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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V128, YAT YEE FATT !!!!

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Boon3
post Mar 13 2013, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(cwhong @ Mar 13 2013, 12:12 PM)
Down there props sell like hotcakes, some locations price same par with klcc area (for condo to condo comparison) really siaw liau .......
The one big point mentioned by research reports are some of these companies own land banks which have yet to be revalued to current prices.

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post Mar 13 2013, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 13 2013, 12:15 PM)
I have no comment against those focus on dividends only, different people have different methodology for "investing".
I know they are aiming for passive income, which able to beat inflation, at the same time, use the passive income to re-invest, make the return compounding.

The entry price is really based on how u project the company future, and it require some instinct laugh.gif
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So diplomatic. tongue.gif

I seriously have nothing against investing for dividends.
For example, Dutch Lady investors who bought the stock when it was less than 20.00, can have good justification to continue holding to the stock.
The return is indeed superb and it shows dividend investing works. biggrin.gif
However, I feel there is a lack of discussion about other factors.
Cheerleaders just mention a stock dividend and nothing else.
For example, no comparison is made between current dividend and past dividend.
If the dividend is getting smaller, then shouldn't there be some discussion be made if the stock is worth holding or not?

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post Mar 13 2013, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Mar 13 2013, 12:11 PM)
For me, I locked in my gain much earlier.
Was about 90% cash end of Jan. And now I'm 100% cash. Might buy 20% to 40% after the parliament is dissolved, with the remaining cash waiting for the "unthinkable" to happen.
What's your game plan?
Game plan?

I am a trader and I still continue to buy stocks but I am more choosy with what I buy and my selling is more frequent.

Yeah, anything could happen in this year's GE. wink.gif
A hang government is probably the worst thing that could happen from a stock marker perspective.

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post Mar 13 2013, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2013, 12:43 PM)
Dividend investing is a good strategy, for constant 'safe' growth with overall lower risk. One should not be looking at purely dividend yield only for dividend investing. Also as a dividend investor, stock price is merely a guide for entry/exit.

In my opinion, the most important factor we should look at FCF growth and dividend growth. This means that the stock is able to grow it's dividend over time at a constant albeit slower rate of growth. This strategy has benefited many investor who prefer slow and steady growth.

These stocks have the capacity to ride the ups and downs of the market, as we can ignore the price as long as we are satisfied the dividends keep increasing year on year at a rate higher than inflation. These are truly long term holdings... IF you buy at the right price.  wink.gif
Agree! biggrin.gif

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post Mar 13 2013, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 13 2013, 12:57 PM)
I still think that for a dividend investor, they should look at the yield instead of growth, let say set a benchmark of 6% and select from the list.
Yes, the yield is important but it should not be the sole factor.

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post Mar 13 2013, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Mar 13 2013, 01:05 PM)
Which stock you already sai lang? Mind to share?
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ya. ya. ya. Please share. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 13 2013, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2013, 01:46 PM)
Dow Jones is not a constantly growing stocks.. laggard stocks are usually removed and better stocks put into the Dow Jones index. Over the years the Dow Jones index has probably changed more stocks constituents than you change underwear... A lot of the stocks in the creating of the index is no longer then, either bankrupt or merged out.
Our KLCI also ikut same tactic. tongue.gif
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post Mar 13 2013, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Mar 13 2013, 02:40 PM)
Then what is the main factor? hmm.gif
If and If I buy a stock for a dividend, I wish to be sure that I want to get MORE dividends each year.

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Jokes aside (ahem!), I think everyone wants at least the same or more dividends each year.
They do not want to invest in a stock only to find it slashing its dividends the following year.
In short, the sustainability of the dividends is just as important as the the dividend yield.

In terms of sustainability, this sifu gark, has covered already.
Things like cash flow is important.
Profits is important too.
When a company earns less money, chances are they will cut its dividends the following year.
As we saw in Panamy case, when a company earn less, subsequently the dividends shrank (despite of the cash balance).

Knowing the company background and history and its owner history is just as important.
As discussed before, Panamy is not going to be super nice and distribute that huge cash balance it has in its books, since the money is deposited (or is it lend) to its holding company.
As said before, a stingy owner can surprise the market with a huge generous dividend but such dividend is not going to be repeated cos the owner will remain stingy.

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post Mar 13 2013, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2013, 03:13 PM)
You very free, go and compile a list of companies with increasing dividend/EPS year after year for 5 years list and 10 years list.

This list will be the ultimate dividend investing guide.

I always want to do but not free as you... tongue.gif
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When I am free, I am lazy. tongue.gif
How about you?
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post Mar 13 2013, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2013, 03:18 PM)
Emm.. since you free, go do some research so all of us can make money mar including you... brows.gif

Here we lack dividend investing resources... all we have is yield.  rolleyes.gif



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post Mar 13 2013, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2013, 03:26 PM)
You have symptoms of a disease....

It's called value investor disease... i have it too.  icon_question.gif  sweat.gif

Another not so nice for this disease is 'kiasu' disease...

P/S It's not cureable..... cry.gif
Feeling free and feeling lazy also cannot be cured. laugh.gif

Got any stock to ... invest now? rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 13 2013, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2013, 04:06 PM)
Investor too much money, don't know where to put.. at least 5% is higher than FD wat.. so everyone dump their money there.

If interest rate goes up... then 'jialat' to reits.... brows.gif
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Not so jialat la because it's expected mah. tongue.gif
They call this as defensive investing and one gets defensive returns/yields from defensive investing. tongue.gif



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post Mar 13 2013, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2013, 04:08 PM)
For you very special stock. Guarantee to earn lots of money one! Go ahead and sai lang!

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Cilaka!

Betul-betul kena hold from master! sweat.gif
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post Mar 13 2013, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2013, 04:14 PM)
REIT behave like bonds due to it's constant yield. But behave like stock if economy in trouble...

Now people is willing to pay for 5% yield in REIT over 3% in FD. The 200 bps higher is for the risk premium.

If FD becomes 4%, people will then demand 6% yield in REIT, so what happen to REIT price?  whistling.gif
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I was and I am trying to be nice today by not talking about that R*** word. tongue.gif

So let me siam sikit and talk about GE13. laugh.gif

GE13.
Today 13/03/13. rolleyes.gif

Can BN win?
Maybe but I don't think they can win by a tanah runtoh. sweat.gif

Can Opposition win?
Not impossible and even if they win, I think the margin of victory might be slim. sweat.gif

Prediction?
Close fight.
Will market like a close decision? sweat.gif








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post Mar 13 2013, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Mar 13 2013, 04:19 PM)
why not compile year 1 & 2... then do your due diligence, then hoping that year 3, 4, 5, etc will be like that . if after year 5 then too late lio ma .  tongue.gif
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I cannot lie.
I am lazy and indeed not capable of compiling such data.

This is why I like trading.

Less work, fingers only have to hit the buy/sell key.

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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Mar 13 2013, 04:35 PM)
my screen shows me that DLADY has 3 straight quarters of uptrend in earnings still .  laugh.gif

some others ->

AEON, AEONCR, ARMADA, ARREIT, ATLAN, GAMUDA, HAPSENG, HSL, KOSSAN, LMCEMNT, MEDIA, PBBANK, SPSETIA, SUPERMX
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Finally I got a Veggie list! TQ! TQ! TQ!

eenie meenie miney mo... Aeoncr, Hapseng and ..... err .... Aeoncr and Hapseng.

Let me put into a new stock watch list. smile.gif

TQ hor. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2013, 04:52 PM)
Since you free... why don't compile the info then.... 1 list for 5 years straight eps/div increases and another list for 10 year... brows.gif
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Ah Gark kor kor, you got Veggie List to share or not?

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2013, 05:45 PM)
Don't forget your UTUSAN ha... wink.gif

BTW Hapseng is selling at PE 8 with DY 6%...  rclxms.gif
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Short term memory failure... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

Let me add in UTUsAN into my 555 book. sweat.gif

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post Mar 13 2013, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(Dividend Warrior @ Mar 13 2013, 06:22 PM)
I usually buy after dividend payout.
Interesting strategy! smile.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 09:13 AM

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Veggie list from CIMB. thumbup.gif

I am still waiting for Sifu Gark's list. tongue.gif

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Thursday March 14, 2013
CIMB highlights the smaller counters, with MyEG its top pick

PETALING JAYA: A handful of small cap stocks like My E.G. Services Bhd, Cypark Resources Bhd and Daibochi Plastic and Packaging Industry Bhd, are highlighted in a report by CIMB Research for reasons ranging from their defensive nature to decent dividend yields and the fact that they are considered “cheap”.

The research house also had “outperform” calls on HELP International Corp Bhd, Perisai Petroleum Teknologi Bhd, Tomypak Holdings Bhd and Xinquan International Sports Holdings Ltd.

It said the FBM Small Cap Index (SCI) had outperformed the FBM KL Composite Index (KLCI) year-to-date, a sign that the sector had discounted the most of the political risks last year.

“Our small-cap universe is trading at 7.7 times calendar year 2013 price-to-earnings (P/E), or a 48% discount to KLCI's 14.9 times. The sector usually trades at 25% to 45% discounts to the KLCI,” it added.

My E.G. Services Bhd (MyEG) emerged as CIMB Research's top pick among small caps and in the technology sector due to its defensive and recurring-income business but had underperformed SCI.

“Its recent underperformance was mainly related to general elections concerns, we feel.

“Whether or not the ruling coalition stays in power, we believe MyEG's concessions are here to stay,” said CIMB Research, adding that MyEG's capital expenditure was fully-funded by the company.

The research firm valued MyEG's target price at RM1.34 as it expected the counter to outperform the benchmark broad market.

As the only pure renewable-energy listed company in Asean and a proxy for Malaysia's mission of lowering carbon emissions by 40% from 2005 to 2020, Cypark was also an “outperform” while it also offered attractive dividend yields, according to CIMB Research.

The research house pointed out that catalysts for the counter were higher renewable-energy electricity sales and the signing of its 25-year waste-management concession in Negeri Sembilan.

CIMB Research's target price for Cypark was RM2.82 based on sum-of-parts valuation.

The research house liked Daibochi due to its 25% improved capacity by end-2013 following its expansion plans.

“Higher-than-expected exports and potentially strong sales of its new 2-layer films could catalyse the stock,” the research firm noted. Its target price is RM2.90.

Meanwhile, the research unit was bullish on HELP International's long-term outlook, with the opening of a new international school and new university campus and backed by its strong asset base.

The education group's target price of RM2.52 was unchanged at a 10% discount to “our revised net asset value,” according to CIMB Research.

For oil and gas small caps, Perisai was its top pick, with 2014 market target of 13.3 times P/E or target price of RM1.63.

The firm also said Tomypak was cheap against peers with attractive dividend yields of 6% to 7% and estimated a target price of RM2.90, which was 7.4 times 2014 P/E.

The research house anticipated China stocks on the local bourse to catch up with Chinese equity markets after the general election as Chinese equities market had rallied strongly.

“This should benefit Xingquan, which continues to trade below its RM1.13 net cash per share,” it said.


Ok! Done my hard work for the day. sweat.gif biggrin.gif

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