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post Nov 7 2023, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 7 2023, 07:54 AM)
that's bad law actually hahahaha.... we lose 1 day dividend hahahha
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Bruh not 1 day lah..
employer deduct your EPF 27.2.23 for Feb salary
bank into EPF 10.3.23
EPF pay u 1 day dividen only for Mac 2023, you lost 32days dividend.


QUOTE(guy3288 @ Feb 9 2023, 06:08 PM)
This kind of interest lost  is totally  voluntary,
you only have yourself to blame if you lose it.

But the "forced" mandatory interest loss by  all of us is more insidious
and more irritating as we don have a say at all.

EPF pretend inefficient , pay contributor only 1 Day interest
sakau our interest at least 15 days every month

If total contribution is RM7 billion a month
at 4% interest EPF sakau at least RM130 million contributors' money
over the years how much interest we have lost to EPF?

And this is not one off,
it is going on and on  year after year

Employer must pay by 15th, give and take 5 days,
EPF should pay us 10days interest
not just 1 DAY every month.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Feb 10 2023, 08:38 AM)
This is wrong
You are making mum's effort to educate commonsense more difficult!
Doesnt matter which day of the month  EPF received your money,
it pays only 1 DAY interest for that month

Eg Feb 2023 contribution -

EPF received RM60k from A on 1.2.2023, A only can get 1 day interest for Feb.

EPF received RM60k  from B on 28.2.23 -  B also get 1 day interest same

This is not called interest  prorated daily
Prorated daily means A should get 28days interest
and B get only 1 day interest for Feb.

So  for  voluntary contribution, keep your money first in KDI
dont deposit early in the month, no point
If you manage to deposit as late in the month
but get it received by EPF end of month
you lose minimal interest to EPF

Now imagine our  compulsory monthly contribution
EPF says must pay by 15th every month
If late kena penalty, most employers pay EPF on 10th each month
But EPF pays only 1 DAY interest for us for that month

EPF untung your interest for  15-20DAYS

Every month EPF receive new monthly contribution RM6-7 Billions
EPF untung 15-20 days from this huge amount
1 year EPF at least untung RM130 Million from this compulsory contributions alone!
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post Nov 8 2023, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 7 2023, 01:59 PM)
you are the only one who gets my point
is my money / our money that our company has deducted from our pay to contribute to EPF
so why the want to hold long long... upon deduction immediately bank in ma
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Nov 7 2023, 02:00 PM)
from our point of view we lose that many days...from operations point of view..employer really need that many days to settle and pay...you don't just say today wanna pay, then employer can directly pay...
so have to be realistic also in the end...
it is what it is...
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cant blame employer at all, law say must pay before 15th
but most employers would pay early
to avoid unexpected hiccup end up kena penalty.

the culprit cheating our interest is EPF

in this age and era, no reason to just pay 1day interest for 7 billions EPF
received every month latest by the 15th/20th. EPF saja sapu that money
if used to topup our dividends ok.



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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Nov 9 2023, 08:22 AM)
. I check my epf deposit from company, they all around 15/16 of the month. So based on posted discussion, it should be as early of the month .... hence I'm missing out half a month of interest calculation?
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not just you, all of us also.
epf received monthly contribution money on 15 or 16th, ,some even earlier.
latest also 20th, but interest starts only on last day of the month,
EPF untung buta 10-15days month after month.


You pay late 1 day also tak boleh, EPF will issue penalty letter.


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post Dec 1 2023, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 1 2023, 07:55 AM)
👍 thanks for the simple to see calculation.
For 13k untung with OPM is only IF when
a) can get a 2.7% personal loan rate maintained for 5 yrs
b) epf rate is maintained at 5% for 5 yrs

It will only untung when OPM rate is less than epf rate.

Risk of rate increases in OPM rate,
Historically kwsp rate is above 5.x % for the past 10 yrs
Risk of having impact of credit score rating impacting future needed loan application
Risk of having not able to commit to loan repayment

I would still prefer not to get personal loan to put in kwsp....even though the is a chance of making some money with OPM
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Dec 1 2023, 08:16 AM)
The calculation didn't factor in the opportunity cost of the monthly repayment.

Otherwise the actual "untung" is less than RM1k only.
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I am amazed how you guys all can ignore the elephant in the room
the monthly loan pay back!!
that must not be omitted from the equation!

ignore that you would get all the wrong answers.

taking a loan to do business make money is normal.
but taking a loan to earn interest?
if can make money means the lenders had failed in actuarial science.
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QUOTE(gashout @ Nov 30 2023, 03:40 PM)
not difficult to calculate,

ask agent to give you a chart, if you are paying back in 10 years, then do amount x 120 months. it does float like how house loan is if BLR goes up or down.

i took personal loan for epf. as i calculated over 10 years, the interest payment is only 27% of the capital.

at 6%, epf will double every 12 years, so my return after 10 years will be more than 27%.
i calculated.

100k in epf for 10 years becomes 179k, personal loan total payment after 10 years is 127k = free 52k in that 10 years.
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so easy can get free money RM52k?
the maths is incorrect.
you need to deduct monthly installment loan pay back from EPF,
your EPF dividend would be much lesser

QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Nov 30 2023, 03:59 PM)
Aiyo mana boleh calculate like this.

Using your example, you are paying RM1058.33 every month for the loan for 10 years. Now, what if you don't take the loan but put that RM1058.33 into EPF every month? After 10 years you will get about RM167k. Yes it's still lower than RM179k (because eif is 4.95% vs 6%) but not as much as you thought.
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that is not comparing apple and apple.
that monthly RM1058 deposit to EPF can only be compared to some who has OWN RM100k,
deposit lumpsum to EPF no need withdraw every month RM1508 from EPF to pay loan.

It cannot be used to compare some who took a loan of RM100k becos he has loan to pay back monthly.

QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 30 2023, 05:01 PM)
Here's my theory on using Personal Loan(PL) for EPF contribution

PL RM100k at 2.7% per annum for 5 years (start on 1 Jan 2024)
Total loan payable = RM113,500

EPF deposit RM100k on 1 Jan 2024 until 31 Dec 2028 (every year 365 days)
Total EPF + 5% yearly dividend = RM127,128.71

Profit = RM13,628.71 (using Other People's Money)

By year 10, you would have RM162,252.06 in EPF (by paying RM113,500 at 10 years ago)
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i can confirm your theory wont work, rugi!

Your cost is RM113500 ++(loan fees etc), but your return is less than that.

You cannot get return RM127 128.71 from EPF. Far from it!

because monthly EPF balance will reduce by RM1890.

How can you ignore loan monthly installment and
expect full dividend on RM100k from start to end?

Deduct RM1890 a month, by the 5th year you have overdrawn your base RM100k.
Extend the loan to 10 years you are going to be underwater more and more.





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post Dec 1 2023, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 1 2023, 09:38 AM)
ASNASB investors also take loan to get the free untung money
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if you can qualify for it that is one thing
most importantly we must know where the error in calculation.
if not we only delude ourselves ..


QUOTE(ronnie @ Dec 1 2023, 09:56 AM)
It's just theoretical assumption.
just for fun.. not financial advice.

It's just paying RM1892 per month to get RM100k.... if you never had RM100k to begin with.
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i dont think it is so difficult to put monthly withdrawal in equation
and get the maths right.

QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Dec 1 2023, 10:06 AM)
Is it worth it to tie up with 5 years loan to earn that few hundreds ringgit?
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in above example, cant even earn few hundreds RM
it is a losing money game!

QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 1 2023, 10:08 AM)
just a discussion of a good debt vs bad debt.

people who get it get it, people who don't - it is ok.
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the maths must be correct first,
if not bad debts also can become good debts.


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post Dec 28 2023, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(HolyCooler @ Dec 27 2023, 02:56 PM)
I think i might be very difference from most people, i never dare to break any rule / law that might cause me troubles, especially when it comes to tax. My wife asked me just claim the full life style tax (i think 2000 or 2500?), i just rejected since i didn't have any proof for that part, i don't want to have any trouble in the future.

My home town, long time a go a famous restaurant owned by 5-6 siblings, they never paid tax, one day they had quarrel and left 1 of the siblings took over the restaurant, and one day lhdn contacted him, asking for over 100k of income tax chased back to previous 7-10 years tax that they didn't pay, i think the guy almost had heard attack.

My friend was contacted by lhdn too and his college also kena fined. all these made me never try to challenge the income tax law / rule.
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the world is not so straight, sometimes we have to ...if not we may endup
at losing end sure gomen would be happy

i kena this CKHT Rm32500 which is too much
sit and accept is too painful.
accountant easy said just pay LHDN would not entertain
he is as straight as a board...perhaps your type.

protest and appeal at least i must try.



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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 28 2023, 09:28 AM)
WOW!
What did you do????  confused.gif
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just cleared a Co property at 45% market price..yet LHDN wanna tax me full

QUOTE(Ankle @ Dec 28 2023, 11:12 AM)
You have to protest within the law.

Allowable items with invoice , receipts , documents which are valid can be exempted.

Otherwise no way out since profit has been made.
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creative accounting within the law helps...
a dollar saved is a dollar earned...

QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Dec 28 2023, 11:36 AM)
A friend of my friend...kena liao...runs an IT company....sepandai pandai tupai melompat...
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RM32500 no small amount... sweat.gif
just in time if not..... i kena pay by 7.1.24


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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Jan 17 2024, 03:43 PM)
RIP nexona88.
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RIP ? cant see posts from her again with nexona88?

QUOTE(dwRK @ Jan 17 2024, 04:06 PM)
true

it is only yours when you hide it under your pillow... otherwise you only have an iou statement... wink.gif
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no la, it is yours the same as long as you are around and
no one else has spent it off illegally.

QUOTE(Ankle @ Jan 17 2024, 04:51 PM)
It is only yours when and only when you use it in exchange for goods and services.

Even money under your pillow is "still not yet yours !"
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that concept comes from the saying money not spent is not yours.....

To say that is to tell people go spend money lah..
sudah cukup no need save money in FD EPF etc...

Often heard when someone wanna sell something to another.-
come buy this... go spend there....

Instead of Money not spent is not yours i rather caution people
money spent is really money not yours anymore!

You have RM1 million in EPF. That 1 million belongs to the gomen? not yours?
It is yours you decide how you wanna spend.
Sudah mati tak payah cakap lah,
even your Gold Bullion also no longer yours

It is not how much you must spend
but how little you need to..
to be happy

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Jan 19 2024, 12:35 AM)
Like the famous watch brand's quote, "You never really own the cash pile. You simply look after it for the next generation” tongue.gif
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ini macam kah? money spent , the watch is still not yours?

like that teruk lah..
we dont own the cars we paid
we dont own the house we bought...

who own them then?
the penjaga kereta?
the penjaga rumah.....

what have we then... nothing, do we own our life?


QUOTE(virtualgay @ Jan 19 2024, 10:15 AM)
no such thing is enough la...
greed is the biggest evil
got some old living proof in Malaysia...
does anyone of u here stop working completely and depend on  EPF saja after 55 / 60?
i am reaching that age very soon
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the more the better
rezeki jangan ditolak

greed is you go fight for it
rezeki is what `falls on your lap'.
why wanna retire just continue ma..

QUOTE(Rinth @ Jan 19 2024, 03:56 PM)
90yo edi pretty good enough edi....after that dun think can walk/travel easily edi...basically that time your $$ is useless to you edi..
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at that stage , you yourself may not need money any more
but people caring for you needs it
and you wouldn t even know it....

the medicines few hundreds a month,
a 24 hour companion few thousands a month
nursery home few thousands a month etc..


QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Jan 19 2024, 10:14 PM)
The children enjoying the EPF money or whoever in the nomination of EPF 👌
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think positive
be thankful you have children to hand over your legacies.

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Jan 20 2024, 06:40 AM)
My friend sells Sunway Retirement home...starting from RK10k/mth. Pow Kah Liao Services including Medical.
Only time don't need money is die early.
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i have seen some become 'totally dependent, very high maintenance' at the end
and it can go on for years..


QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Jan 20 2024, 09:31 AM)
Its just a metaphor😁
Looking fwd to 6.xx nonetheless😉
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thumbup.gif just pulling your leg.. biggrin.gif



QUOTE(Ankle @ Jan 20 2024, 10:56 AM)
ini macam kah? money spent , the watch is still not yours?

like that teruk lah..
we dont own the cars we paid
we dont own the house we bought...

who own them then?
the penjaga kereta?
the penjaga rumah.....

what have we then... nothing, do we own our life?

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Eh bro do not take it out of context.

the watch is yours of course its yours. the cliche is trying to say that the patek philippe is a solid watch that can last until next generation, please enjoy

the watch if you own one.

the cars, house you paid for (if the loan is 100pct settled) are all yours. you spent money to get it so please enjoy them

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thumbsup.gif bravo.

out of context meh? ownership of our possessions same lah
be it a watch, car , gold or money.

i know that sales gimmick from Patek.
not that i believe in that ownership rhetoric though

because your possession is yours...
whether you use it or not, it is still yours
money included

that is why your money not spent is not yours
has become contentious...

QUOTE(,Jan 18 2024, 12:52 PM)
If it's not yours, how you can spend it? Same goes to your credit card...
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QUOTE(,Jan 18 2024, 09:26 AM)
you misunderstood the two different concepts... possession vs usefulness
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but i agree with you on
QUOTE(Ankle @ Jan 20 2024, 10:56 AM)
live your life
look after your family
and guard your money well
Know how to earn how to save and know how to spend too.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 20 2024, 09:30 PM)
Some does not forget but just decided not waste time and effort and talk about inflation. biggrin.gif
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me too....... why worry so much? not that we can change also..

QUOTE(dwRK @ Jan 20 2024, 10:34 PM)
i have learn to ignore whatever news and narrative... wink.gif

only focus on what is important... how much div! rclxm9.gif
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div high we put in more, div down withdraw the excess

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Jan 24 2024, 01:39 PM)
may I know which you bought for PRS? which is the best for my RM3k ?

I actually got to know it from Versa ads (as I am using Versa save), but I don't have confidence much in the things they invest in after reading the breakdown of the low, medium, and high risk PRS funds.
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Affin Hwang and Principal Asia Pac Ex Jap C were good for me but after 2021 dropping
Was cheap last 2 yrs but price picking up again recently.

so for 2023 the Rm3000 i put into Principal Retire Easy50, Nov 23 bought, seems doing very good.. up 6.9% so far.

QUOTE(ronnie @ Jan 24 2024, 02:04 PM)
almost all PRS have poor returns... we invest for the tax relief.
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yeah all the talk about UT must be long term is talk kok wan.
same PRS of RM27k in 2021 got profit RM12k
2 yrs + later see profit already dropped 5k...

ada untung jual itu UT keep long long term....BS


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would there be surprises? i dont think so....
steady lah bro no need hold your breath for it
relax unless 90% money all in EPF
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Since EPF previously stated that the performance in Q1 to Q3 of 2023 was good, a 0.15% increase in the conventional savings rate seemed unacceptable to many.

A netizen however congratulated the good performance but still was disappointed with the dividend announced.

As an EPF member, he requested details of the investment profit and the decision on the distribution to be made transparent to the public.

On the other hand, it seems like many are grateful for the percentage of dividends that were announced.

For the Syariah dividend rate, many people are happy with the increase of 0.65% from the year 2022.

Many were seen to encourage others to convert their EPF savings from Conventional to Syariah.

One netizen pointed out that it was good to see that the Syariah Funds were as competitive as the Conventional Funds.

However, another said it was a shocker to see that the Syariah Funds performed better than the Conventional Funds.

“Another shocker is the Shariah one. Such a huge jump from last year. What book did you cook to get that number. I have trust issue with EPF now,” the netizen commented.
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That is why lah dont simply predictl can get upto 6- 6.5%

Now dapat 5.5% only..
and so little increase with good 3 quarters..
last quarter tiba tiba flop and go silent for days...


And suddenly syariah dividend jumped, surelah netizens unhappy..normal thinking

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 6 2024, 02:43 PM)
Better still, do not show quarterly performance.  laugh.gif
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scared they really do that next time man...now sudah show good 3 quaters
suddenly dividend not as expected, sudah hantar pi mana dividend kita....



QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 6 2024, 03:01 PM)
we better keep on telling them to be more transparent...

if not, some smart alec will do a paradigm shift and propose that EPF should follow CPF... cannot question, and Acct 1 gets 4% pa; Acct 2 gets 2.5% pa. Acct 3 gets 1% pa

then how?  blink.gif  hmm.gif
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transparency is needed conventional earn much ,distributed how much,
nonconventional earn how much..

should not take from one to top up another..


QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Mar 6 2024, 05:50 PM)
Sailang showhand withdraw all? Just curious.
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if gomen rob peter to pay paul i also want out lah.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 8 2024, 11:05 PM)
Not really...

It's called smart accounting 😁

To reduce volatility of dividend rates...
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how about cut conventional div to pay higher for noncenven?
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QUOTE(Rinth @ Mar 16 2024, 01:39 PM)
Both of my kid are still below primary school age.. By the time they go uni, im not sure whether I willing to fork out millions for them to study, and  whether they can even earn back the millions, many just study then work non related job of what they study… 1 million 5% is 50k, maybe it’s small amount in 15 years time but I guess still can provide them with basic necessities, and they should just go local uni and I’ll safe the million for their future usage hahaha.
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yes . i support
why want to throw away your money overseas if your children can
get the course they wanted in local U..

Overseas degree very good meh? i dont belip.
i heard many , my neighbours father kaya raya, all sent overseas
come back also not working. no job or too qualified?

but if they cannot get the course they want, Local U offered them unwanted courses
or want to send your kid to lousy no name U,
then no choice lor,
father mother have to take out coffin money ....kesian


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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 17 2024, 07:36 PM)
If local IPT, then must get PTPTN even if can afford..1% interest rate, delay payback and discounts if make full repayment.

Dont touch Account 2 EPF.
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Yes, i agree, ambik , jangan tak ambik

not just cheap loan, can hutang if no money to pay back, regularly gomen give discount on payback etc..

if you are lucky, the ptptn loan can be waived also!







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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Mar 23 2024, 12:15 AM)
i cannot find limit for EPF...but my banking limits all I put pretty high at 20k or 30k already...
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1day RM50k yes can.. but cimb teruk each time can do only 5k
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