Hey guys... Just wanna find out whether any1 here has set-up and operated a cybercafe from scratch before... I have interest in opening one in the near future and i would like to know how to go about, starting from the capital-raising part, to getting bank loan, sourcing for equipment, and all the way to opening date... Thanks!

Starting from small, you need RM500K.

Don't get a small shoplot, those cafes in SS15 are just nice. The one I used to work last time was huge. , everyone feel comfortable and nice.

Is like a big theater when you hear 'Fire in the hole ...'.

Wow, that's a heavy investment even for a small setup ... This can be arranged via bank loan right? But for such an amount, looks like there will be a long repayment period...

Oh ya, forgot to ask also... Is it a good way to gain knowledge on the operations of a cybercafe if i were to work in one 1st?

This post has been edited by ClieNut Gadget Freak: Mar 23 2006, 08:45 PM

It's expensive because of the shoplot. Borrowing from loan, i'm not sure the procedure, if you can't pay back the sum they are expecting, you are not qualified then.

Yes, it is good to work at some cybercafe, to know how everything operates at one time, and what should do and not.

You would also find it is rather hard to entertain 'some idiotic faggot brainless retarded ' customers too.

Hahaha, that i have to agree with u, my man ! Dunno where i can get further info on this via the internet?

RM500k? R u for real?

My friend just recently setting up a cyber cafe in USJ... 10PCs... solely browsing and no gaming... not yet opened...

Capital needed less tham RM100k that includes everything (i.e furniture, rental, license, PC) with 4 month 'rolling-money'

Well, that seems like a more realistic figure, izudeen... Which part of USJ is your friend's place located? If got time, i may check it out...

Btw, other than subang, where are the good places in PJ where cybercenters are in demand, particularly those like that of your friend's (only browsing)?

This post has been edited by ClieNut Gadget Freak: Mar 23 2006, 10:07 PM

I totally agree with iZuDeeN that we need less than 100k for all the expenses. However, one of my friends who owns a Cybercafe told me that we need at least one year for Return On Investment(ROI). That is quite a long period for a company to turnaround and make profit. It is only advisable for someone with a lot of capital to invest in such business.

I think buying the shoplot is more practical than rent, thats what I thought. Like I said earlier, you need alot of money to buy a shoplot. We've heard many unwanted cases like, the landlord persuade them to move out, because of the higher rent price he got from another or etc. That suck balls.

So you have no choice but to pay him more, that is even more fugged ..

Rent? RM3K, 4K a month? Not worth it seriously.

RM36K a year

RM36K x 5 years = RM180K

I'm not sure whether your friends are going to run this business for long or short term. So if you calculate RM180K, do you think its worth?

I mean, if you buy the shoplot, after 5-10 years, that shoplot value definitely increase higher.

This post has been edited by zeist: Mar 23 2006, 10:40 PM

Hmmm, good point there... I have heard of many successful restaurants having to move out or close shop just because the landlord wants to take back the lot... But to buy the shoplot itself is also not cheap...

A lot in a bustling commercial center surely can set a cybercenter operator back at least a few 100k...

IMO, CC is not a good investment for this kind of amount of capital.

Nowadays, CC is not like before wheren charge will be like RM3. Competition now is a lot compare to last time, a lot of CC now only charge for RM1 or RM1.50.

Somemore a lot of electricity bill u need to pay, and PC very fast outdated and got a lot of gangsters go CC to play, mouse and keyboard and monitor always rosak

shop lots can cost up to a million or few millions especially at areas with lots of ppl.... SS15 is one of those.....

yup... IMHO, CC is not a good investment anymore, if you only have 10 pcs and just for surfing, it'll take a long long long while until you make profit, can u sustain ur business that long?

If u really really wanna start a profitable CC, u need to have games, loads of them...

then only u'll have all ur computers occupied 24/7, almost 24/7 at least... else.... u won't be making much even u manage to survive a year....

oh yea... btw if u have 500K ynot invest in petrol station

if you don't have it, I've a good investment plan that works through the internet, that is minimum risk, and romises 3 - 4% return weekly depending on effort u put in.

Plus u get to work from home

This is not an online scam, not HYIP or autosurf, not MLM and definitely no selling required.

PM me if u're interested

Serious?

You got a point there tunasandwich, what more with the fuel increase, resulting in shorter time to get the ROI... Hmmm, good venture to consider here...

but one of my fren, his family is doin petrol station business and he claim that now the petrol station business also quite saturate oledi. if u are in KL, u saw a lot of petrol station every km.

then he said if ppl use credit card, u need to pay the charges as well.

and if u want to open petrol station, i think u need to be a bumi or have a bumi partner.

to open a cc :

1)Location is EVERYTHING !! even if ur pc is lousy & chapalang, but with a good location & big market u will get a high & fast return.

2)Try ur best not to get bank loan, the interest will kill u. Life span for cc is short, bout 1.5 - 2 yrs only. so u must plan it carefully coz that the period for u to earn money only, unless u got a superb locatin with a huge market then only go for laon. Otherwise all ur income will hav to pay to the bank.

3)U know anything bout pc?? hardware, software & networking?? if not better go learn coz this will help n save u alot.

4)Many of the cc using pc with super spec today, so u need to plan urself what kind of spec u want. For me standard 1 will do bcoz ppl all playing warcarft only, important thing is ur streamyx line must be fast.

not really... depends... petronas i'm not sure, but shell definitely u are qualified if u have the cash

not really too, u'll be drawing lots for the location for ur petrol station, if u got those kampong kampong area.... u might still be in the red....

we used to have a thread bout starting a petrol station business, but i dunno where it went already....


This post has been edited by tunasandwich: Mar 24 2006, 10:41 AM

Okay, as mentioned, my friend still in the process of setting up the CC in USJ 6. Once he got it launched I'll let u guys know...

And the CC is not his main income, he still has a full time job, and only will be at the shop during weekends...

He also doing 'supply' of computer hardwares to stores around, thus using the CC to store some stuff...

Well, as many of u know, if you want to do CC, you need to think 2wice, coz one thing its not easy anymore to get CC license from local goverment... secondly, how much can you charge and how soon can you recoup your investment..

Oh ok, so your friend's CC business is as "side-income" lah... But at least he is familar with the computer business via his hardware supply... No wonder he can get the equiment from his day-to-day business...

Can introduce me to your buddy someday (considering a venture into the CC line)? And please let us know when the opening is and where the location is in USJ... Thanks!

i dun know about KL but to apply license in Perak still ok, not tht hard. The charge for every hour is very depend on the area ur cc is. If there is other cc around ur place then is better for u to follow the market rate there. To remind u coz the life span is kinda short, so this business is like race agains time ==> must try get the return back as fast as u can. To do this u must manage the modal properly, cut down unnecessary expences.

bear in mind
u must have additional $$$ for upgrading
as u know nowdays PC are getting faster & faster
if your PC are outdate
nobody will go to the cafe

agree...and most important maintenance all the times...

i once go to a cc before...the speaker is not working... ...
because i playing cs that time, so must hear the bomb's sound ->ti tit tit titi titi:D

u can setup ur cyber cafe as small as 5 computer(if r on low budget,plus u know how to setup everyting. eg:maintenance,networking,troubleshooting etc)

then u concentrate more on ur business,after 1 or 2 month add either 1 or 2 computer at ur cc.

1st of all,buy a mid range technologies(eg. latest is A,second is B and older tech is C. then choose B technologies)

this my own technique tat i give to all my fren who wan to open a CC wif low budget.now all of them has at least 30-40 computer at their CC.

example :

1 hour = RM 2
working hour = 10am -10pm = 12 hour
no. of computer = 5 unit

ur profit =12 hour x RM 2 x 5 unit
= RM 120 per day
total profit a month(including weekends) =RM 120 x 30 days = RM 3600 !!

if u carefully,calculated all thing(electric bill,and shop fees) u still can gain a nice profit.


if 1 computer use total 600 watt,it means in 1 hour u use 600 watt/hour
total electric usage(a month) = 600watt x 5 unit x 12 hour x 30 days
= 1080 kWh

1 st 200 unit(RM 0.218) = RM 43.60
next 800 unit(RM0.258) = RM206.40
additional 80 unit(RM0.278) = RM 22.24

total usage a month = RM 272.24 (or around RM 300/mth)

ur actuall profit = RM 3600 - RM 300
= RM 3300/mth !!

see tats y cyber cafe is worth for gain alot of money.if u r smart,u can sell some beverage,drinks etc to gain more.



p/s:this is my idea which i give to all my fren to start a good business. dun worry this idea actually works.pls correct me if i'm wrong.

Cool
So now you have 5 ppl sitting there paying you for 12 hours every day right?
And Cyber Cafes are on commercial tariff BTW.

you left out a lot of variable in your calculation..

for one, you are using home tariff, second you did not include other electrical device i.e air cond, ligthing etc

next, you have to pay shop rental, ,water bill, licensing and a general worker (dont tell me you're running 1-man show)...

and yes, how sure are you there will be ppl waiting to use your pc all the time, every single day?

how about the cost of buying the PC, furniture, banner, advertisement?

vion, seriously there is too many flaws in your calculation, thus I seriously ask you not to give false hope/guidance to your friend who is opening a new CC thinking that it is an easy money...

ei the power calculation should be 0.288 and not 0.218 iirc since its a commercial user and not home

he just spend money to open a cc with 5 pc to make himself "upgrade from a worker to a boss"
cc anual majlis perbandaran cost about rm3000-4000
which mean 1 month is about rm300, plus electic bill rm300(as he calculated,he dun use aircond maybe,lol ), plus water and tmnet bill about rm150(water is rm30,streamyx rm88,telephone line rental rm49), thus make it every month expenses is about rm 750

we continue follow what he say lah, means he really can make his cc 12hour full with customer, so rm3000 - rm750 = he get rm2250 everymonth

the questiion is here: WHY I NOT RATHER GO GET A JOB?????

Well, that's a good idea to start a CC, but there's still risk to consider. It still depends on the location, the ppl around the location, and etc. It's hard to predict whether you can actually get ppl to go to ur CC everyday. It's really a big gamble. However, it's still a risk to take. I mean what if it doesn't work the way you expected it.

Just my opinion.


This post has been edited by Marcus: Mar 25 2006, 02:19 AM

as wat i know from 1 of my fren that open cc .. the main problem they faced every month is the bill and the license they ned to pay for the game ... correct me if i am wrong ..thats why they was ;ike not earning a good money unless u love to play game then u open for fun and u play they for the whole day . u save money not to go other cc to play cus u open 1 ..hehehe ... anyway..when u open let me know ... i got fren doin networking for cc .. ok ?? price not sure ..must ask him ..anyway is easy lah ...hehehe .. just like wat ppl say here .. if u know pc , u save lots of money !!!!! yeah man !!!! good luck !!!

ok first of all i dun think is good to open a cc which got 5 comp.....definitely a no....and here are some info mayb u need to take into consideration:

this is base on 40 units of comp:

1.Montly electricity bill round rm1800-1900 (4biji of a-con, operation hour bout 18 hours daily)

2.Payment for warcraft game license rm1800

3.Tmnet streamyx bill rm688 (2.0M package for enterprise)

4.The rest is just the rental, salary, water bill & etc.

This post has been edited by madman.com: Mar 25 2006, 09:41 AM

many cc using pirate games .... i go there cant play online so u think they are paying for the game license?

not inclueded the interest. sometime it will double the shoplot price after u plus the interest

i guest now the problem is the profit margin is too narrow, not much can earn compare to last time
i was working @ cc last time for 2 years back @ my home town.
before that when the cc is newlly introduce, per hour they will charge about 6-7 ringgit, but now, some better good nice place eh RM2.5 or RM3 max, RM2 for member or middle middle ok ok place, RM1.5 also got adi. @ my hometown even worse, RM1.2 also got !!

yes u are right, and wrong too, it also sometime really depends on luck, and hows your place is.

i am @ puchong bnd puteri 7, and here got 2 cc, one is the 1st till now, another one still open and really really good buisness, everyday passby also got people.
and before this there is about 4-5 cc here, but all gone.

from what i see, those close up its cause of the place they design, one all close up and its @ upstairs, another one just computer and crappy computer table ( u wont stay long there cause the table not comfort )

and from my exp, table, ventilation, smoking zone and enviroment ( clean toilet if u target female buisness too hehe ) also play a big role in cc, it also one of the way can make u sucess and failure.

This post has been edited by namzycad3: Mar 25 2006, 10:23 AM

they paying game license but 2 reason why u cant online there
1st, the cd-key they get from paying license is limited, they pay license for 30 pc example, only get 9 cd-key

2nd, its a BIG work to change all the game for all 30 pc's cd-key after they clone the pc harddisk. so most of them just clone pc, but didnt change cdkey

u....aiseh......

another reason also cause they use crack, last time yes many cc use crack to run the game without cd, but now i think more people will dump into hdd, but another problem is most of the now days games come with CD protection securom <-- the most hard to break off ( prevent u from copying the original cd ) it also will prevent u to run the game in hdd mode.
so the most easy way? crack it, crack wont allow u play online.

So if according to your formula those CC with 100 units will make RM66,000 of NET PROFIT/month lah... Shop no need rental ka? Streamyx and phone free 1 ka? No need air cond/lights ka? No need a/cond also need fan gua. Toilet no need water? Company registration, signboard no need to pay ar? PCs, furnitures, renovation, networkings dapat free ka?

This post has been edited by seeseng: Mar 25 2006, 11:55 AM

aise, u are another 1 telling WRONG INFORMATION, if not sure dont speak out make other people getting the wrong info please
most game now can play online with original cdkey even if its crack
for example, warcraft 3 , need for speed underground, red alert2:yuris revenge...

ya kar, didnt know, i just i know i fight with those stupid copy protection for so long last time when i work @ cyber cafe.
and its 1-2 years ago.
sorry sorry haha

but the problem is if the key is in use it will show the message whereas when i tried to connect the message comes out as your cd key is invalid!

You can't get a shoplot at 500k in prime places. That's the cold hard fact.

LOL, I can see your friend's business go under in the first few months.

First of all, nobody is gonna visit a cyber cafe with 5 pcs. Face it. If I want to surf, I can surf at home. If I wanan game, 5pcs won't cut it. Even if you open your cafe near a college. I'm sure their colleges have libraries with computers in them. Also, you're talking about 100% utilisation....tsk tsk tsk. Nothing is ideal in this world. Using a 100% efficiency is boud for disaster.

And like the others said, you have to pay rental, bla blalblablalbal...3k profit?? LOL. I'm not sure if managing a 300 bucks profit is viable now.

poor vion, every one here shoot him until he not dare to login again...

erm missed out some stuffs as well... u need to settle original games and the monthly licences as well *if not i would be driving a beemer and not a kelisa =.="* servicing maintenance ? extra cash to keep the local feds and the local triads away ?

if they put original cdkey for all pc, then customer will complain "why that guy can connect i cannot?" , so its better put pirated cdkey if not decide to put different cdkey for different computer

Hehehe, he posted his assumptions with good intentions but kena hentam teruk-teruk... Sure our friend also scared to come back...

hmm...i appreciate all of lowyatt member.the fact is this is my idea which i help my fren to setup his 1st cc.till now his cc still working on.

yeah i know that my idea is too cocky,but this is a simple idea on how to make a business.(its was the same example when ppl wan to start a MLM business).all u need is thinking through about it and some brialliant idea from ur self.

i'm not scare to be "hentam teruk-teruk" by our lowyat member coz i dare to face the challenge.i not login wasnt im too scare to face the problem but i got a lot jobs to be done in(computer troubleshoot,hdd check,server setup hardware,etc)

BTW, each ppl have their own idea.
pros or cons of the idea depends on individual decision and concern.
we r not recrut in military.we just a normal ppl.

infinite idea = ur own consideration of idea

In KK the most leading cyber, spend RM500k for all. 2 shoplot, All 19" lcd, forget how many pc, but a lot.

Wow, you are really a busy person and the good thing is that you are familiar with PCs... So a standard rig that is fit for gaming and with original Windows will roughly cost how much, btw?

I may consider one for my own gaming use actually...

Actually , the cost of setting up a CC can vary... from RM100k right up to RM1million ( if not mistaken there is one in Subang/USJ, 2 story, dedicated gaming, and surfing area)


but for practical side, most entrepeneur will never 'go big' at first if s/he has no capital and no experience setting up a CC before...

And, suggestion for buying shop lot is not a good idea, since you can never predict how long your company can last, when initally starting u wouldnt want your 'cash' to tied up for something, but you rather have something easy to 'liquidate' if you need the cash. i.e FD

If I got RM1 million sure won't invest in opening a CC lah. Capital return too slow. With that capital can invest in real estate tradings, import/export stuff already. Export cements, granite, tar etc. building materials to Acheh and those after tsunami now in reconstruction places. Then import back those raw materials and hand-made furniture, interial decoration stuff. Imagine a good wood hand carved flowers door is RM60 each from Indonesia.

no more license for cc if i not wrong............

Eh izzit ah? I knew that its getting tough to apply for CC license but izzit completely stopped now?

how to start this import/export business? how much capital is required?

It's not easy, a large portion of the capital will be used to bribe the authorities instead of purchasing stocks.

Depend on where you want to do the import/export lah. Currently there's a programme going on for usahawan muda joint organize by 3 governments to increase trading between Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. Certain things are sponsored to encourage people. Indonesia provide 2 cargo ships to ship things to Medan. Participants have to fly over to Indonesia first to find buyers and distribute pricelist to potential buyers. It's 100% legal and import tax will be paid on both side when things got imported. I don't have $ to invest in the program. All participants will joint up their capitals to buy things from here to export there.

wadabout china?

can get cheap stock from china at large quantity

If im not mistaken, PJ has STOP licence for NEW OPERATOR, but still renewing licence for current owners...

As for Subang Jaya, u still can get licence but its kinda limited, so u have to be 'friend' with the licensing officer

i believe ure mentioning CyberX..from KK too =)
but anyway..its not only 2 shoplot but 4 shoplots!!
it start from 1 shoplot at 1st..bout 2-3 years ago roughtly 40+ comps then expand to upstairs with better comp..
then they expand more again..jz beside the shoplot with brighter and more condusive environment =)..2 shoplots with high-end comp..lcd and etc..about 90++++ or even more..split into 2 part..a room provided with headphones only and other blast with woofers(they limit the speaker volume so wont be that loud)

4 shoplots..its like 200++ comp all together!
p/s: u guys 4gotten bout adsl service..hv to pay a lot ya know...50 comp - 1.5m for rm618..

time and money is the word....

put a lot of capital in it.. get more PC.. and comfortable chairs.. hehe...

and just wait until your break even... hehe.. then you are earning baby..

of coz for new startup company would not spend for 4 shoplots...

1 lot is enough...

as for RM1million cybercafe, it is true... it was published 2 years back in local paper... somewhere in USJ/subang, but I forgot the name...

Btw have u guys heard of the MMORPG S/B CC? These ppl must be quite aggressive...

Their first outlet in SS2 next to the Southern Bank has a new companion in the form of a new outlet in Sec. 14... It is just at the back of the AlfaOne CC and opposite the Korean BBQ restaurant...

yes. no more CyberCafe license from pihak berkuasa tempatan such as Duduk Borak Kelentong Lebih (DBKL) all nationwide!!!.
but it is for Cyber Cafe. Read again, CAFE only.

so, if you wanna open something like CC, you need to name your company as Computer Center, or Pusat Komputer Berinternet, or etc but no CAFE. So, you will not meet with DBKL anymore. you are only need to register ROC. thats all.
eg : Hakim (mahkamah) menjatuhkan hukuman Gantung kepada pesalah.
it is not same with :
Hakim (mahkamah) menjatuhkan hukuman Gantung Sampai Mati kepada pesalah.

Gantung vs Gantung Sampai Mati.

Cyber Cafe vs Cyber Center

any 'Cafe' word, will enter to the Akta Kerajaan Tempatan 1976.

between, you need to calc for :
1. e-club Malaysia - Counter-Strike, half life etc.
--- RM 300 per 10 licenses.
2. Sendi Mutiara Multimedia - warcraft, start craft, ground control, etc.
--- RM 1350 per 20 licenses.
3. gamers.com.my - EA games : FIFA, world cup, BATTLEFIELD, etc.
--- RM 500 per 20 license.
4. NewEra - Tony Hawks Skate, etc.
--- dont know.

it is not only ELECTRICITY bill!!!.

Im sure and agree with other suggestions. we need at least RM 200k or RM 500k to start up and fight with others competitors.

wah... rm500 for 20 battlefield license..

cheeap... just thinking whether we can get 20 ppl to buy battlefield at RM25 each...

Erm..I think you skipped one part apart from money.

Parents come and complain. Residents complain to polis for the noise your customers make. You have to have a very good stress management for this . Sakit hati to see rough ppl torturing your mouse/keyboard. Constant polis visits... etc...

People who come in complain (parents especially) do not want to know anything u face, as long as u close down. They want to talk but dun wan to hear.

Sometimes working there really big headache.

not calc like that larrr.. ayoyooooo..
if like that, everybody want looooo...

RM 500 per 20 PCs. and you should subscribe for 12 months. Then, it will be RM 6k. No ansuran. hahahahaha....
then, every month they will give one new game (one game license) for 20 PCs.
the license is not transferable. if your cybercafe only have 10pcs, nak tak nak you should BUY 20PCs. hahaha.. tak boleh KONGXI KONGXI.


komplen2 is a normal. buat dont know larr..
or, you can become as DICTATOR.
Anyone (school children) should leave their Parent's Contact Number.

or...
======= WARNING ========

CHILD WITH SCHOOL UNIFORM CANNOT ENTER.
ps : T-Shirt for rent RM 2 per hour.

======================
You can make business what..


good luckkkkk...!!~....

r u sure its RM6k for 1 year for 20pc?

Like that might as well buy retail pack.. it never say u cant install it at cyber cafe rite? It just say that you can only use at only 1 PC at one time...

Anyway, there is no more LICENSE for CYBER CAFE that operate GAMES, as it has been freezed all over malaysia (i think)...the only cafe u can operate if it just has internet...

1 more thing, if you managed to get cyber cafe license (with games) then u need apply entertainment license as well... to make it legit...

Retail pack? check the End User License Agreement!. You cannot use the Retail pack for COMMERCIAL or RESELL it. Cyber Cafe is one of it.

For the Cyber Cafe license please read my post #62

games, internet, office (typing like words/excel/etc) are not include to entertaintment act. please check with Akta Kerajaan Tempatan 1976 and Akta Hiburan for more informations.

Otherwise you serve CASINO online/offline then it will be ILLEGAL and it is not under PBT (Pihak Berkuasa Tempatan) if you are PUSAT KOMPUTER; of course it is under POLICE.

kalau Cyber Cafe, you buat CASINO online/offline ILLEGAL juga, tapi PBT such as Duduk Borak Kelentong Lebih (DBKL) akan ambil tindak. itu bukan under POLICE control. SUCH AS PUSAT HIBURAN KARNIVAL yang semakin belambak di Kuala Lumpur. POLICE cannot take any action on them. Itu semua LESEN yang dikeluarkan oleh Duduk Borak Keletong Lebih (DBKL). then POLICE will take action when DBKL report to POLICE.

again, read my post #62.

This post has been edited by xdsl: Mar 31 2006, 07:04 PM