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SUSsupersound
post Apr 6 2016, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(kinggerrard @ Apr 6 2016, 10:38 AM)
I don't think there are many people working in Sg can save SGD1000 every month. Don't forget recently they have just gained the fame as the most expensive city in the world.

If you're talking about food maybe yes.. Working there as a middle class isn't easy at all same as here. Look at the accommodation they're paying for only HDB flat (forget about private housing in Sg!).. the car comes with the hefty cost of COE.. no doubt in term of GDP as promoted by PAP is one of the richest countries in the world but if you have zoomed into the actual individual income, it is not the figure translated by GDP. Due to the sky high living cost in Sg, not many people could save $1k net every month. All of them are fighting for survival. This is no.2 of HK!
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Did the SG government point a gun to your head and ask you to buy a scrap metal?
My friend that working in SG as waste water treatment plant operator are getting SGD1000 a month from SGD2500 pay. Stay in a room for SGD300, food and transport SGD900.
When I first time work in Qatar, 90% of the income turn to savings.
If you know how to set target, sure you can make it. A rm1.80 all the time are way healthier(to you and your wallet's health) than a rm20 chemical coffee.
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post Apr 6 2016, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(kinggerrard @ Apr 6 2016, 10:38 AM)
I don't think there are many people working in Sg can save SGD1000 every month. Don't forget recently they have just gained the fame as the most expensive city in the world.

If you're talking about food maybe yes.. Working there as a middle class isn't easy at all same as here. Look at the accommodation they're paying for only HDB flat (forget about private housing in Sg!).. the car comes with the hefty cost of COE.. no doubt in term of GDP as promoted by PAP is one of the richest countries in the world but if you have zoomed into the actual individual income, it is not the figure translated by GDP. Due to the sky high living cost in Sg, not many people could save $1k net every month. All of them are fighting for survival. This is no.2 of HK!
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You can easily do that if work in Spore but stay in JB. Tens of thousand Malaysians cross over everyday to make SGD. They certainly can save SGD1000 every month. My nephew n wife who r non-graduates n both work in Spore can own two houses in JB n going to buy a HDB flat costing rm900k.
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post Apr 6 2016, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(kinggerrard @ Apr 6 2016, 10:38 AM)
I don't think there are many people working in Sg can save SGD1000 every month. Don't forget recently they have just gained the fame as the most expensive city in the world.

If you're talking about food maybe yes.. Working there as a middle class isn't easy at all same as here. Look at the accommodation they're paying for only HDB flat (forget about private housing in Sg!).. the car comes with the hefty cost of COE.. no doubt in term of GDP as promoted by PAP is one of the richest countries in the world but if you have zoomed into the actual individual income, it is not the figure translated by GDP. Due to the sky high living cost in Sg, not many people could save $1k net every month. All of them are fighting for survival. This is no.2 of HK!
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Where there's a will, there's a way rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 6 2016, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Apr 6 2016, 12:28 PM)
You can easily do that if work in Spore but stay in JB. Tens of thousand Malaysians cross over everyday to make SGD. They certainly can save SGD1000 every month. My nephew n wife who r non-graduates n both work in Spore can own two houses in JB n going to buy a HDB flat costing rm900k.
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How is it possible for them to buy HDB when they already own two houses in JB.
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post Apr 6 2016, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(darx84 @ Apr 6 2016, 03:21 PM)
How is it possible for them to buy HDB when they already own two houses in JB.
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U mean everyone in the world follow rules and regulation? It is a matter of how to circumvent them. There are so many HDB owners who bought a house n retire in JB . They use the rental from their HDB to pay for their JB's house loan and have balance for monthly expenses. thumbup.gif
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post Apr 6 2016, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(darx84 @ Apr 6 2016, 03:21 PM)
How is it possible for them to buy HDB when they already own two houses in JB.
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I believed they can buy a HDB if they do not have another property inside Sgp yet. It does not matter if they have properties in other parts of the world.
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post Apr 6 2016, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 6 2016, 07:38 PM)
I believed they can buy a HDB if they do not have another property inside Sgp yet. It does not matter if they have properties in other parts of the world.
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same like malaysia lor.

Rumawip. those own property outside KL still entitle to buy rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 6 2016, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 6 2016, 07:38 PM)
I believed they can buy a HDB if they do not have another property inside Sgp yet. It does not matter if they have properties in other parts of the world.
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AFAIK, you are not allowed to buy a hdb if u already own any property in other parts of the world, but it not easy for the Spore govt to find out, and there are ways to circumvent this ruling.
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post Apr 7 2016, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Apr 6 2016, 09:22 PM)
AFAIK,  you are not allowed to buy a hdb if u already own any property in other parts of the world, but it not easy for the Spore govt to find out, and there are ways to circumvent this ruling.
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I'm surprised that Sgp would try to enforce such an impossible to detect rule of law,... blink.gif
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post Apr 7 2016, 10:47 PM

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Funds outsourced by the Employees Provident Fund (EPF) to external fund managers rose 14% to RM98 billion last year, from RM86 billion in 2014.

EPF said this allocation was invested in both equity and fixed income instruments, representing 14% of its total investment assets.

EPF is committed to declare no less than 2.5% nominal dividend on a yearly basis and at least 2% real dividend on a three-year rolling basis.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/e...?type=Corporate
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post Apr 8 2016, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(kinggerrard @ Apr 6 2016, 10:38 AM)
I don't think there are many people working in Sg can save SGD1000 every month. Don't forget recently they have just gained the fame as the most expensive city in the world.

If you're talking about food maybe yes.. Working there as a middle class isn't easy at all same as here. Look at the accommodation they're paying for only HDB flat (forget about private housing in Sg!).. the car comes with the hefty cost of COE.. no doubt in term of GDP as promoted by PAP is one of the richest countries in the world but if you have zoomed into the actual individual income, it is not the figure translated by GDP. Due to the sky high living cost in Sg, not many people could save $1k net every month. All of them are fighting for survival. This is no.2 of HK!
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Wow... Just wow. My expenses is ~1k/month
Rental $500 ( single room...yay)
Transport $ 90 (40 for sg public transport, 50 2 way door-to-door back to hometown transport)
Food $300
Shopping $100 (RM300)

But I do have friend earning 3k but barely save. It depends on your lifestyle. Don't assume everyone's the same just because you can't do it XP

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post Apr 12 2016, 09:44 PM

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EPF expects 1.5 million members to convert to EPF-i in 2017
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-epf-i-in-2017/
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post Apr 13 2016, 08:55 AM

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EPF says no minimum 2.5% dividend for syariah-compliant fund

KUALA LUMPUR: The Employees Provident Fund (EPF), which is expected to launch a fully syariah-compliant fund by January 2017, will not have a minimum of 2.5% dividend for it.

According to EPF chief executive officer Datuk Sharil Ridza Ridzuan, the 2.5% minimum return drops away when members opt for the syariah-compliant fund.

“Once the 2.5% return drops away, the concept of capital returns or protection also goes away otherwise it would not be syariah compliant,” he said.

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...compliant-fund/
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post Apr 13 2016, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 13 2016, 08:55 AM)
EPF says no minimum 2.5% dividend for syariah-compliant fund

KUALA LUMPUR: The Employees Provident Fund (EPF), which is expected to launch a fully syariah-compliant fund by January 2017, will not have a minimum of 2.5% dividend for it.

According to EPF chief executive officer Datuk Sharil Ridza Ridzuan, the 2.5% minimum return drops away when members opt for the syariah-compliant fund.

“Once the 2.5% return drops away, the concept of capital returns or protection also goes away otherwise it would not be syariah compliant,” he said.

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...compliant-fund/
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post Apr 13 2016, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 13 2016, 08:55 AM)
EPF says no minimum 2.5% dividend for syariah-compliant fund

KUALA LUMPUR: The Employees Provident Fund (EPF), which is expected to launch a fully syariah-compliant fund by January 2017, will not have a minimum of 2.5% dividend for it.

According to EPF chief executive officer Datuk Sharil Ridza Ridzuan, the 2.5% minimum return drops away when members opt for the syariah-compliant fund.

“Once the 2.5% return drops away, the concept of capital returns or protection also goes away otherwise it would not be syariah compliant,” he said.

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...compliant-fund/
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Quite a number of contributors was hoping to switch over to syariah compliant funds on thr premise that it would do better than conventional. I am also with the believe that it would performed better with a little manipulation of course. nod.gif

However the most important goalpost is the safety concerns. With these revelation, i would think most non muslim contributors will shy away from switching.

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post Apr 13 2016, 01:18 PM

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the question is how would the EPF-i rate gonna be?

much better or worse than conventional? hmm.gif

at least the conventional one have "guarantee" of 2.5% blush.gif the shariah one don't have..
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post Apr 13 2016, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 13 2016, 01:18 PM)


much better or worse than conventional? hmm.gif

My brain washed mindset after spending many years here says the i-fund to do better or at least equal to the conventional one.

It will be a nightmare for them if i-fund gives a lower return than the normal one. Can expect to see politics-religion-race perfect storm here!


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post Apr 13 2016, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Apr 13 2016, 01:50 PM)
My brain washed mindset after spending many years here says the i-fund to do better or at least equal to the conventional one.

It will be a nightmare for them if i-fund gives a lower return than the normal one. Can expect to see  politics-religion-race perfect storm here!
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so it's better to "convert" into the epf-i account? innocent.gif

btw if I don't like after few year, can I "convert" back to conventional?

hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Apr 13 2016, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(magika @ Apr 13 2016, 12:17 PM)
Quite a number of contributors was hoping to switch over to syariah compliant funds on thr premise that it would do better than conventional. I am also with the believe that it would performed better with a little manipulation of course.  nod.gif

However the most important goalpost is the safety concerns. With these revelation, i would think most non muslim contributors will shy away from switching.
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Current AS* funds that only certain privileged people can buy don't even able to generate dividend being paid out.
That's the reason why EPF wants to drop the minimum 2.5% dividend payout on the new scheme.
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post Apr 13 2016, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 13 2016, 01:58 PM)
so it's better to "convert" into the epf-i account?  innocent.gif

btw if I don't like after few year, can I "convert" back to conventional?

hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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can check in, can't check out..

maybe you can wait for their first dividend announcement in 2018 (fye 2017)

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