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post Jan 26 2013, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(jackdon @ Jan 26 2013, 05:42 PM)
pyan09,

That is great to hear that you get a free replacement, I notice on Amazon Poetic Borderline Bumper review that the so call new version also have some with that issue but very much less. I do hope those bulk order does not have any problem else they will have to send it back for a replacement.

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Yeap hotspot first batch is rev 1,2nd batch is rev 2 according to their fb.

Latest info from xda is rev 2 is having peeling issue too,just a bit longer for it to happen.poetic is coming with rev 3.

I have ordered one rev 2 grey from racerx. Might hold off my purchase of they yellow one till i get feedbacks on rev 3, even though it comes with 3 years warranty,i rather wait for a good product rather than keep on asking for replacement. Hopefully they fix it for real tjis time.

Lg bumper is thicker than poetic, i already like how thinthe n4 is.
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QUOTE(Racerx @ Jan 26 2013, 08:10 PM)
So guys,do you calibrate the screen on your n4? Did it become better?
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Much much better. Can try trickster mod to change it. remember to click the tick button to apply the settings
QUOTE(haru88 @ Jan 26 2013, 07:18 PM)
guys, what market unlocker / enabler do urs use?
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I use market enabler v3.1.1.2 i think it is open source. Got it from a page in code.google.com i'll share the link here if i found it. But searching for that version should give you the appropriate code.google.com website.
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QUOTE(Scavia @ Jan 27 2013, 03:40 AM)
Hey guys, if i buy from digi they will except any trade in? Or must pay full. I want switch from gnex to n4. So the full price for youth is only rm1299 without contract.?
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i dont think they'll accept trade in. do check the price that a shop might offer you for your nexus versus the market price in Mudah. if you want to sell at mudah, i suggest you to sell at a lower price than the price in mudah, you'll have a higher chance of selling it quickly. regarding the price, check the OP, someone shared the detail there. or use search for this thread or the thread before.
QUOTE(pyan09 @ Jan 27 2013, 03:41 AM)
50gb of storage is not new. The disappointing fact is the upload limit. You have to pay to unlock it.
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most of these 50GB services are like that. which is why I no longer pay attention to these services unless there is one with no file size limit. I am happy to stay with my Dropbox that has 26GB free for life. each year you can get additional 1 GB free for life if you complete the dropquest. just wait two weeks into the game, and look for a dropbox user that shares the steps for the dropquest, they normally share it in a Gdocs word file.

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QUOTE(basSist @ Jan 27 2013, 03:08 PM)
went on bed at 2am something, wake up at 930am

battery drained from 97% to 89-88%.. off WiFi, off 3G (Data) .. ish 1%/hour in deepsleep..  cry.gif

[attachmentid=3283493] [attachmentid=3283495]
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BBS cakap apa? mine with data on is 0.7%/h when i sleep.
QUOTE(teckyang97 @ Jan 27 2013, 03:17 PM)
Its already expect from nexus
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thanks for the PM!hopefully you'll hear from my friend soon.

and no, Nexus 4 can do better than that. mine is lower when it is in deep sleep. use BBS to find out the culprit. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(arslow @ Jan 27 2013, 07:28 PM)
hmm, when i was with ,axis last time, i can never see yellow or white lol, always green sweat.gif
so jst try airplane mode ans check BBS when your phone left 10% or so. make sure u dont connect to charger or PC while using from 100% to 10%, or else the BBS stats no point dy smile.gif
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no. the proper way of using BBS is to follow the instruction in the OP. it is at the end of the first post.

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Generally a dump "since unplugged" is better than "since charged". When you start your analysis make sure to follow following procedure:
- plug/unplug the charger
- leave the phone alone 1-4 hours
- save a dump and check that the chapters "Kernel wakelocks" and "alarms" (if you have root) are populated
- Post the dump as attachement


summary
1. get latest stable version and enable the root features if you are rooted. go to settings, advanced and tick the unticked boxes
2. best to get a reading when it is idle.
3. charge your phone like normal before you sleep, pick the 'since unplugged option'
4. unplug the phone from the charger and leave it untouched till you wake up tomorrow.
5. create a dumpfile first thing when you wake up.

this idle time can also be any other time that you can leave the phone on idle for a long period of time. four hours is the recommended period.

now analyze what is wasting your battery from the dumpfile. you can learn about it from the original thread and share your dumpfile there for advise. the idea is to get the right balance between features you want and battery life. nod.gif
QUOTE(Roan-Doppel @ Jan 27 2013, 07:57 PM)
haha, I've been silent reader the whole day XD, btw wats ur average Data usage? (without streaming of course), because right now I'm using Maxis Postpaid, but not sure which data plan suitable for N4. and you know, if exceed, Maxis will for sure suck dry my money =-='. If the data use is high, I might considering change to umobile maybe
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any provider can be the best provider for you if they have the right package for you. track your usage using call meter 3G or other similar apps for a month or so with normal usage.

from this info, pick a plan from a provider that you think fits your monthly usage icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Kazz123 @ Jan 27 2013, 10:06 PM)
I Dun think I use that much on WiFi either... You are one heavy user bro. Hahahha..
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from the data usage feature built in to android, in the last 9 days, i have used 83MB on mobile data, and 10.23GB on wifi tongue.gif

i restrict a lot off apps from using background data on mobile data (using the built in feature, search in previous thread on how to). and i use a lot of pre-fetch and caching feature when the phone is plugged in to a charger and connected to wifi. play store also is set to update on wifi only. Youtube, google reader, pocket, G+ instant upload and play music prefetch the stuffs on wifi + connected to charger only.

talking about play music, i forgot to post on how to bypass the region restriction tongue.gif ! will write it out and post it when i am free icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(zero_hour @ Jan 28 2013, 12:05 AM)
hmm,even juice defender ultimate cannot solved my battery drain issue sad.gif
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actually, most of the folks in bbs thread don't really recommend on using JD. have you tried creating an idle dumpfile with BBS and analyse it? installing an app that tells you it can save your battery won't solve all the problem. which is why the dumpfile from BBS is more useful as it provide in depth data of your drain. there might be some apps that are not playing nice and keeping a wakelock. search for my previous post on how to use BBS.
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Jan 28 2013, 12:14 AM)
is not the quad core that eat battery during 3g surfing

is the wireless connection that eats alot of battery.....isnt the phone is quad or dual
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true, most of the time when i am browsing instagram, reading xda on phones, or light stuffs, only two or single core is used, and they automatically scale at low freq for these light usage. no additional setting required

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QUOTE(goliath @ Jan 28 2013, 01:21 AM)
True enough. I've begin to realise that I'm using my current phone more for internet and less for gaming and etc. Or maybe I'm just not into gaming anymore. Perhaps, listening to music takes the second spot after internet surfing.

But hey, thanks for sharing your experience! biggrin.gif
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do you have a big music library? I have moved mine to the cloud. i only use the itunes to manage the files that i keep locally on the PC. 20GB of songs, all in the cloud. that is one way to save your precious storage. actually, it'll be better if you can tell us the breakdown of your iphone usage. what are the main things that take the biggest space in your phone?
QUOTE(zhinigami @ Jan 28 2013, 02:42 AM)
hello, am i the only one thinking that nexus 4 price in M'sia is more expensive compare to other euro country?

N4 is in one of my consideration.. but kinda worry about the build-in battery, if touchwood batter not ok then hard to replace as usual phone. No external sd memory card is also one of the con for me.

How u guys say?
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regarding storage, refer my post above about moving to cloud. you'll get a better answer if you were to describe your current storage breakdown in your current phone. what are your main use of those storage? apps, games music videos etc? how much storage have you used up now?

. regarding the price, which price are you comparing with? play store or brick retail shop?

see, this whole pricing shebang is not that simple. we can all argue that play store is cheaper. thing is when you check the serial number and decode your IMEI using the site posted at XDA you'll see different order code by different companies of different countries. now why is that?

firstly, Google is not the sole distributor of Nexus 4. we have various distribution channels for Nexus as per the different order code.

play store channel - Google's intention is to make the device as affordable as possible because their main revenue is not from selling our beloved Nexus 4, it is from the potential revenue from those apps, movies, musics that people purchase with the Nexus 4. not to forget ads too. El Goog makes money from consumption.

other channel(telco like Digi, media markt in Germany, retail stores, distributors etc) - their main revenue is from selling those hardware itself. and they are not getting their stock from Google, they are ordering them directly from LG HQ( wherever that is. hence the different order code). they won't make money from those media consumption like Google, they will definitely sell the Nexus 4 at a higher price than the Play Store because that is the only they are going to make money.

now, we don't have a play store in our country yet, so we are under the other distribution channel. we won't be getting play store's price.

decoding the local IMEI also show a MYS tag and MALAYSIA tag AMYSBK tag instead of the usual play store tag.

but, we do have a choice. you can either purchase a local set with full local warranty or AP set with AP warranty, or import from a country that has play store for Nexus 4 at a cheaper price, but you have to handle all the warranty matters from those countries too (LG does not provide international warranty)

p/s: 1. all these are just from my understanding on how these different companies make their money. it is the likeliest explanation that i could think of.

2. please excuse my grammatical mistakes in this post. I will clean it up tomorrow or whenever i am free.

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QUOTE(goliath @ Jan 28 2013, 09:50 AM)
Majority of the disk space used in my iPhone consists of app (more of games). Another chunk goes to songs which I hardly listen to all of them. Then again, lately, I've been using more for internet than any other tasks. So, 16GB might be sufficient but as usual, it's that gut feeling...

Another question, in terms of syncing apps/settings (especially when you do hard reset/restore to factory settings), do we need to reconfigure the phone and download the apps one by one again or we could sync from backup file? I'm not sure how Android works and so, pardon me for the limited knowledge.
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this is one of the many perks of rooting, titanium backup. search in previous thread about titanium backup or google to learn more.
QUOTE(monked @ Jan 28 2013, 09:53 AM)
guys any to solve "msm_hsic_host"? This is highest in my bbs
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QUOTE(basSist @ Jan 28 2013, 11:24 AM)
i got this as highest in my bbs as well. will upload a complete screen shot for sifu to help check here.
please check here..
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use a kernel that has the hsic wakelock patch. there are many to choose from. harsh, motley, thracemerin. if you want to maintain a very close to stock kernel, then use thracemerin's one.
QUOTE(wailing81 @ Jan 28 2013, 10:34 AM)
can i still use titanium backup with root only but not bootloader unlock?
smartph newbie here
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you need to unlock bootloader to root. you can however keep being at the rooted state and lock your bootloader if you are concerned about security.
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QUOTE(basSist @ Jan 28 2013, 01:30 PM)
azrash

here is my dump file.. could you help me to check it out?

[attachmentid=3284886]
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hi bassist, i realized you posted it in XDA too. i concur with them regarding the hsic and ebay.

what kernel are you using now? the thracemerin kernel is very close to stock if you are still using a stock ROM. you can revert to the original kernel with the stock kernel reset zip posted by motley or faux(motley said his reset zip file is more thorough though) a kernel with hsic wakelock patch should reduce this wakelock. harsh and motley have them too, not sure about others

i am not sure why GoSMS is waking your device a lot, is there a setting that triggers this? mine didnt wake my device.

ebay is not playing nice from what i have read, you might want to check the setting and look for a setting regarding polling interval or similar, and use a longer interval instead. other than that, your phone looks pretty normal. cleaner than mine tbh. so it might be because of ebay (400 plus wake up in 7 hours is a lot)
QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jan 28 2013, 04:54 PM)
i'm not quite sure whether u need the confirmation email for it, my bro got the confirmation letter just afer 1 day (after application), but my wife doesn't receive it yet, the email she received isn't the confirmation letter like my bro's, but it says to bring the email (that includes her info) when wants to buy the phone.  really confusing.  she hasn't bought it yet.
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dont wait for the email, mine took two weeks before getting the email. i got the email after i went to DiGi. Just save the confirmation page and print it out. it should work.
QUOTE(kuntakinte @ Jan 28 2013, 06:18 PM)
Thanks uncle Benny

After reading a little bit more about unlocking bootloaders, I've decided not to proceed due to security concerns

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1898664

Since I perform online banking and some sensitive work related transactions on my mobile and tablet, I better be safe than sorry.
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which is why the poster of the thread recommended using bootunlocker+stock recovery after rooting. would like to know what are you looking for from rooting?
QUOTE(sophan @ Jan 28 2013, 07:10 PM)
just install Smart Launcher .

What i like about this launcher is apps drawer is organized by categories. No need to make folders anymore.  rclxms.gif

Highly recommended to anyone who love simplistic ui and organization.
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saya guna AppDialer by C.C.P cre@ions i hardly use my app drawer or folder now.

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QUOTE(olygopoly @ Jan 28 2013, 07:44 PM)
Been finnding ways to krganize my app. Mayb can try these
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not an organiser though. it is like a T9 dialer, but for apps;. i got tired of organising my apps. (i have a lot of apps, and i have not fully restored my other apps from Titanium) so AppDialer works for me. smart launcher is good too. used to use a similar app called AppOrganiser

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QUOTE(kuntakinte @ Jan 28 2013, 08:01 PM)
Was contemplating those neat tweaks available to rooted users.

Further reading on unlocking bootloader risks also reveal that malicious code can be planted to alter bootup sequence or boot certain apps to steal passwords, for example.  But this risk usually applies to apps installed outside of play store or custom roms not adequately used or verified by the user community.

Looks like will stick to stock for now since the device is being used for work and online banking.  Maybe get an 8gb or used 16gb to satisfy my craving for time being
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yeap, which is why i use bootunlocker + stock recovery once i am done flashing my ROM+kernel. bootunlocker will re lock the bootloader. if someone want to gain access, unlocking the bootloader will wipe my device.

online banking apps are smart enough to remove cache files during exit, so i wont worry much about that. you are more likely to be hacked from connecting to a public non secure wifi than from a hacker gaining physical access to your device. most thieves are just going to steal your device and sell it for a quick cash, they won't go to the length of accessng your phone's data. most of the shops will just flash a stock image too.

However, if you are working in a sensitive environment whereby your device might be targeted for data theft, i suggest you to keep fully stock, bootloader locked as well. when installing for apps, look for permissions that those apps are looking for. your IT deparment might have more info on how to secure your device (encryption etc) if they are well versed on security. Else, you can Google for how to secure your device for a sensitive environment. i do advise you to assess their recommendation, not all websites provide good recommendation.

I just like to know my device is secure. i do not work in a sensitive environment, but pretty sensitive about my privacy. right now, i am rooted with CM. using bootunlocker(my bootloader is locked) + stock recovery + OpenPdroid + AFWall + Cerberus to secure my device.

Cerberus is a good anti theft app. paid app, but worth it i'd say.

open pdroid allows you to limit the access that apps request. i block FB's tonnes of unnecessary permision request
QUOTE(olygopoly @ Jan 28 2013, 06:25 PM)
whoah dis make me worries since i already rooted but didnt lock back the bootlader (can see the lock image while booting unlock).



maybe i should lock it back  rclxub.gif
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refer my reply above on common thieves. for average usercase, unlocking the bootloader won't cause you harm. are you working in a highly sensitive environment?
QUOTE(basSist @ Jan 28 2013, 08:40 PM)
azrash

thanks for suggestions about the kernel, will try it.

about the GoSMS, maybe i accidently enable the GoChat last night before went to bed.. bout the eBay.. for my previous G.Nexus i also had ebay on my phone but it didnt drain that much battery %. the hsic host really a culprit there.
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yeap, just try doing those two and check the BBS stats again.

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jan 28 2013, 09:40 PM)
Without adb, things will get complicated depending how badly I want data in your /data partition, which will contains keys for your Google/FB/Tweeter accounts, etc. Easiest to brute force your lock screen, dont need SIM PIN.

Worst case, I will unlock your phone, it may wipe your /data (some OEM phone actually will not wipe your /data) but attempt to recover the partitions later. It's just like recovering deleted files in ext4 FS in Linux.

Just don't lose your phone.
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kekeke. i think windows users are not aware that people can just access their device without having to hack their login info. just a liveusb would do blink.gif

but seriously guys, if you are not working in a highly sensitive environment , unlocking the bootloader and keeping it unlocked is relatively safe. security risk is always there, even when you are fully stock, fully locked etc.
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QUOTE(kuntakinte @ Jan 28 2013, 10:25 PM)
From what I read, the biggest risk to unlocked bootloader is that if you had inadvertently installed a third party apk or custom rom that contains some malicious code which alters your boot sequence or install apps that plant codes example keyloggers that log your password as you type, then you're screwed. You don't even need to lose your phone in this case.
Anyway, as mentioned, best is if one is using it for work, then advisable to just remain stock
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XDA has recommends ROM developers to honour GPL. so if you stick with ROMs that have their sources open, you should be safer. CM AOKP and most other ROMs are adhering to this.

installing apk from an unknown or unverified sources is definitely more unsafe than the ones in play store.

again, security risk exists in any configuration. but yeah, stock + encrypt is safer for highly sensitive environment. hope you'll get another set to play around! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tcmean @ Jan 28 2013, 11:34 PM)
iPmart price has increased already..
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might as well purchase from Senheng + plusone to get the additional 1 year warranty.
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QUOTE(yisien @ Jan 29 2013, 01:39 AM)
@azrash

Can help me check on my dump files also?
from what i see, the msm_hsic_host is the main cause.
is there any other causes that i missed out?
Thanks!  biggrin.gif
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from my initial reading, yeap hsic it is. Read my reply to bassist on what kind of kernel to get. just look for a kernel that have the patch. kernel choice is very subjective. pick your poison.

Also you are rooted,enable alarms and network view. Search for my previous post on how to use bbs, there is a guide to enable these. Btw, it seems fine though. try snother patched kernel and do another idle test, If there is still some high amount of the device being awake, share the dumpfile here. If there isnt, you are good to go, just enjoy the phone.

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QUOTE(RcykZai @ Jan 29 2013, 03:25 AM)
hi guys,i want to ask, nexus 4 advantage is that it will receive first and most updated firmware from google android right? what about future, lets say 1-2  years, will it still get updated? or it will update to max point where the firmware reached hardware specs can handle?
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i'll give you an example. Nexus S, the second Nexus device was launched with 2.3 Gingerbread. The last official update it received was 4.1.2 Jelly Bean. After market update already has the device running with 4.2.1 from CM AOKP, even AOSP based ROMs.
QUOTE(wayz @ Jan 29 2013, 11:48 AM)
About 6 hours. If i put the screen off for few hours it also drain 2 to 5%. I not sure is this normal. In the morning 8am battery 95% I on and off using with data plan and just whatsapp, the battery now show only 50%.
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there might be something that is holding wakelocks. use BBS to find out. changing kernel doesn't necessarily give a better result if there is some apps holding wakelocks.
QUOTE(Harddisk @ Jan 29 2013, 12:09 PM)
Finally, found a faster line, but this is not a place I'd hangout at just for the sake of the faster connection
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parking basement? whoa, they must have placed some internal antenna to boost the signal. DiGi did the same thing at my previous college, they had the whole college wired up.
QUOTE(basSist @ Jan 29 2013, 12:16 PM)
azrash

this is my today's BBS dump file. the ebay and GoSMS seems pretty okay now. (i used autorun manager (free) to disable all the ebay app's receivers and log off the GoChat)

but the battery still maintain at roughly 1.2-1.4%drain/hour. Can see that the hsci host wakelock really give trouble to N4 now.

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tbh, your setup should have a lower drain than mine. My alarms and wakelocks are much much dirtier than yours. is wifi not available at your place? or does it wake your device more? that might be a factor too. mine is on wifi for the 0.5-0.7 drain. with wifi, my hsic wake lock is 50s. tbh, for a full on data usage, your hsic wakelock can be considered very good already compared to the previous dumpfile.
sophan iinm, you are using a Diztronic TPU case right? does it play nice with the SP? are the buttons easier/harder to press with the TPU covering them?

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QUOTE(nestahng @ Jan 29 2013, 10:53 PM)
Hi sifus,

I plan to sign up for Digi zero contract for n4. What's the cheapest price? Based on my calculation, I can now get the phone from them the cheapest at RM1499 + RM68(first month) + RM100(terminate before 3 months) = RM1667. As I saw earlier there's prepaid for this, does it work out to be cheaper than RM1667?
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it has been said before that the prepaid option received by syahbi is due to an error made by the DiGi staff. He and his friend got lucky!

The zero contract option is cheaper if you can use the SKMM rebate. By the way, if you are looking to terminate it and not use the SKMM rebate, why don't you get it at off contract price of 1649 at Hotspot or Senheng / SenQ?
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tested my battery life today. on a portable hotspot (from my Desire Z, have to finish those Digi 5GB somehow eh) around 5 hours on that, then wifi at home with heavy usage.

screen on time roughly 5 hours plus.

not exactly the best, but pretty satisfied.

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have not tested a full 3G usage yet. perhaps some other day.

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