managed 14.4% of the total funds and contributed 18.3% to overall gross investment income. For 2019, the EPF’s gross investment income from its Shariah investments was RM17.88 billion, with a quarter of this attributable to Simpanan Shariah and the remainder attributable to Simpanan Konvensional. The payout amount required for each 1.00% of the dividend in 2019 was RM0.83 billion, compared to RM0.73 billion in 2018. From the total investment assets, 37% was invested in the Shariah portfolio. Out of this portfolio, 47% was allocated to fixed income instruments for capital preservation purposes. The allocation to equities for capital enhancement purposes was 42%. Money market instruments for capital preservation and liquidity management comprised 8% while real estate and infrastructure for capital preservation and capital enhancement purposes, made up another 3%. As 2019 was a good year for shariah fixed income instruments, which provide a measure of income stability in a volatile environment, its income from capital gains increased due to lower yields. Investment income for Simpanan Shariah in fixed income instruments comprising Malaysian Government Securities & Equivalent and Loans & Bonds, in total contributed 47%, or RM2.10 billion, compared to RM1.75 billion in 2018. For the year under review, Equities contributed 45% to the Simpanan Shariah investment income amounting to RM1.99 billion compared to RM2.63 billion in 2018. Money Market Instruments contributed RM0.24 billion or 5% in Simpanan Shariah investment income in 2019, while Real Estate & Infrastructure contributed RM0.14 billion or 3% to Simpanan Shariah investment income during the year. |
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After knowing the 2019 % figure, curious to know the relationship between the announcement dates and the % figures, if any. So decided to do a t-test. Results as below.
By no means is this 100% conclusive. Only an indication from one angle. Population size is small with only 14 sets of data. Limitations in t-test, statistics, interpretation, etc. "The lower the P value, the lower the error rate. For example, a P value near 0.05 has an error rate of 25-50%. However, a P value of 0.0027 corresponds to an error rate of at least 4.5%, which is close to the rate that many mistakenly attribute to a P value of 0.05." There are other more powerful statistics methods to analyse this. Would like to see and learn from others here. Sharing here for those who are into numbers. Cheerio. |
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Feb 22 2020, 03:56 PM) After knowing the 2019 % figure, curious to know the relationship between the announcement dates and the % figures, if any. So decided to do a t-test. Results as below. :confused: . Really nice effort, but I think your talent and time better spent elsewhereBy no means is this 100% conclusive. Only an indication from one angle. Population size is small with only 14 sets of data. Limitations in t-test, statistics, interpretation, etc. "The lower the P value, the lower the error rate. For example, a P value near 0.05 has an error rate of 25-50%. However, a P value of 0.0027 corresponds to an error rate of at least 4.5%, which is close to the rate that many mistakenly attribute to a P value of 0.05." There are other more powerful statistics methods to analyse this. Would like to see and learn from others here. Sharing here for those who are into numbers. Cheerio. |
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QUOTE(TheEquatorian @ Feb 22 2020, 01:55 PM) ”Lowest EPF dividend since 2008 - 5.45% for conventional savings, 5% for syariah” I'm on shariah plan, why its lower ?https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020...e-5-for-syariah |
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