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post Jan 20 2013, 03:21 PM

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For dividend investing, what is the minimum number of counters one should have in the basket? Of course I know there's no hard and fast standard, just wanna hear some ideas smile.gif
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post Jan 21 2013, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jan 21 2013, 04:11 AM)
This is a frequently ask question that has been discussed massively and always come back one way or another. Looks like it's always frustrating.  tongue.gif

Everyone has their own "theory" or opinion. For me today, I just think this.
It depends on:
1. How big is the investment. The bigger the money, the bigger the range of possible number of stocks to hold.
2. How many stocks that you can find are hard to resist and so damn want to buy and keep. If there is very few, then no point to "simply" buy many.

My take on Bursa, I think I can find 20 or so that I may wish to buy and hold. But I will try to keep the max at 25 so that it won't be too tired to keep track on so many companies businesses. However, look for a few companies with similar business model and condition may make the task a little easier.  laugh.gif

So now gets down to how much the capital is.
Below $3000, I'd suggest don't buy any stock yet. Save until $3000 only start to invest on the very first stock.
From there on, every 5000 increment may invest on one new stock (if there is any attractive stock you found) but keep it slow.
And this is also because I recommend the best way is to buy in few batches (I like it 3 to 5 batches) simply because we never know when is the best price to buy/sell.

Just sharing some thoughts.  biggrin.gif
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Because of transaction costs too, right? smile.gif

Thanks
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post Jan 21 2013, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 21 2013, 10:38 AM)
According to French-Fama study (who won the nobel prize for economics) the number of stocks to substantially lower the portfolio risk is a minimum of 10 diversified stocks, and after 30 stocks there is no more increase risk reduction and the portfolio will tend to perform similar to index.

Diversified stocks means stocks diversified across industry with different beta to each other. 10 plantation stocks is NOT diversificationdoh.gif

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Ok thanks smile.gif
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post Jan 21 2013, 12:01 PM

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Yes, need further drop. Most if not all dividend stocks are too pricey now (in DY %) terms doh.gif
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post Jan 28 2013, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Jan 28 2013, 11:38 AM)
But surely there is no difference in the end, because you buy in SGD too. It's not like you buy in MYR and receive SGD.
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U sell MYR, buy SGD
U use SGD to buy SG REIT
SGD appreciate against MYR
Years later when u sell, u gain not only capital gain (if any) and dividends, u might have gains in forex movement too
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post Feb 13 2013, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(Dividend Warrior @ Feb 13 2013, 09:18 AM)
Save like mad, no holiday vacations overseas, no car.

Invest in dividend stocks (more than 6% yield). Then re-invest the dividends. Keep doing this for 4 years.

My portfolio is made up of mainly telcos and REITs.  smile.gif
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Even with Malaysian benchmark interest rates a lot higher than Singapore's, Malaysian blue chips are now yielding no more than 5% doh.gif
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post Feb 13 2013, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(LYR @ Feb 13 2013, 09:52 AM)
still you need certain level of income to do so considering high cost of living in SG.
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I beg to differ, if u earn SGD and spend SGD, u can save more relative to KL folks.

Mixed rice at SG = $3
Mixed rice at KL = RM4-5

Ori CD at SG = S20+
Ori CD at KL = RM40

Uniqlo T-shirt at SG = less than $20
Uniqlo T-shirt at KL = RM50

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post Feb 13 2013, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(Dividend Warrior @ Feb 13 2013, 10:41 AM)
Yes. My salary is slightly above average for a Singaporean 30 year old graduate.  wink.gif
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QUOTE(Dividend Warrior @ Feb 13 2013, 10:48 AM)
You can do it too. Maybe just slower. But it is still possible.

Must have faith.  smile.gif  nod.gif
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May I ask, u never tried unit trusts? U go all out on dividend stocks?

Unit trusts are giving me annualised returns of 5.8%, wondering could I raise my investment returns by diversifying some of my investment assets into direct stock purchases.
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post Feb 14 2013, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 14 2013, 10:24 AM)
I assume DW lives in his parents' house...

Sadly, I migrated from Perak to KL, gotta get a house at bloated price  cry.gif

BTW, I go for overseas vacations occasionally, but I choose to stay in budget guesthouses. For example, my room in Bangkok cost just 200B/night - no air-con, just fan, and the bathrooms were shared among the guests  laugh.gif
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I too stay in my parents' house, but I'm paying all the bills and my dad's pocket money. How to save 70-80%? 25% is the most I can do. What more I'm working at suburban KL where public transportation is useless, car is a necessity not a luxury. cry.gif
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post Feb 14 2013, 11:27 PM

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I can sense another needs vs wants storm coming soon here hmm.gif

I stand the middle ground, I can see most ppl nowadays place overly high emphasis on material belongings.
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post Feb 15 2013, 10:14 AM

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If I'm earning 10K I also can save 70% tongue.gif
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post Feb 15 2013, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Feb 15 2013, 10:32 AM)
hi PinkSpider,

    Me 80% saving. becoz i dont hv car loan.
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I have no loans but I pay all the bills and my 99% of my dad's pocket money doh.gif
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post Feb 15 2013, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Feb 15 2013, 02:03 PM)
very good, this investment you get return of 990% in the future.
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di akhirat? But sadly I don't believe in God and Heaven tongue.gif
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post Feb 15 2013, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Feb 15 2013, 03:12 PM)
If and only if the parents care for their children when the children are young .
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Ultimately I hope that my kids need not provide for me financially when I'm old smile.gif
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post Feb 15 2013, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Feb 15 2013, 08:55 PM)
Interesting.. you and your dad have reverse roles.  Does he not have his own job or retirement income?  hmm.gif
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He's retired and has exhausted his EPF and savings
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Feb 15 2013, 08:53 PM)
Really?

Do you know that the higher the earnings, the more likely the average person will spend EVEN more!
The savers are actually the ones are average income or below.  nod.gif

IMO, it doesn't matter how much you earn.. if one can save 20% or higher.. that's person is going to do well during retirement years.
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FYI, my personal spending pattern (but has taken up the responsibility of paying household bills and buying all the groceries doh.gif ) has not changed for the past few years while my income has risen during the same period. wink.gif

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post Feb 15 2013, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Feb 15 2013, 10:49 PM)
no inflation ?- what you past few year stuff you bought or bill payed still same price ... ohmy.gif
past few year same place and same fried rice i eat hv increase to rm1.
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Of course there will be a bit inflation! By "my spending pattern has not changed", I meant that I'm still eating more or less the same food, at the same places smile.gif
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post Feb 15 2013, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Feb 15 2013, 10:58 PM)
While I'm not sure about your dad situation, but I can understand, that typical of many Malaysians parents since quite a large number of them have blown away their EPF savings early and now have to rely on their kids for support. Lucky for me, I don't have that problem nor will I get into this situation later on when I retire.

If your responsibilities are household bills/groceries, those are probably mandatory spending that you can't avoid,
but the important thing is, did you increase your saving rate? If not, your income must increase otherwise inflation will kill it over time.

Get into those high quality investment and divi incomes like Divi Warriors..
Little by little, it will definitely pay off over time. wink.gif
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Of course my saving rate have increased, from puny 10% when I first started working to about 25% now nod.gif

Yes I'm readying my war chest to buy into some divvy stock now
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post Feb 15 2013, 11:12 PM

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Anyway, back to topic. I've observed that there are quite a number of smaller cap consumer counters that are delivering decent yields, Institutional Fund Managers usually don't look at those? hmm.gif

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