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danmooncake
post Oct 25 2015, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(fatw3apon @ Oct 25 2015, 09:58 PM)
Thanks for all the reply, I will call EPF to re-confirm. My target is to put in about 10k per year smile.gif
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Don't forget to give us an update what you've find out. Is it 60k max (total) or 60k per individual own contribution (not counting employer's part - as per magika).

I think it is 60k total if I read the ruling correctly but I could be wrong too. hmm.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 25 2015, 10:17 PM)
laugh.gif Jibby says Thank You  tongue.gif  biggrin.gif
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I'm not investing in any of Jibby's cronies project and I make sure I can pull out if I wanted to.. laugh.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 25 2015, 10:26 PM)
danmooncake,

1) Are you the same person that put 60K per year into EPF??

2) Are you 55 years old yet??

3) Are you the same person that bought a property in Iskandar project??

If you say yes to (1) to (3), please tell us how are (1) to (3) consistent with your statement that.

A) I'm not investing in any of Jibby's cronies project.

and

B) I make sure I can pull out if I wanted to..

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Yes for (1) and (3) but for (3) not directly. My partner and I got a business investment that involves a property purchase and I had a contractual clause for pulling out if certain conditions aren't met.

If you are trying to say that Jibby may got its dirty hands dirty into using EPF monies anyway,...
I don't consider that my direct exposure. That's EPF decision. All I care is consistent divi payout every year and if something really goes south, I'll pull out my "leaving the country" card to get EPF money out if hasn't reach qualified distribution age by then.


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post Oct 26 2015, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(fatw3apon @ Oct 26 2015, 06:16 PM)
I called epf today and confirmed (assuming the lady that pick up the call is correct) no top-up is allowed for employee. The 60k is only allowed to top up if you do not contributing any epf. She suggest me to increase my salary contribution rate if I want to contribute more, the max is 100% of your salary smile.gif.
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I think you may want to double check on the part that says "100%" of your salary.
If you're already earning more than 60K/year, I sure they won't allow you to max it out that way.


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post Feb 25 2017, 01:08 PM

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Somewhere between 5% to 6% on average over lifetime.. cukup-lah! biggrin.gif
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post Feb 27 2017, 06:22 AM

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QUOTE(jorgsacul @ Feb 26 2017, 06:12 PM)
Can go higher if ringgit devalue more...
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Sure.. only if Msia "overseas" investment is substantial enough to earn a lot more
and the ringgit devalues further against the foreign currencies, then surely it will translate into higher
earnings when converted back into Ringgit.

But, then again. It can go both ways. If Ringgit appreciates again, earnings from abroad will be lesser..
thus, don't be mad if dividends will go lower.

Here's the thing a lot of people don't realised. There is a MANDATORY requirement, at minimum,
dividends at 2% is GUARANTEED. This is regardless of EPF making money or not.
EPF could potentially run into problem (with negative revenue) if there is a severe world wide recession that runs multiple years. So far, EPF is very lucky, none of them has happened.





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post Feb 27 2021, 01:10 PM

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Actually, it's isn't bad since EPF invest in mostly fixed income, MGS and local stocks. Considering, BNM had 75 bps cut last year.
There is simply not possible to extract any more revenue from these areas without exposing itself to more risks.

Also, min. guarantee 2.5% whether they lost or win. 2.5% is higher than most banks FD now.
Simply no where else to go for people who wants guarantee safe investments.


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post Dec 30 2023, 03:38 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 27 2023, 09:41 AM)
My take on the increase in voluntary contribution to 100k. It's not a good sign.
As you mentioned, the fund is already too big for the local market with respect to the allowable foreign invetsment.

One reason that the government needs to do this as they force EPF to up their % locally, is to take up more debt issues from the government. i think we will see EPF's purchase of Msian bonds increase in teh coming years.

National budget expense is rocketing, someone needs to buy those bonds. EPF.
The bond market will increase substantially. No choice due to the budget deficits/expenditure.
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Somehow, Msia govt able to sell and pay those bonds and EPF keeps buying them and earning them fixed rate (~4%)/year.
This allow EPF to secure at minimum 4% returns to members plus whatever earnings they can get from other investments.

If the EPF members can contribute up to 100k/year, it's actually good for them, isn't it?

The recent article on 'retirement ticking time bomb' is a huge concern and with more than half of EPF members age50-55 has less than RM10K in their EPF.

Hopefully, the EPF members able to take advantage and save even more for their retirement in the future.

This post has been edited by danmooncake: Dec 30 2023, 03:40 AM

 

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