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kochin
post May 28 2020, 02:29 PM

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top up is only via cheque/cash (not more than RM500)/ bank draft?
Any other methods?

and how does one change/update their correspondence address with epf?

thanks.
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post May 28 2020, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ May 28 2020, 02:35 PM)
Topup cannot do online?

Correspondence address can be updated in iAkaun:
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thanks.
just did it through my mobile phone via the app.
so convenient unlike banks.

thanks again.

now to figure out the top up contribution besides physically attending the branches
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post Jan 29 2021, 10:15 AM

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was there a report of total withdrawals to date due to the i-sinar?

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post Jan 29 2021, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jan 29 2021, 10:17 AM)
thanks.
since the payout commenced from 5th Jan 2021, it will not affect the calculations of dividend entitlement for 2020.
but it will be interesting to note such a huge withdrawal for the first time.

will it improve potential payout for EPF in 2021?
but then again RM10bil out of their total sum is still pretty small.
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post Mar 2 2021, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 2 2021, 11:29 AM)
If one does not like EPF returns in the event of tiered dividend no need to max out RM60k/year.

Divert the RM60k elsewhere. So many place giving way better return than EPF if one only need to look and take the time to learn.
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boss, in your opinion, what other investment do you recommend that beats epf returns with equitable risk?
epf is almost risk free but let's just ignore this for now.
what are the alternatives that gives good return with low risk?

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post Jun 8 2021, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 8 2021, 01:27 PM)
https://www.kwsp.gov.my/-/epf-records-healt...ome-for-q1-2021
EPF RECORDS HEALTHY RETURNS OF RM19.29 BILLION IN GROSS INVESTMENT INCOME FOR Q1 2021
KUALA LUMPUR, 8 June 2021: The Employees Provident Fund (EPF) recorded a gross investment income of RM19.29 billion for the first quarter ended 31 March 2021, despite the continued uncertainties from the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.

Equities registered RM14.28 billion in income during the quarter, accounting for 74% of total gross investment income, while Fixed Income instruments continued to contribute a stable income of RM3.92 billion. Income from Real Estate and Infrastructure, as well as Money Market instruments, came in at RM0.71 billion and RM0.38 billion respectively.

After the cost write-down on listed equities, which is a prudent measure practiced by the EPF to ensure that its long-term investment portfolio remains healthy, the fund recorded a net investment income of RM19.24 billion.

EPF Chief Executive Officer, Datuk Seri Amir Hamzah Azizan, said: “EPF’s solid performance for the first quarter was a spillover from the global economic recovery that began in the second-half of last year. We believe that the vaccination rollouts as well as supportive fiscal and monetary policies worldwide will play a key role in facilitating economic activities and growth.”

“The inflationary concerns did not derail the positive trend in the equity markets, and we took advantage of the opportunity to reposition our holdings in stocks that are fundamentally strong but undervalued,” he added.

EPF’s investment assets stood at RM981.71 billion as at end March 2021, of which 36% was invested overseas. The diversification in different asset classes, markets, and currencies continues to provide income stability and added value to the fund’s overall returns. During the first quarter, the EPF’s overseas investments generated an income of RM11.15 billion, or 58% of the total gross investment income recorded, mainly driven by foreign equities.

By asset class, Fixed Income instruments made up 46% of investments while Equities comprised 44%. Money Market instruments and Real Estate and Infrastructure made up 4% and 6% respectively of investments. The portfolio reflects the EPF’s diversification strategy to optimise returns within tolerable risk limits as guided by the Strategic Asset Allocation (SAA), which has proven to be resilient in the face of any challenging market environment, especially during the COVID-19 pandemic crisis.

Recognising the challenges faced by members during the pandemic, the EPF’s i-Sinar and i-Lestari facilities were introduced to allow affected members to make withdrawals that would help provide some measure of financial relief. To date, a total of RM57.97 billion of i-Sinar withdrawals have been approved for 6.49 million applicants, out of which RM50.93 billion have been disbursed, while RM20.80 billion has been paid out to 5.27 million members under the i-Lestari facility.

Datuk Seri Amir said, “Our disciplined investment approach and robust liquidity management guided by the SAA has been successful in minimising the impact of the substantial disbursements on the EPF’s portfolio, allowing it to sustain a steady performance in these trying times. This reflects the fund’s commitment to safeguarding our members’ retirement savings by preserving and enhancing the value of those savings, while ensuring that their short-term needs are met without compromising their long-term interests.”

“While the EPF remains cautious for the coming quarter, given the downside risks of the new highly transmissible COVID-19 variants, we assure members that we continuously take the necessary measures to protect members' savings, supported by our strong governance framework, as we strive to meet our mandate and strategic targets of providing members with a sustainable retirement.”
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i would like to say it's remarkable but it's still an understatement.

12bil vs 19bil.
so can if on current trajectory can we expect a bumper harvest for 2021?
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post Jun 8 2021, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 8 2021, 02:29 PM)
What was the Q4 2020? I tried to search but could not find it.
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https://www.kwsp.gov.my/-/epf-q1-2020-recor...vestment-income

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post Jun 8 2021, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 8 2021, 02:56 PM)
So 60.98-17.33-15.12-12.16=16.370bil.

So, it's 19.29 from 16.37. Encouraging.
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i think what is more encouraging is the fact that this return should be based on less equity in hand as withdrawals have started since?

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post Jun 30 2021, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Jun 29 2021, 12:51 AM)
20% of Serbadk is holding by EPF and iinm they have it selling it down to less than 10%

Question is now that they after selling they have bought into banks, gloves and several dividend paying counters recently

The only question will Q2 performance will impact this year by a time least -1 to -1.5% as i can foresee dividends this year will be even as low as 3.5% unless CTOS divestments made paring down the losses

Also REITs and disposals of real estate has yet made into the books so look into Q3 performance you will see the recovery by the markets
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hhhmmm...
i think epf is doing tremendously well of recent.
the serbaD setback shouldn't be too disastrous. afterall no guarantees in investment. win some lose some. they just need to win more than they lose. again, portfolio consideration, it's only ?% of their entire holding?

based on the Q results announced recently, i am cautiously optimistic that next year divvy will be great. the allowance for withdrawal gives edp the opportunity to shed some unwanted fats (excess fund in their account).


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post Sep 24 2021, 10:14 PM

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Judging from this report card, can we dare hope that next year dividend announcement will be much better than this year?

Honestly it’s very impressive. Higher return compared to last year and taking into account reduction of RM60+ bil due to withdrawal from I-sinar or citra.

Just hope they can sustain the momentum going into 2nd half of the year

Go go go
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post Dec 1 2021, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 18 2021, 02:27 PM)
Govt had been mentioning that a very high % of contributors has little savings in EPF....
if they are sincere and serious in "helping",...then 6% is possible....
but then it also has to depends "if" the inside still has surplus money inside or not.  innocent.gif
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https://ipaper.thesundaily.my/epaper/viewer...%20Daily#page/2

with 73% contributors below the poverty line and only 3% meets the criteria of RM240k by 55 years old, has EPF as a whole failed?


https://www.kwsp.gov.my/about-epf/corporate...ation-structure
if there are RM800b with 14mil members, that's averaging RM57k per member. that doesn't seems too bad right?

but recent reports actually suggest that they have close to RM1tril
https://www.kwsp.gov.my/annualreport2019/index-en.html


and pls take note active members are only about half of the total members:
https://www.kwsp.gov.my/member/overview


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post Dec 1 2021, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(MNF0 @ Dec 1 2021, 12:41 PM)
The inactive ones normally those who are doing their own small business like keropok, goreng pisang, kuih etc and never bother to even pay taxes. Don't let them fools you, their daily net income are in the hundreds, at least. How do i know, some of my school friends doing these sort of small businesses and even proudly boasting on how they have never really pay any taxes.
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the inactive ones are those that may have worked previously but then became entrepreneurs themselves and stop receiving monthly salaries.
it also includes those that have retired and no longer have active monthly contributions.

anyhow the inactive ones are a staggering 7mil members nevertheless but it will be interesting to know the ratio of how the nearly RM1trillion is split between these two groups.

qfyi, my intention of stating the statistics have nothing with regards to the individual's income or their tax planning.

many of my high income friends dabble in biz and also do not declare themselves any salaries but merely yearly dividends
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post Jan 9 2022, 12:30 PM

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saliva dripping out if it's true that it's 7-8%.
generally if EPF indeed manage to hit such figure, they should declare it as such rather than keeping it for rainy days.
they are not a profit organisation and as such shouldn't even be keeping it for rainy days.
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post Jan 12 2022, 01:04 PM

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https://ipaper.thesundaily.my/epaper/viewer...20Daily#page/18

more or less same news as what others has shared.

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post Sep 29 2022, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Sep 24 2022, 07:43 PM)
Btw, regarding 1mil saving and having 4-5% dividen yearly, one thing to remind, you are not using that 4-5% forever. When you are reaching, let's say 65 years old, you might start to make use of the dividen + some of the 1mil saving already, you won't be living till you are leaving this world and still don't touch that 1mil saving. And i believe, when you are getting older, you won't be still spending big amount of money into things that you usually would spend, examples, foods, traveling, etc due to health related issue.

1mil definitely can retire now, it just depends on your living style and whether you still have other commitments or not. Personally, i am aiming to be retired before 46 and have at least 4mil in saving and expecting averagely yearly 4% interest / dividends, at 13k per month to use. Once i reach 65, i will go all wild with the money and expect i will leave this world at 75 or max 85.
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i did a spreadsheet and here's my findings:
Age Year EPF Amount (RM) Dividend (%) Dividend (RM) Withdrawal (RM) Inflation (%) Revised Balance (RM)
55 1 1,000,000.00 5% 50,000.00 60,000.00 3.0% 990,000.00
56 2 990,000.00 5% 49,500.00 61,800.00 3.0% 977,700.00
57 3 977,700.00 5% 48,885.00 63,654.00 3.0% 962,931.00
58 4 962,931.00 5% 48,146.55 65,563.62 3.0% 945,513.93
59 5 945,513.93 5% 47,275.70 67,530.53 3.0% 925,259.10
60 6 925,259.10 5% 46,262.95 69,556.44 3.0% 901,965.61
61 7 901,965.61 5% 45,098.28 71,643.14 3.0% 875,420.75
62 8 875,420.75 5% 43,771.04 73,792.43 3.0% 845,399.36
63 9 845,399.36 5% 42,269.97 76,006.20 3.0% 811,663.12
64 10 811,663.12 5% 40,583.16 78,286.39 3.0% 773,959.88
65 11 773,959.88 5% 38,697.99 80,634.98 3.0% 732,022.90
66 12 732,022.90 5% 36,601.14 83,054.03 3.0% 685,570.01
67 13 685,570.01 5% 34,278.50 85,545.65 3.0% 634,302.86
68 14 634,302.86 5% 31,715.14 88,112.02 3.0% 577,905.98
69 15 577,905.98 5% 28,895.30 90,755.38 3.0% 516,045.89
70 16 516,045.89 5% 25,802.29 93,478.04 3.0% 448,370.14
71 17 448,370.14 5% 22,418.51 96,282.39 3.0% 374,506.26
72 18 374,506.26 5% 18,725.31 99,170.86 3.0% 294,060.72
73 19 294,060.72 5% 14,703.04 102,145.98 3.0% 206,617.77
74 20 206,617.77 5% 10,330.89 105,210.36 3.0% 111,738.29

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Sep 29 2022, 04:41 PM)
Actually i did something similar to this spreadsheet to calculate how my retirement funds stands during certain ages....

but i found something incorrect for stagnant withrawal, when we're older, i dun think the consumption of funds will be stagnant with the initial sum (RM1 mil x 5% = RM 50k present values)... When we're older, we probably use less money and gradually the withdrawal sum will be lowered...

example average Normal Age 70 ppl as of today with 516k balance (based on this table), would they need to spend RM50k annually or RM 4.16k per month? At least for my parent at this age averagely spent less than RM3k
for 2 pax, and they're still serving a Perodua Alza of RM 800 per month...withdrawal of RM 93k equivalent to RM 7.75k per month, unless you dun have any medical insurance then.........
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But I do notice inflation is creeping up pretty steep these last few years.
Ie for last 10 years can settle for meal under rm10 including drink.
This year chicken rice already rm8. Chinese tea also rm1-2. Jialat.

But when I played around with the spreadsheet, I notice a delayed gratification of just 5 years allow the principal to grow very significantly if we don’t touch it the first 5 years
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post Oct 10 2022, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 8 2022, 12:21 AM)
laugh.gif ... go check epf div vs fd for last 20 yrs lor... then make informed decisions... you had plenty of time to answer... wink.gif
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Year EPF FD
2021 6.10% 3.06%
2020 5.20% 3.46%
2019 5.45% 4.48%
2018 6.15% 4.64%
2017 6.90% 4.42%
2016 5.70% 4.53%
2015 6.40% 4.63%
2014 6.75% 4.55%
2013 6.35% 4.47%
2012 6.15% 4.48%

source

FD based on 1.5% + deposit rates:
https://tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/depos...ent%20in%202021.


EPF rates based on:
https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/personal-fi...dend-rates.html

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post Mar 4 2023, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(magika @ Mar 4 2023, 01:33 PM)
2022 earnings almost same as 2021 so slightly better dividend ? Must have seen wrongly could be fund size
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fund size almost same despite RM40+bil withdrawal
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post Jun 7 2023, 01:52 PM

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https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1906309/uem...and-kelana-jaya

will this enhance payout for next year?
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post Mar 8 2024, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 8 2024, 07:44 AM)
Very important is  not to withdraw. Many ppl will withdraw acc 2 for housing.

I hit RM1m in early 40s I think. Now at RM2.5m at 50.

Minimal voluntary contribution.
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QUOTE(lock_82 @ Mar 8 2024, 08:22 AM)
It is power from saving over time. Then again many run business and wont park money in epf, as it can trace back their income source.

At 5% dividend alone would net you 125k dividend, in turn rm10k+ per mth.  You can definitely retire now given no high vakue debts..

Totally envy.  I am early 40s at similar pace and hope i can get there at 50 too.
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power of savings indeed.
it does get a lot easier once the pot in epf becomes sizeable.
once one hits the magical 1m mark, even the self divvy alone at 5% will guarantee the pot to continue to grow by 50k p.a.

kudos to both of you.

to cubalagi, may i ask what motivates you to continue in your work since the 2.5m is more than sufficient to sustain?

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