1. Monash University standard is higher than in University of Nottingham. debatable

2. Monash University provide more difficult coursework compared to University of Nottingham.
subjective. I bet people from Monash said that. Some say Nottingham, due to early specialisation, 1st yr stuff is done in Monash's 2nd year.

3. Degree in UK (Nottingham) gets better professional recognition than degree in Australia. (from a forum post Honours vs Non-Honours ) debatable

4. In The Star newspaper published on 30/1/2013, D-SETARA results were released and it shows that Monash University has a better tier than University of Nottingham in Engineering. (Source from NST)
The rating is only a guide, not to be taken seriously. What matters more is the recognition by the Malaysia Board of Engineers. Both are equally recognized.


Both are reputable unis.
The more important consideration are the location and study environment, which do you prefer?

the masters in nottingham is not a real research masters.... all 4 year courses in the UK has a 'master' degree to it. if you want to get registered by BOE malaysia you have to do 4 years.. same like Australia.. just that the title would be a bachelor's degree..

yes. different. but it is viewed as the same. in the malaysian context it doesn't really matter.

Recent intakes have indicated that more students prefer Nottingham than Monash as far as business courses are concerned.

One of the reasons could be recent exam results showed that some subjects have failure rate of up to 40%.

Some prefer quality but when too many fail, new students prefer alternative places where chances of passing are perceived to be easier. Resitting any paper is not cheap. It can be all dollars and cents.

yes you would get an MEng title. But it is not equivalent to a 1.5-2 years post graduate Masters program. You don't do the same thing in Monash. Once you graduate from your degree you can opt do an honours year. If you get first class or so you can jump right into PhD or continue Masters.

Yes you are right. However in terms on employment in Malaysia, both are viewed as equal. Some even just do 3 years in engineering in UK (and you graduate with a BEng degree) because they are not bothered with getting registered with BEM. Post graduate is another story though.

There could be a simpler explanation for that, for business courses at least. If I'm not mistaken, Nottingham Malaysia's entry requirements are typically BBB for A-levels or an ATAR of 86 for SAM. Meanwhile Monash Sunway's entry requirements are CDD for A-levels or an ATAR of 70 for SAM.

This is a huge difference and I would assume that the students marginally meeting the entry requirements for  Monash would account for the majority of these subject failures. But it is true, failure rates are high although the papers may not be the hardest ever written. I would not know how Nottingham compares based on depth or difficulty though.

lol i hv friends who failed alvls (3Us) and took a foundation course in nottingham then proceeded to degree. talk about quality

May I know which campus did you do your Sam in? I'm also a Sam student from taylors college.. Currently registered to monash for business already

The minimum requirements in the university websites are just that....even some very good schools are not following theirs.

Just found out  Imperial College is not following its high requirement of at least a*aaa/a*a*a in engineering for foreign students.
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Thanks,it is true. Some eng courses are as low as aab for BEng in IC.

Notice no more Eng Jan/Feb entry for Nott malaysia although accounting is still available.

sorry i might sound bias, i declare i am the TS of the monash thread, a monash alumni and currently doing post grad at another aus uni

2. nott's master is an undergrad one where else mon's master is a post grad one just like other parts of the world..
Noted~ 

1. standard of what? students? staff? campus? facilities? if u talk about ranking then marginally mon is higher
Well.. I'm talking about the education quality but someone had already mentioned that the quality is basically equal among the 2 universities. 

2. i had not been through nott's curriculum or any of its courses but i can say their grads are top notch too, just like those from monash

3. well, in general yes, UK's top tier schools are better than aus.. but nott is not a top tier.. it is 2nd tier in UK, monash is 1st tier in aus
Haha that sounded biased but according to some research I've made, it's true that Nottingham University is 2nd tier in UK while Monash is 1st tier in Australia.


i would say any of these schools are great by msian standards, easily the top 2 colleges.. if u ask me, it is depending on what you want.. a school in the city or in the outskirts...
So judging by what you said, both are totally equal and it all depends on the student's convenience?

Yes its Bachelors. that's why some people say its cheaper to study in the UK than Australia because you only need 3 years if you don't give a damn about BEM registration.

Haha, being a university from the UK does not automatically mean it has a higher standard of education.

I feel that the failure rate is not the drawback but rather, the consequence of the low entry requirements set by Monash, possible to attract more students. However, it does mean that there is still a sort of quality control within the course where students who under-perform will still be failed; the low entry requirements simply offer an opportunity to prove yourself. Then again, only the toughest subjects would have such failure rates.

Hey bro, I had this dilemma when I was choosing whether to go to Nottingham or Monash Uni.
At the end, I pick Monash over Nottingham due to campus location and scholarship. (Monash USED to have Merit Scholarship in the form of 50% and 100% tuition fees waiver)
Both universities are good, so either way, you will be fine.

Australian BEng and UK BEng is different in the sense that BEM does recognize UK BEng as it is a 3 years course.
You will not be able to obtain IR status with it, you will have to go for MEng.
Work wise, employers will still employ someone with a UK BEng.

If TS is still hanging around, here's my insights about the MEng/MSc, BEng and all those sort of thing.

If you intend to spend least time (and cost) and don't care about accreditation (which is admittedly not really practised in our industry), 3-years BEng is extremely effective to get to work fast with a good degree - not that anything you learn in the degree will be extremely useful to your work.

Why care about MEng then? Because it adds another year of content, mainly high-level modules exclusive to MSc students and make it into 4 years in length to meet the requirement for 4-years accreditation across the globe now. Is it an MSc? Nope, it's not - it's not meant to produce researcher, but rather an engineer, an accredited one.

MEng vs MSc, what's the difference? The modules taken are mostly the same (at least in Nottingham - Malaysia or UK) but MEng undertake an extra group project which aims to train student in handling and managing projects as it is the case in the industry (PR talk la, but actually YMMV). MEng also makes a 3-month industrial placement compulsory. On one hand it is said to prepare you better for industry but I would say it's just trying to meeting the additional requirement for accreditation only.
MSc, meanwhile, apart from those taught modules similar to MEng (except for one or two that aims to prepare you for research), it has a summer research project, which is individual and worth 1/3 of your mark.

Note though, MSc is a taught/coursework postgraduate Master's. Entirely different thing if you talk about research postgraduate.

For the Australian side, they offer 4 years BEng which is standard case, as you see it offered in Malaysia, Singapore etc. as well. At first glance, you may think 4-year Aus BEng and 4-year UK MEng are the same - but yes ONLY about accreditation. Academic wise, you could see the 1st year of Australian degree usually covers general stuff, where 1st year of UK degree pushes specialised content already. That might explain why UK could afford graduating BEng with 3-years time but took 4-years for Australia. And there doesn't seem to be problems for UK BEng graduates in looking for jobs in Malaysia. And since the additional taught modules for the extra year in MEng are actually being conducted for MSc students as well, I suppose you can say MEng is a notch higher than BEng (Aus or UK). Unless somebody will want to say MSc's modules are of undergrad quality (seriously, anyone?).

So, while MEng is an undergrad Master's, it's certainly more than an undergrad Bachelor, not to mention a slightly more handsome starting pay you have as well (comparing Nott's BEng and MEng. I have no figures for other unis to verify.)

EDIT: And if the D-Setara makes sense, please choose between Monash or UTAR as Nottingham is a tier lower already.

UK routes:

BEng-->Meng--> more suitable for working
BEng--> Msc---->Ideal if you want to go to Phd