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post Oct 7 2023, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 7 2023, 08:09 AM)
Unfortunately 8 digits here is pittance in Australia.  laugh.gif

It will be tenanted by the children. And us when we visit.  laugh.gif
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i enjoy reading your life journey

your kids are blessed. hope they manage your inheritance well
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post Oct 9 2023, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Oct 8 2023, 10:12 PM)
This idiot economist again : Barjoyai Bardai of Universiti Tun Abdul Razak
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QUOTE(coyouth @ Oct 9 2023, 10:35 AM)
i agree. don't know why astro and FMT keep sharing his retarded ideas.
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media has the tendency to ask opinion from half baked expert

stir shit is their motto to drive up view counts.

since when they are bound by ethical and professional principle
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post Oct 11 2023, 07:46 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 10 2023, 10:11 PM)
problem... not enough money when retire...

solution simple... no money cannot retire...  rclxm9.gif

epf amountmin retirement age
<10k80
10 - 50k 75
50 - 100k70
100 - 200k65
200 - 500k60
500 - 1m55
>1m50

guarantee ppl will not simply withdraw otherwise cannot retire... hahahahaha...
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how about 45 and 40.

hardworking savers are hitting those numbers fast smile.gif
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post Oct 11 2023, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 11 2023, 08:21 AM)
highly encouraged to work till at least 50 to contribute to income tax society/nation building...  innocent.gif

in addition to this retirement age reform... epf reform includes 4 savings accounts

emergency fund10kdividend +2%
housing & education250knormal dividend
basic retirement250knormal dividend
super saverunlimiteddividend +2%

of course ppl can FIRE early anytime...  nod.gif

maybe even mandatory retirement >5mil... so next generation can take over and build wealth faster... hahaha...
ps... i gatal scan your qr code... hahahahaha...
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good table there, looks more structured than the current acc1 and acc2

scary we need 10k for emergency to make people more disciplined.

to have 5 mil, our saving rate must be high, i know asian countries are high in saving rates, not sure about malaysia hmm.gif

ok, found it

Key information about Malaysia Gross Savings Rate Malaysia Gross Savings Rate was measured at 26.9% in Dec 2022, compared with 26.9% in the previous quarter. Malaysia Gross Savings Rate is updated quarterly, with data available from Mar 2010 to Dec 2022, and an average rate of 26.9%.

Countries Savings, percent of GDP, 2022 Global rank Available data
Singapore 43.22 1 1972 - 2022
Azerbaijan 42.47 2 1995 - 2022
Saudi Arabia 41 3 1971 - 2022
Uzbekistan 37.5 4 2005 - 2022
Indonesia 37.03 5 1981 - 2022
South Korea 34.05 6 1976 - 2022
Bangladesh 33.96 7 1976 - 2022
Cambodia 31.77 8 1995 - 2022
Nepal 30.55 9 1976 - 2022
Israel 30 10 1995 - 2022
India 29.84 11 1975 - 2022
Thailand 26.67 12 1975 - 2022
Malaysia 26.53 13 1974 - 2022
Hong Kong 25.5 14 1998 - 2022
Mongolia 24.1 15 1981 - 2022
Philippines 22.5 16 1981 - 2022
Armenia 17.62 17 1993 - 2022
Palestine 10.95 18 1995 - 2022

we still can improve on our saving rate...


qr code, ah haha biggrin.gif


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post Oct 12 2023, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Oct 12 2023, 10:32 AM)
Top 1% in Malaysia means shit, which was what i was trying to say. Because the standard is so farking low.

Try comparing the top 1% with the Top 0.1% in Malaysia.

2.2m, you are still stuck in Malaysia, can't have a decent life elsewhere. So it's useless.

SGD 4.75m, now we are talking, at least it can get you a decent property in some 1st world country and live a decent retirement life (not too lavish either) of your choice.
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our currency sucks. thats the problem.

imagine our currency same like sgd, sgd 2.2 is super good.

currency sucks!
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post Oct 14 2023, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 14 2023, 10:17 AM)
Literate and probably quite disciplined too.  biggrin.gif
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Any success in life is a very boring process

Put emotion aside, use brain, be discipline, stay consistent


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post Oct 14 2023, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Oct 14 2023, 10:37 AM)
we all b40s k
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I always tell people I'm B40 then everyone haha. So they don't feel bad for me.
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post Oct 14 2023, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Oct 14 2023, 11:11 AM)
I don't think it takes a lot of money to take bus. I didn't buy a car until I am well over mid 20s....that also crappy used car. I also went to study night class. Remember one time...one guy fell from his chair behind the class...BOOOMMM!...He literally fall asleep and fell off his chair because too tired.

I don't think you can call this luxury. This is what we are willing to sacrifice and work hard. I was born poor too. If you are born poor, not your fault, if you die poor, then don't bising bising blame other people.
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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Oct 14 2023, 11:38 AM)
i'm just giving an example. and not a blanket.

luxury not in terms of taking bus, but the circumstances and opportunity as compared to others to get out of poverty. do u know there are many poor ppl who couldn't further their studies because they have to spend all their time to do multiple jobs to support their family? sure, in the long term studying hard etc will get u out of poverty, but at the moment of time as the sole breadwinner - will u let ur mother and siblings starve while u go study? of course not saying everyone like that. case by case basis. what applied to u might not be applicable to others. everyone loves success stories, but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

empathy is my point.
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I offer my input in this situation. I've counseled a female student post spm. Get scholarship for her. After talking for so long, she didn't study. She went to work to help fam.

Valid point..

But Chinese has a saying. Can poor anything but not education.

Parents who guilt trip their kids sacrifice their future just to help out with short term expenses are selfish. Dead selfish.

Rather hang on suffer a bit let your kids study then can help later. Than forever work as factory worker.

Selfish parents in this case.

I get this really. I'm in similar case but I'm glad my parents were gomen servant so my burden ain't that much. But I was really lacking. No money for breakfast, always worried for next semester money etc. And they're irresponsible.

Life is good now.

Many people talk shit about education and university. Don't join these people. It's always safe to have a paper with you, that's the least you should have in today's time.
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post Oct 14 2023, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 14 2023, 04:22 PM)
my kids friend ... malay girl... her parents from young told her its her duty to take care of her special needs elder brother... wtf

my kids share her stories... make my blood boil man... not just selfish but down right cruel... m40 family some more... cb
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Very selfish. Her future is finished, mostly. 20 30 years down the road, ask uncle kentang for help. Her parents literally destroyed her future.

That's why when I look at uncle kentang stories, i feel very sorry for the kids, I don't feel sad for the adults. There are exceptional cases as well of course. People who somehow got into deep shit and couldn't recover financially..but most I dunno what to say or what to feel. Even been through those period.


Don't poor education. Do whatever you need to get some education, be it paper, knowledge, or a set of skills.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 17 2023, 07:57 PM)
If that's the case...

I'm totally out.. give me the damn form to opt out 🤪
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Only ask those who wanna do acc 3 apply to move their fund. Don't affect those who wants the status quo to remain.

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post Oct 20 2023, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Oct 20 2023, 10:06 AM)
Still can do now...I am still diversifing but recent RM nose dive is really painful to exit from RM now. But 2 years later can be RM7 to USD 1. Regret didn't exit more when it was highest around RM4 to USD 1.
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have 6 digit usd in crypto. cukur, can counter useless myr biggrin.gif
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post Oct 20 2023, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Oct 20 2023, 11:16 AM)
Boss...I where got 6 digit USD Crypto. Only got Arcade toy coin to feed 🐹.
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not everything is always about you tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

you have tfx coin?... dun believe tongue.gif tongue.gif you are smarter than that degree and master in finance and law stupid guy what 120 mil AUM manager who rubbed shoulder with billionnaire then keep saying he is friends with them. biggrin.gif but still need to go telegram look for new hamsters...

back to epf... talk about that also kek sim
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post Oct 21 2023, 03:45 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 20 2023, 06:03 PM)
Malaysia’s pension system ranks 4th in Asia, calls for strengthening elderly support and tackling household savings and debt

In the rankings, the retirement income system of the Netherlands has reclaimed the leading position, closely pursued by Iceland and Denmark securing second and third places, respectively.

Meanwhile, Singapore’s retirement income system has displayed significant progress, ascending two positions to secure the 7th place out of 47 systems, maintaining its dominance in the Asian rankings.

Hong Kong SAR (64) and Japan (56.3) follow in the rankings.

Malaysia’s Employee Provident Fund (EPF) secured the 32nd position out of the 47 systems reviewed in the 2023 index, achieving a score of 56.0 for the overall index, placing it fourth in the Asian rankings.  sweat.gif

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https://gutzy.asia/2023/10/18/malaysias-pen...vings-and-debt/
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this is great, the only thing to buck up is the strength of myr.

also something insurance agent will never show, cause it will rob them away their commission... and force you park in some money losing investment with lots of agent fee regardless of performance
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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Oct 22 2023, 01:40 PM)
Also 1% management fee on NAV. Make loss also must pay🫢
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zero accountability

up or down just pay.

they get to drive their ferrari. clients just wait ya. investment is for long term. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Oct 22 2023, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Oct 22 2023, 03:50 PM)
What i hated most are those UT agents...they are like vultures always hovering around you and tricks you to withdraw your EPF so they can earn their commission. Disgusting!
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you are your best teacher, always teach yourself financial literacy.

otherwise, get scammed by insurance agent, UT agent, or money game people...

at the end of the day, no one gives a shit about your life,

live your life, look after your family and guard your money well.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 25 2023, 11:47 AM)
Agreed...
There's always winners & losers...

Your point is valid...

Unless one don't stay majority of the time in Malaysia per year... The negative effects is real.... U can feel it...

Talking on ordinary people perspective...
Yes, some of us have foreign investment exposure... It's bringing good paper profit now... Thanks to MYR, but our expenses are in MYR too....
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agree, i really don't know how people survive.

i come back holiday every year, then calculate my expenses, no difference from where i am at.

a food panda order easily rm20 for a simple nasi goreng. ridiculous.

the only comfort food i can afford now is rm 1.50 nasi lemak at the roadside, still delicious. add egg, its 2.50. ate everyday during first week when im back and i got heaty body.

im still into street food, so still bearable. those going to cafes and restaurant. how do you afford with 3k salary.

grab also not cheap, one small journey also very expensive. so i take public transport.

save more when you can, you never know what tomorrow brings you.


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post Oct 26 2023, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 25 2023, 03:02 PM)

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Oct 25 2023, 03:23 PM)
fixed
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watching now...

how will malaysians retire then
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post Oct 27 2023, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Oct 26 2023, 06:05 PM)
Yep. So just vote whoever gives them tongkat.  This is why I said this country is heading for Final Destination. Too late to change track.
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Common mentality among them is no savings. And why think about the future when I'm dying now. And let me withdraw one last time.

QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Oct 26 2023, 09:32 PM)
Are we allowed to switch between Acct 3 to the other acct ?

I will wanna opt out from this new acct, dont need it and dont want it.
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Acc 3 should be new fund. To be included in salary deduction like 9% to it. So 11% to acc 1 and 2. 9% to acc 3.

The idea is good, it helps people to save but epf better don't touch my account 1 and 2...

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post Oct 27 2023, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Oct 27 2023, 10:07 AM)
Regarding the 9%, meaning future EPF will deduct 20% instead of 11%? Then our take home pay lower than half already
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singapore also similar... dont see them die also
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post Nov 3 2023, 05:58 AM

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why doesn't epf let us choose the categories we want to be in

conservative

mid range

aggressive

we only have syariah vs conventional only and blanket the whole investment.

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