damn! he owes us 2 goals haha


btw, is sturridge the first liverpool player to get booked for diving this season? or did suarez beat him to it?

As the error data is available back to 2008/09, I checked all of those seasons too, and found that at most, Pepe Reina has cost Liverpool six points in four-and-a-half seasons; barely more than a point a year, in other words.

http://basstunedtored.com/2012/06/29/the-d...-of-pepe-reina/

i think some of the forumers correctly pointed out that % of save by reina had dipped. that is the other half of the concern

agger is class, and class is permanent 

Of course his class is still there but his atitude has changed. Steve never change his commitment to liverpool. It's always Red and Blood Red and nothing else for him in his head and in his heart. Same goes for us here.

But somehow for Peps, things have changed. I hope I am wrong and that he will become committed again. His defeatist attitude is worrying, Props.

He's not the same passionate Reina that we saw. Unless he is going through some personal trauma, then I would understand.

dillon said it well. i hope reina regain his form and confidence. right now he doesnt look like having or giving 100%. somehow it felt like reina is going through something, maybe all the drama in recent years had drained him...

He's not even man enough to admit his mistake and apologize for that costly error.

Poor reina. He did cost ut a lot this last 2 seasons.

But eople who are asking him to be kicked out are the one who should get some kick up their arse.

Reina could easily left us before but he stays with us especially during the hard time. Give the lad some respect! Please.

I bet after he was sold some of this shite fan will be the most sentimental. like "I missed reina, why did we sell him?".

Read, dude. Read.

I question his attitude. That's all.

This is something that had been bothering me for a while.  If this thread is pointless the mods can delete.  However, we as fans always talk about loyalty.  We talk about lack of loyalty in the modern player. We, after all, love out club and stick with it through the good and bad times.  Now personally, I don't care if players are loyal.  It is their career.  As long as they give 100% while they are here and leave in the correct manner, I'm okay with it.  In fact, to be honest, I find it slightly annoying when grown men and women whine about players leaving their club.  Grow up, it's their career.  Sure, we want the top players to play for us and love the club but it's not the reality.  If Suarez were to leave at the end of the season (I don't believe he will btw), I'll be devastated to see him go, but wish him well, as he gave everything while at the club.  He can look in the mirror and say he served us as well as he could while he was here (just as he served his previous clubs).

It is worth nothing however, that fans who hold loyalty in such high esteem, rarely return it.  Let me use Pepe Reina as an example.  If he had left us a few seasons back (when he was winning golden gloves left, right and centre) many on here would have condemned him.  I am sure many would have insulted him branding him greedy, a sell out etc.  For whatever reason, he didn't leave us.  He stayed, signed a new long term contract.  He is now going through a dip in form (maybe a permanent dip).  Some fans say he should be sold, he's past it, he's made 8 mistakes that have cost us (most fans who quote this figure can't actually name these mistakes but it doesn't matter, they read it somewhere).  He could say he showed us loyalty when the club was in a huge slump because of the two cancers.  Surely, we should show him loyalty when he is going through a slump.  However, I don't want this to be a thread about Pepe, as there is already one.  He's just an example.

This is a thread about the hypocrisy of fans, who demand total loyalty from their players, but as soon as there is a dip in form or a better player available, soon forget their own responsibility to be loyal.  We see them kiss the badge, then they leave, they we vilify them.    Now don't get me wrong.  I believe if a player is past it, they should be sold or moved on.  If a better player is available, the should replace the current one.  This is the way of football, the way it should be.  Shankly, Paisley, Dalglish were ruthless... as they should be.  However, we can't have it both ways.  If we are willing to throw players aside for the good of the club, surely they should allowed throw the club aside for the good of their careers.  Then again, everyone loves to take the high road.

So, should we demand loyalty from players, but cast them aside when they are past their best or not useful to us anymore?  Are fans any better than the millionaire players they so readily judge?

its really easy for someone to post something, but i always read the whole thread and responses whenever i can, and reading the comments and feedback i think everyone have their own legit point of argument...

but we all love the club

I will be delighted to be proven wrong. Extremely delighted. No point for me to win a debate in this. Not that i am going to get $1million pounds for guessing it correctly.

I just dont see the commanding presence like before. He can cry all he wants, I want a leader in the D area. Proper communication and instruction has to flow to ensure our mean defensive record will come back. That will nicely compliment the ever emerging attacking force that we have currently built upon. That's my point.

I say again. If his head is with us, he has to re-analyse what made us all respect and love him so much for so many years. Never once I question Gerrard and Carra's commitment. Form maybe but commitment never.

If he's crying because in his mind he is thinking "Oh my God. If Barcelona watched this game, I aint going to Nou Camp this summer"

Then that's it.

Again, he stays for the reason of wanting to stay and wanting to give his best. Back then, the Reina I know would have shouted and screamed at defenders and getting them organised.

 
Props again read selectively. LOL. I rest my case. You are right. LOL. I am very unfair to Reina. I shall sit in the corner now and redeem myself. HAHA

Echoes my sentiments exactly. Fans need to get it into their heads that while football might be just a source of entertainment for some of us, it is a career to players. Sure it's nice to have players pledge their undying loyalty to the club but which one of us stays with one company our whole lives? For those still studying, you'd understand when you join the workforce. I loved my previous job and company but I had to move on for my own benefit. I would have loved to stay but I have bills to pay and things I want to achieve in life so I left. Why should it be different for players? Just so long as they give us 100% while they are here, is all that matters to me. When I join a corporation I ask questions about where it's headed. It's the same I believe with footballers. If the club isn't going in the direction they want, than it's best to part ways.

Pepe has shown a great deal of commitment over the years. Like prophet has pointed out, he's signed new contracts despite his buddies leaving and the club being in turmoil at one point. If he wants to leave for Barca, I'd shake his hand and wish him well. It saddens me when I see comments telling him to bugger off if he isn't interested. He's been at the club some 7-8 years now and we're no closer to winning the league. If you were an employee and a company with no progress, wouldn't you be disheartened? Where is the motivation coming from? I feel we're better than that. When players show us loyalty and dedication, we reciprocate.

You can escape with your instinctive reaction, Props. Haha. I swerved and avoided a few. Lucky shot la but you get to be part of the action that saves you.

Prophetjul said Reina is committed to us
He is not leaving. Prophet can speculate. You cant argue with him. hehehehe
So no need goalkeeper la. Defender maybe. But what will Coates do ler? No chance given to him to make amend? We got Kelly who can play in Centre role also. Carra will extend his contract la if he is needed. As for wing, we got Downing, Sterling, Couts and Assaidi. Enough ler. Even Johnson and Enrique can play as Wing if need be. No need waste money la.

Give me the money better. I invest in Properties and double the income for us. hehehehe

Haha. Props, come on. That was a joke.