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EPF DIVIDEND, EPF
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batman1172
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Apr 10 2023, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Apr 10 2023, 06:36 PM) 200/150/21 I don't think is the right way to calculate.... nonetheless, maybe this is the arithmetic annual returns I guess... overstates the return way too much. even the formula (350/150)^(1/21) is not right, because deployment of cash is not a bullet at start. by right need to layout all the cashflow and find the discount rate/compound rate to make your entire cashflow after multiplied with the compound rate to sum up to 350K rm. your returns is most probably between 6.3% and 4.1% ( = (350/150^(1/21) ) I forgot to mention that my tenant pays for monthly installment. so how to calculate return% be grateful if someone can help
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batman1172
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Apr 11 2023, 12:30 PM
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bank run?
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batman1172
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Apr 11 2023, 04:52 PM
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"This sum of RM50,000 can only provide a retirement income of around RM208 per month for a period of 20 years," is this a mistake. inflation 0% ?
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batman1172
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Apr 12 2023, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Apr 12 2023, 04:01 PM) Just change the employee salary contribution to a higher %. This option has always been there. Changing the self contribution limit will just add noise to the whole political arena and serves no purpose. Also very hard to justify... someone who can have excess 200K rm consistently every year is not the target market of EPF to help... (personally, I also prefer unlimited amount, but reality in Malaysia doesn't allow such limit) True the option to increase % of contribution is available but only 1 person used it that I hear of during my 25 year career. My sample size is about 200 heads. In fact, during covid, I have 50-60% of people choose to reduce %. Most of those who choose to reduce are below the RM3k per month salary. The poor get poorer unfortunately. I think the idea of putting more money into EPF is not good. One should diversify investments and learn to do that from an early age especially how to buy assets that appreciate.
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batman1172
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Apr 12 2023, 04:47 PM
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HR just need to key in your epf contrib rate in payroll one time. that's it.
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batman1172
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Apr 12 2023, 06:04 PM
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problem is epf can only pay dividend up to 100yo. After that how?
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batman1172
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Apr 13 2023, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 13 2023, 10:39 AM) Bro, share share how you plan for the more rewarding stuff can? I'm old school. Will buy landed properties which can generate income then hold it long term. Your return on capital employed can be 10% or more due to ability to leverage via bank loan. my ROCE is 30% for assets bought 20+ years ago. Capital gain is paper only so not going to count that. But should also diversify into equity, newer things like p2p financing, and keep 1-2% of your portfolio in high risk crypto and money game
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batman1172
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Apr 13 2023, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 13 2023, 12:55 PM) Inflation is low by global standards 🤦♀️ Malaysians inflation seems highs is not because inflation numbers but the systematic of stagnating and low wages in this country coupled with high subsidies that the country loves July have to start elections while BNM cannot hike by year end because global recession is coming Q3 🤦♀️ Subsidies removal good remove all them and let the rich pay more and then targetted subsidies instead now blanket subsidies which a lot taken for granted 🤦♀️ Removing subsidies takes a lot of political will. Besides that I think it might cause inflation. I'll just increase my selling price when, say, petrol subsidies is removed. Easy fix..
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batman1172
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Apr 14 2023, 03:41 PM
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Agree with Rinth. @virtualgay you need to work out how much you need to retire assuming zero debt. If you have debt, you cannot retire. 70% of your current salary is a ball park figure. Work out line by line. Most people will end up 2x minimum wage without holidays....
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batman1172
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Apr 15 2023, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Apr 15 2023, 09:07 AM) This is a very interesting thread from EPF dividend to how to navigate life using EPF Just curious those who are on KWAP or pension model if let is just say their last drawn salary is 10k then when they retire how much monthly will they get and until when will they get? Really curious why not all on EPF which is a fair game vs KWAP where it is funded by Gov... my dad get 60% of last drawn salary as pension. got increment and bonus also. that's the best part.
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batman1172
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Apr 15 2023, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 15 2023, 07:41 AM) 3mil in 2041 is about 1.25 mil today @ 5% inflation you can withdraw 8.3k per month in todays money for 20yrs @ 5% div more than enough i think  average age is approx 85 off my head. so savings need to last 30 years from retirement age. better to withdrawl less than epf dividend and let it continue to compound due to inflation. Once older might need care if not mobile. cost will go up. will need more of live until 100
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batman1172
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Apr 18 2023, 08:12 AM
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QUOTE(PueRTeaA @ Apr 18 2023, 07:43 AM) https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...pf-withdrawals/“I need my retirement money to rebuild my life. For instance, I can drive a Grab car but I have no capital. I will use the money to rebuild my life, not to spend it on luxuries,” he said. The second guy also mention car is important to generate income. For those who think car is depreciate item, please think again!!!  Perhaps a better way is to evaluate each withdrawl on a case by case basis. Probably will be hard to regulate. Value of a Car still depreciates although it can generate income. House can generate income but appreciates. Crypto is more of a headahe.
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batman1172
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Apr 19 2023, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Apr 19 2023, 02:34 PM) I meant sokong MBSB spiritually. 🤣 MBSB isn't know for its great management. look at its share price. 60 sen already. but hey that's a good price. another SVB?
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batman1172
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May 2 2023, 10:53 AM
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Just saw the new employer contrib 20% soon. EPF no money?
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batman1172
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May 2 2023, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 2 2023, 12:09 PM) that is why the old phrase "fake news" became so popular... It is kinda funny to think that the majority of those that this "20% EPF by employers" will help, actually will be happy with this initiative. If the employers can and/or willing to give extra 7%, they would have already done so and would have given it in terms of salary. Then these B40 and M40 people will be much happier. They already kept on making noise about wanting to withdraw from EPF. Can see cannot touch also no point lar. BTW: 4K salary per month is clearly inside the M40 domain. Thinking forward, I would not give 3-4% salary increase for 2 years cause have to pay for for EPF. maybe make it 0.5%-1% increase. otherwise I have to increase price. headache.
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batman1172
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May 3 2023, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(Rinth @ May 3 2023, 02:14 PM) indeed.....your spending during retirement period definitely will scale down by alot.....especially for your F & B which normally eat a big chunk of it now.... I know family members 70+ got money can't eat, got car can't drive, holiday can't go and that's assuming still mobile. I think the biggest expense is requiring care but this is hard to forecast
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batman1172
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May 5 2023, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(exwuliao @ May 5 2023, 11:27 AM) Still got another 20 years to go.. but should start already to reach 1M club quicker haha 20 years to go means you're young. You should be able to calculate if you can hit 1m by 55. if yes then let it grow itself and invest somewhere. by 55, you want to have 1m in EPF, 1m in non liquid freehold properties, and 1m other more assets and other currency basically EPF rules can change like someone mention above. also better learn invest from young. don't be like me... age 50 only figure out got such thing as stock market. too late.
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batman1172
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May 6 2023, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(Super2047 @ May 5 2023, 06:07 PM) Few things cannot touch in stock market, the risk is beyond many can take : 1. Margin trading 2. Contra trading 3. Buying derivatives products such warrant, futures If you refrain yourself from the above, you can avoid many disaster. What is this. Where can I buy?
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batman1172
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May 6 2023, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 6 2023, 08:43 AM) Just bear in mind: Rm1mil in 20 years is worth only Rm450k in present value. at 4% inflation rate. True. I always ask young people to invest in oneself. If one cannot make Rm10-15k at age of 30 then seriously something wrong. At that level retirement is ensured if don’t touch epf. Better still earn in SGD spend in MYR.
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batman1172
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May 9 2023, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ May 9 2023, 11:41 AM) Lai Lai tikam next year dividend!! I tikam it CANNOT BE LOWER than last year. 😂 4.9% since now invest more in malaysia less in oversea
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