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Havoc Knightmare
post Feb 18 2017, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(kwwong99 @ Feb 18 2017, 08:52 PM)
Disappointing rate despite a higher income of 46.6B in 2016 vs 44.2 in 2015.
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You can't just look at absolute numbers because the dividend payout is relative. EPF holders account balance has increased by a larger percentage than income did. The 46.6B has to be divided over a larger base for 2016 as compared to 44.2B in 2015.
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post Feb 18 2017, 09:02 PM

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Kinda disappointed with the rate..
Was hoping higher rate blush.gif

This post has been edited by nexona88: Feb 18 2017, 09:03 PM
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post Feb 18 2017, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Feb 18 2017, 08:59 PM)
You can't just look at absolute numbers because the dividend payout is relative. EPF holders account balance has increased by a larger percentage than income did. The 46.6B has to be divided over a larger base for 2016 as compared to 44.2B in 2015.
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True, the 2015 payout was 38.2B over 44.2B whereas this year 2016 payout is only 37.1B over 46.6B. Relatively the payout is much lower.

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Disappointed...haizzz...
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post Feb 18 2017, 09:18 PM

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By right, the rate should be 6.15% to 6.20% when comparing income in 2015 over 2016.
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post Feb 18 2017, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(kwwong99 @ Feb 18 2017, 09:18 PM)
By right, the rate should be 6.15% to 6.20% when comparing income in 2015 over 2016.
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The only way to know if they are paying out all their income is to look at their reserves in their balance sheet. Sometimes they hold back from declaring all the income as dividends to keep some as reserves. Which will be used to maintain the dividend rate in bad years.

On the other hand you have some other government institutions who over declare dividends relative to income to the point where they become insolvent.
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post Feb 18 2017, 09:31 PM

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"The dividend payout for 2016 is higher than the payout amount in 2014 even though the dividend rate declared in 2014 was higher at 6.75 per cent. This is following the payout amount required for one (1) per cent dividend in 2016 was RM6.51 billion, higher compared with RM5.43 billion in 2014. The payout amount required for every one (1) per cent dividend rate has been growing at 9.5 per cent annually since 2001 in tandem with the growth of members’ savings balance for the same period."
- TS Samsudin

This is a misleading statement from TS Samsudin when comparing 2016 against 2014. He should compare 2016 with 2015.




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post Feb 18 2017, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Feb 18 2017, 09:25 PM)
The only way to know if they are paying out all their income is to look at their reserves in their balance sheet. Sometimes they hold back from declaring all the income as dividends to keep some as reserves. Which will be used to maintain the dividend rate in bad years.

On the other hand you have some other government institutions who over declare dividends relative to income to the point where they become insolvent.
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6B reserve in 2015 over 9.5B reserve in 2016. Don't you think this is too much? And the reserves use for what? It's our money - not theirs. Cannot be OPEX, right?
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post Feb 18 2017, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(kwwong99 @ Feb 18 2017, 09:37 PM)
6B reserve in 2015 over 9.5B reserve in 2016. Don't you think this is too much? And the reserves use for what? It's our money - not theirs. Cannot be OPEX, right?
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It's not much. Consider if suddenly the stock market crashes this year and Income drops sharply, to say 10-20 B from 40+ at present. 9.5B will be hardly enough to cushion this drop. As for OPEX, its usually deducted against Income generated, just like unit trust. So the 46.6B is already net of their OPEX tongue.gif
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EPF declares commendable 5.7pct dividend for 2016, total payout RM37.08bil

Read More : http://www.nst.com.my/news/2017/02/213580/...ayout-rm3708bil

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KUALA LUMPUR: The Employees Provident Fund (EPF) has declared a 5.7 per cent dividend for 2016, with the total payout amounting to RM37.08 billion, a commendable achievement in view of the much tougher market environment. Its chairman Tan Sri Samsudin Osman said the EPF is pleased it has been able to consistently exceed its two strategic investment targets of at least 2.5 per cent nominal dividend on a yearly basis and at least 2.0 per cent real dividend on a rolling three-year basis. "As a retirement savings fund, the EPF always emphasises on sustainability of returns over the long term horizon as opposed to short term gains. "This is a commendable achievement in view of the much tougher market environment. For 2016, the rolling three-year real dividend was 3.83 per cent, 183 basis points above the target," he added, in a statement here today. During the year, the EPF faced a challenging investment climate due to unsettling events such as Brexit and the US Presidential elections. In retrospect, the EPF was operating on the back of slower global growth while navigating between changes in the monetary policies in major economies, the slump in crude oil prices, weaker domestic currency, and large-scale outflow of capital from emerging market economies to developed economies and safe haven currencies, said Samsudin. "As the majority of the world markets declined at the beginning of the year, the EPF’s performance was also affected. However, we ramped up our profit-taking activities in the second quarter (Q2 2016) onwards to ensure that we met our strategic targets," he added. The dividend payout for 2016 is higher than the payout amount in 2014 even though the dividend rate declared then was higher at 6.75 per cent. Samsudin said the payout amount required for one per cent dividend in 2016 was RM6.51 billion, higher compared with RM5.43 billion in 2014. The payout amount required for every one per cent dividend rate has been growing at 9.5 per cent annually since 2001 in tandem with the growth of members’ savings balance for the same period. "It is worth mentioning that after the 2008 global financial crisis, the EPF had distributed RM236.07 billion in dividend to its members," Samsudin said. The dividend payout was derived from total realised income after deducting the net impairment on financial assets, unrealised losses due to foreign exchange rate and derivative prices, investment expenses, operating expenditures, statutory charges as well as dividend on withdrawals. Commenting on the economic climate in 2017, Samsudin said market volatility remains a concern as the real implications of Brexit and clear policy direction from the Trump-led administration have yet to unfold. "Our diversification strategy has proved to serve us well throughout the years, especially during difficult times. "Moving forward we will continue to increase our exposure to alternative investment, particularly in Real Estate and Infrastructure, in line with our objective as a longterm investor to provide consistent returns for our members. "This asset class also serves as a natural hedge against inflation," he said. Beginning 2017, the EPF’s performance results will be broken down by Conventional Savings and Shariah Savings for the quarterly and annual results announcement. As at Dec 23, 2016, a total of 635,037 members had switched to Shariah Savings with RM59.03 billion of the initial RM100 billion fund allocation taken up. Members can check their EPF account statement for the crediting of the 2016 dividend starting Feb 19, 2017, through i-Akaun via the myEPF website at www.kwsp.gov.my. Alternatively, members can also obtain their statement at EPF kiosks or visit any EPF branches nationwide. - BERNAMA


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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 18 2017, 09:52 PM)
EPF Declares 5.70 Per Cent Dividend For 2016

URL: http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/en/news-list...DetailPage=true
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QUOTE(kwwong99 @ Feb 18 2017, 10:37 PM)
6B reserve in 2015 over 9.5B reserve in 2016. Don't you think this is too much? And the reserves use for what? It's our money - not theirs. Cannot be OPEX, right?
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that is how they play our money. mad.gif mad.gif
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QUOTE(NyOx @ Feb 18 2017, 09:59 PM)
shitla. kata ekonomi kdnk above 4%. the hell la..
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Bail out jibby and co
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post Feb 18 2017, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Feb 18 2017, 09:48 PM)
It's not much. Consider if suddenly the stock market crashes this year and Income drops sharply, to say 10-20 B from 40+ at present. 9.5B will be hardly enough to cushion this drop. As for OPEX, its usually deducted against Income generated, just like unit trust. So the 46.6B is already net of their OPEX  tongue.gif
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Reserves to curtain shock is understandable. 9.5B is just for 2016 and about 20% of this year income. Then 6B for 2015 or 13.6%. Surely, when you add up these 2 years we have 15.5B. Adding the last 20 years should be even more. Possibly exceed 100B. Does EPF need to set aside so much?
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post Feb 18 2017, 10:03 PM

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Hi all, I withdraw all of my account 2 money before the dividend 2016 declared... am I still entitled for the 5.7% dividends, or zero return I got for all the money I withdraw from kwsp account 2. sad.gif
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Feb 18 2017, 11:03 PM)
Hi all, I withdraw all of my account 2 money before the dividend 2016 declared... am I still entitled for the 5.7% dividends, or zero return I got for all the money I withdraw from kwsp account 2. sad.gif
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when did you withdraw?
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QUOTE(kwwong99 @ Feb 18 2017, 10:02 PM)
Reserves to curtain shock is understandable. 9.5B is just for 2016 and about 20% of this year income. Then 6B for 2015 or 13.6%. Surely, when you add up these 2 years we have 15.5B. Adding the last 20 years should be even more. Possibly exceed 100B. Does EPF need to set aside so much?
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It's kept so that we will still have dividends during years like 2008-9 when the stock market drops like 50%. Do you think EPF actually generates positive income in those years? Whatever dividends that they give you then will come from this reserve. If they don't you guys will be screaming bloody murder.

On another note, it's annoying to see everyone complaining bout the lower dividend rate here. The KLCI ended the year lower last year and economy is growing at the slowest rate in recent years, the lower dividend rate should not be a surprise to anyone.
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QUOTE(NyOx @ Feb 18 2017, 10:05 PM)
when did you withdraw?
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February, they bank in my money few days ago.. sad.gif
Am I not entitled for the dividends?
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post Feb 18 2017, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Feb 18 2017, 10:09 PM)
February, they bank in my money few days ago.. sad.gif
Am I not entitled for the dividends?
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You should be entitled. Because the dividends are based on your average throughout 2016, not as of this year.

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