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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V128, YAT YEE FATT !!!!

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Boon3
post Mar 14 2013, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 14 2013, 09:16 AM)
Copy pasta also consider as "hard work"? laugh.gif
To copy, the fingers had to cover a lot of real estate on that Star website.
To paste, have to login to Lowyat then have to click this forum and then have to paste and then have to click send.
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Kesian my fingers you know.
So much hard work done.

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post Mar 14 2013, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(truth_seeker_09 @ Mar 14 2013, 09:30 AM)
i am looking at yilai recently.. with high dividend old man FD. Trying to buy before under those radar..... what u guys think?
This one interesting, especially the name - Second Wife. tongue.gif

This one is a good stock for discussion. tongue.gif
Dividends paid by the company is good (Lazy to count the exact yield based on currrent price) but the question I would raise is 'sustainability'.

I believe 2nd Wife is still debt free but I believe at the rate they are are generously giving out the dividends, cash pile should be shrinking fast.
I know this is arguable because some will point out that since 2nd Wife has no debts, it has the leveraging option.

Profits have been dismal compared to its glory days when it was making more than 25+ million a year.

IF I were to buy for the dividends, I have to be contended and live with the fact that this 2nd Wife is not going to seduce many due to lack of sexy factor (profit growth tongue.gif)

A plus factor I noticed is the company has been supporting the share price by buying back shares.



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post Mar 14 2013, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Mar 14 2013, 09:38 AM)
your finger like Midas hand - turn anything to be gold.
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What you want my fingers to touch? tongue.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 14 2013, 09:39 AM)
You are a potential LLB (Lawyer Laoyah Buruk) tongue.gif

Small Cap stock indeed has a lot of upside gain, imagine a company with market cap of RM200mil, to reach market cap of RM1bil, u will earn 5 fold.
If I am LLB, pretty soon I have to charge you. tongue.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 14 2013, 09:54 AM)
Dividend is unchanged for 3 years in a row, 7 cents dividend. Although the yield seems high, this rate of dividend is not sustainable as DPS >EPS, it is  a matter of time they will cut dividend after the cash runs out. When the dividend is cut, the share price will plunge. Also EPS growth is dismal, seems like the overall company is contracting... Not interested.  tongue.gif
Why you so direct one... tongue.gif


Old man stocks I also one man!
I will just trade it using a 2 year time frame. tongue.gif

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post Mar 14 2013, 10:05 AM

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gark:

Ok .. I no list to share.
Share some ideas/observations can gua.

Ok, since KSeng was on such a leng chai run last week, do we have other stocks that might be the next KSeng?
ie.. stocks sitting on huge land banks that aren't properly revalued to current market prices.

I start some...

1. Genting Plantations. The other day, one report suggested it has plenty of land in Johor area.
2. KSL. This one got lots of land area near Iskandar area.
3. Plenitude. laugh.gif How could I leave this one. Overloaded with land bank for a property developer.
4. Incken. Bangi/Kajang land...
5. Oriental?
6.
7.
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9.
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let's keep this list going... tongue.gif

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post Mar 14 2013, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(truth_seeker_09 @ Mar 14 2013, 10:04 AM)
haha... boon u r so cute..
i will follow you to try "2nd wife" for 2 yrs also.. seperate if no more interest?.. since.. it still got cash in hand and with good div atm.. the buy q still so strong atm..
The profit growth is one important factor.
Check SAPIND's dividends last year.
Yesterday SAPIND reported very poor earnings.
Stock now is down quite a bit.
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post Mar 14 2013, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(truth_seeker_09 @ Mar 14 2013, 10:18 AM)
where do u check the profit growth? EPS?
This one need some very hard work.
Go read their Annual report.
Look at past 5 year profits.
Check see if the profit is increasing or decreasing.

For example, 2nd wife's profit few years back was around 27 or 28 million, iinm.
Now is just 10 million.

If you want to go more in details, you can compare the year it made the 27 million, check the stock price.
Then compare it to now.

A lot of hard work.... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

Easier method, go spend money and buy the data.
Dynaquest sells a book which compiles all this date.
The cheapskate, alternate method of this is to go to your favourite book store and then....
either you remember those numbers or you take out your Smart Phone and snap..... tongue.gif



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post Mar 14 2013, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 14 2013, 10:53 AM)
Ok lah.. since you want.. here is super old man list tongue.gif

1. Kfima - increasing DPS for 6 years running, PE 8x, DY 5%, Payout ratio 30%, Cash rich, developing 40k new plantation (10k can harvest) in Kalimantan
2. SOP - This one is future potential, 40k planted, 20k unplanted, 70% of trees not yet mature, new refinery in bintulu, PE 10x
3. Faber - Cash rich, PE 6x, increasing DPS - this one might be dropping off the list soon
4. Cypark - Future solar potential from 8mw to 15 mw by end of year + new biomass plant coming out soon
5. Kossan - PE 10x, DY 3%, good mix of 50% latex, 50% nitrile + technical rubber
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Yeah!!!!!!

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I like SOP. biggrin.gif
KFima. Can't understand why they dunno how to take Fima Corp private. rolleyes.gif
Cypark? Don't like name. laugh.gif (don't whack me for this but the name... no sound nice. tongue.gif)

Not that super old man list la.

Hey, you no like Hai-O?
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post Mar 14 2013, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 14 2013, 02:55 PM)
I saw some value trap company, actually don't fancy about it, unless u got holding power tongue.gif
Just name some mah... tongue.gif

Add to list ... don't mean have to die die must buy. tongue.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(jy1905 @ Mar 14 2013, 03:08 PM)
kseng and oriental
unless you can outlive the major shareholders
but surprisingly, ff interested in oriental
any fund manager can explain why ar?
Err.. I understand KSeng boss very the kiamsap but did you see how leng chai a stock KSeng became last week?

Early this month? < 4.20.
Today price? > ...... 5.12!!!!

Not too bad mah.




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post Mar 14 2013, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Mar 14 2013, 03:15 PM)
96cents dividend and must come out by this year  hmm.gif
If you masuk 4.20, 96 sen don't come also shiok enough already mah. smile.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 14 2013, 03:21 PM)
Maybe the 3rd generation of Loh family reveal their plan to that fund manager? hmm.gif
Oriental is a cash rich company but yet they fail to utilize it
I agree with what you say about the owners of stocks like Oriental and Kseng.

But ... the stock isn't as bad leh.

Last year, before reports came out suggesting Oriental was a buy, Oriental was trading the 7.60 region.
Oriental today is 9.20.

When market demands for such stocks... how bad the stock, the stock also can move one. tongue.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(jy1905 @ Mar 14 2013, 03:25 PM)
difficult to time lar
wait until sien

just like a husband with a very hot and pretty wife
but wife everyday working and don:t want give
so husband wait until TL and eat other pretty gals who come in the way
then one night wife suddenly wanna give but husband ald kaki lembik
but worth it what
husband had fun so many times ald, so miss one time is ok
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Your explanation is sibeh farneeee!!!
Good lah you.

But I don't look at it from a DIVIDEND perspective leh.
Or as many has said before, traders just don't marry the pretty gal, they just want the quick screw. tongue.gif
From 4.20 to 5.12 in one week, is very good leh.

Can you see that such stocks are in demand? tongue.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 03:35 PM

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Give another example.
Tebrau.

Lousy company... blah, blah blah... tiok.
But the lousy company got all the land bank in the hot, hot area in Johor.
Their cost of land is so dirt cheap.

Compare Tebrau stock performance the last 6 months.
Not bad isn't it?

Buying stocks for dividends is good. -- better put this statement. tongue.gif
But stocks that don't give dividend, doesn't mean they are lousy stock and cannot give good return for the investor or trader. smile.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 14 2013, 03:51 PM)
Sorry ah boon taikor, u are right.

My concern is the value trap, no idea when the management will unlock it, similar like KrisAsset case
I really understand your concern but I believe, sometimes, not often, the market can do some unlocking of the value.

Sometimes there will be success, sometimes no. ( good example? ICAP )

You look at Daiman.
Another property player which has lots of land in JB area.
Daiman might not be the best property developer but at the rate the land is appreciating in JB, companies like Daiman will also profit big time by the market, like we saw last week when Iskandar theme became the hot thing!


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post Mar 14 2013, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 14 2013, 04:25 PM)
Another hidden asset gem is NAIM.. it's 23% stake in Dayang > Naim's total capitalization. The anak is worth more then the mom... rclxub.gif  BUT the stock own by 'pek moh' so it is risky...  brows.gif
Crazy hor... but I agree with you on the owner issue. tongue.gif

I like the anak name... Dayang sounds so sayang. smile.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Mar 14 2013, 04:31 PM)
going by the same logic , i throw you another name . lionind owns x% parkson . how  ? can see , cannot touch wo .  tongue.gif

edit -> sweat , lionind left 0.9x .  doh.gif
Parkson itself not doing so good recently. wink.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 14 2013, 04:38 PM)
Dayang = Princess in bahasa Sulu.. still like or not?
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post Mar 14 2013, 04:48 PM

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I understand most of the issue about ownership but do look at what the market is focusing on : Land BANK.

Market is hot over this and I am just looking for more ideas. smile.gif


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