at that price range.. you might want to think twice about the polygon even though it has a group one grade higher than other reputable brands bike of the same price... furthermore, no one is very sure about their carbon manufacturing capabilities.. unless you are really buying it due to it's component spec, which in that case i guess is very much worth it for that price...

fulcrum racing 3 - spokes are not as expensive as R1 or R0... but at local price here of almost RM1.8k... i might be thinking of upping my limit to fit the R1 in as the R1 is stiffer with the broad aluminum spokes, not necessarily a whole lot lighter but the stiffness makes a difference if you need it.. replacement spokes on the R3 are more expensive than conventional spokes but not as bad as R1 and R0 which is over RM50 per piece...

mavic ksyrium elite - would be the most sensible wheel for the price paid, spoke replacement might be a worry if you don't have a mavic shop nearby and it might not be as cheap as normal spoke although not exorbitant in price. I think price of SLS (SL is no longer available in 2013 range i believe) might be out of question unless you are willing to increase until beyond RM2k...

campy zonda - problem of having to invest in an extra shimano freehub if your shop does not have one already built with shimano freehub (which they are mostly not) due to it being built for riders running campy components, quite light but not worth price paid

shimano c24 - don't think a new set is within your budget... the ones we see sold at RM1k - RM1.5k on BBS are stolen sets from shimano factory in johor. New ones especially C24 is much more than that....straight pull spokes reportedly weak with bulky riders and a pain to replace... not sure because of availability or price... for KL, it is both...

ea 90sl - reportedly a very tough wheel with 28r/24f spoking and quite feathery, heard of problems with the hub end cap tension adjustment... but not sure if it is true... and for the price of over 700 USD... makes you consider alternative options

the best is to know if the wheelset is well supported nearby or the shop you visit since lightweight wheelset tend to be less durable and you might want to be mentally prepared when shit happens... spoke breakages are more common in people who don't take care of their wheels... dented rims would mean immediate death, unless your shop stock up on replacement parts.. bearings would be the last to go and mostly due to natural reasons...

i think it is safe to say any of your listed wheels are confirmed a better than your alex wheels... in terms of both rolling resistance and also spin up rate...aero characteristics i would not demand much since no alloy wheels have more than 30 mm of height or it will be massively heavy and negate the purpose of the upgrade in the first place... and 30mm might not make much difference compared to a 24mm model...crosswind wise, unless you have some 404 or 808 type of height, i don't think it's a worry or safe to say you won't become another andy schleck...you might have to put some thoughts on what you prioritize...lightweight or aero? the unfortunate thing is alloy wheels will always not be aero...

or you can look into SRAM S30 wheels as it has torroidal shape copied from old zipps... if it is still around...

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 18 2013, 11:20 AM

but he yolk is in aussie rite... and i think the S series wheels got axed from SRAM lineup as it no longer appears on the SRAM site...

S60 and the carbon models is replaced by the so called "cheaper" zipp lineups.

my info can be wrong too... maybe the sram site is just poorly maintained... very evidently as the SRAM Professional cables are still being sold but nowhere to be found on the site...

ehh... maybe some velocity??? aussie ma... must be proud of aussie products

why will you be burnt??? cause you are a witch???

apa lar... there is days to be serious and days to c0ck around.... c0ck shop will re-open after CNY day 15... must rack up some good boy point this 15 days to counter my past 2012 sins... hahahah

builders is none existent... whether reliable or not...

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 18 2013, 12:19 PM

maybe it's mad cow disease...

or new year new resolution of plastering threads with wall of text...

or just the 28th day of the month...

uhhrrr... i don't get how they can build some ambrosio and ck combo but you still have to come up with the parts myself? have to buy spokes and nipples... isn't that a weird arrangement?

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 18 2013, 12:23 PM

that veird...

it's like buying a car and they ask you to bring your own wheels...

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 18 2013, 12:26 PM

No, i now work for velonews... and they have a strict "no c0cking and BS" rule...

or maybe i was abducted and harnessed by those overlords from falling skies and you are in fact talking to aliens who watch the tour de france...

wat does the reproductive organs have to do with toughness... either one is equally fragile....

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 18 2013, 12:34 PM

doesn't that mean we have to bring our ambrosio rims and ck hubs as well?

there goes my good boy points...

you sounded more like they provided the rims and hubs but not the spoke... or maybe, it's just me...

yes, i mean you can't get the old ones anyways... so it's the new ones that has the C35 in the line up and the price has not wavered since a couple of years back... it is a good wheel, but just not nifty enough to get people's attention like the more zingy zipps, reynolds, and the likes...

wow, you sure you want to get such an expensive wheel to commute??? a tree branch up your spokes and it will be catastrophic... maybe you can look into getting one more cassette and maintaining your alex wheels for commuting and the other set for more serious riding...

workmanship i won't worry as they can't slaughter you on wheel truing, or can't slaughter you much... and low spoke count is the way to go nowadays, unfortunately... you just have to go with the trend or live in the shadow...

yeah, pro-lite is supposedly a very cheap wheel...but if we buy it via ebay.. the shipping charges included lets us think of more expensive wheels...

can't i be a little kid that sounded a little more mature than my age??? furthermore, i am harnessed rite... age has nothing to do with me since i am remote controlled...

i don't see any reason to get you a pinarello? i don't gain my points through you.. i gain it through my angelic actions... which was obliterated the moment i click on this thread...

I give you another what if.

Buy the 404 FC, SRAM Red 2013 and install it on your Mirinda.

Save for another 1 year or 2, buy an S-works frame and transfer all of it over.

Only problem? You might not get to use BB30 crank or you can buy a new BB30 crank.

But if you want perfection, ride what you have for another year or so and plant everything into the spez + 404 + Red with full carbon cockpit. I think under 25k should solve all your needs.

Furthermore, you might be shocked that you won't be reducing massive amounts of weight on that setup. Maybe just dipping slightly below 7KG if that is gonna happen?

The 404 FC Tubs is gonna save like what, 200 grams from your current FR0... carbon clincher even worst, around 20 odd grams. Yes, there is aero advantages to it but from a weight weenie's perspective, a little too little.

And the move from 105 to Red might shave like 700 grams of weight off your bike. Not even a complete kilo combining both.

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 18 2013, 05:20 PM

all ceramics have to do that lar...and you need specific ceramic lube which is included with the blackbox bearings upon first installation and during your servicing intervals (if possible)

i never really service my set much and it is still running despite the abuse...

you can't blame them for being detailed about servicing rite... they do you say fussy, don't do you say irresponsible... haha

me too... if money permits...

and change ceramic speed bearings

yeah... it's not much and you might not feel it except when putting it on scales... but you don't build your bike to lift and put on scales only do you?

if comparing with the tub 404... not sure how much difference the FR0 makes...it might be only marginal in the acceleration dept.

i guess it would be a solid plan unless you are finicky about hanging only and only new parts on new frame...

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 18 2013, 06:20 PM

miao... this is definitely a must buy for you

guestimation yes... idea no...

won't be cheap.. price is already set at 1k usd msrp...

www.amclassic.com/en/prices.php

un? ultra nincompoop???

me and charity is like oil and water...can never mix

un-applicable because this is not a sex addiction thread...

everyone has that selfless giving moment in their lives however brief it is, it is just a matter of when and who...

i guess the man finally understand that you never really know your regrets until you trully regret it... which is why you can't turn back time...

maybe it is not as expensive here for some weird reasons? american classic wheels has always been expensive... even the one i was interested in was a tad over rm1.8k i remember

wats with you and looks....

the wattage savings is not something you can see on power meters readouts or just too little to notice... it's just a calculation made from calculating the resistance different parts make...

i am not sure if the 404 will carry forward momentum better than the fr0...but i can say that the tub ones are pretty punchy for a tall rim in my opinion when i tried it out sometime end last year, was quite surprised in fact...haven't try 202s before, but plant it next to my wheel...it'll put it to shame definitely without looking at the $$$...

i think spez would be launching the new tarmac models this year since it has been 2 years by the time the tour comes this year... i remember it was launched short of the 2011 tour and alberto chose not to ride the sl4 back then and only gotten in 5th that year coming from an exhaustive giro win...

go for the red then... the crank is the only problem i see migrating it to the tarma if you trully want a stiffer bb30 crank on the tarmac, but then again, not something money can't solve or you end up running sworks fact cranks

le ol saying goes "watever yanks your chain, dude"

SL5, possibly... wat garmin stuff... they launched the new x10 models already... it can't be so fast there is another iteration of products....

well, that is a 100 dollar question... both FC and Red 2012 was launched some time not too long ago and i don't see any new versions popping up soon...most likely Zipp will flinch first if it happens as Red historically have lasted a long time before 2012 model came along...

the other thing to keep in mind is the crank... if you get the Red now... you will be stuck with a GXP 24mm spindle external cup BB while you can choose whatever fits your future frame if you get it later...

then to further complicate shit up... you have a very good wheel now... so, it doesn't make much sense to get another wheel while the jump from 105 to Red lets you see some improvements at least....

isn't life complicated?

did i ever say i was a human??? no need sleep...

although i only have limited processing power and memory allocation... i could only focus on certain parts of the internet...

This post has been edited by butthead: Feb 19 2013, 09:54 AM

is saving AUD 20 per day not a lot??? sounds like a lot to me... or maybe because in my mind i convert the currency...

if it is a car door... i would have more worries than just the wheel alone..

anyways... get what you can afford... jake gyllenhall would not cringe at destroying a set of zipp because he can afford to stock multiple sets in his home garage.. heck, he might even change it just because of a tiny scratch that damage the zipp stickers....

but, you and me have to think twice on buying expensive gear to abuse....let alone to commute... and maybe leaving it under the sun or to the thieves..

well, i am always a skeptic of bike fit... unless you know certain things that you can pinpoint or want to correct (like a bad back on long riding days)... going to a fitter would be pointless... since you have no objective and you end up just listen to depending on how you view it... advise / BS