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This post has been edited by mynameisdavid: Mar 24 2013, 11:44 PM

Never heard of fine for internal renovation!

Yes, so shocked when received this,

and we just did very minor reno inside, not extension, or pillar removal

was the fine for the previous reno by ex owner? I am sure you can ask your neighbours about this.

damn... now I cannot repaint of my internal house wall..

Cannot be right? Is that all the letter says? Can share full version?

Ask them show you how which of your reno contravenes section 70 (11) where the definitions of "erecting a building" are stated in 70 (16).

http://www.agc.gov.my/Akta/Vol.%203/Act%20...%20(51-100).pdf

I think its BS. In anycase, show them the akta above.

why did mpaj find out? did ur neighbour complain?
did u get permit from mpaj to do renovation in the first place?

Paint house need permit ah?

I am more interested to know why we need to get a renovation permit if the renovation works is done inside the house without adding/removing any structure like pillars and walls.

Change of tiles, and removal of kitchen cabinet is considered very minor renovation works imho.

AFAIK if not renovating any major pillar or extension then no need permit.

for why, you have to ask MPAJ, but there really are forms to apply permission for even such minor works

http://www.mpaj.gov.my/e-borang?p_p_id=101..._assetId=215227

4	BORANG PERMOHONAN MEMBAIKI RUMAH / KEDAI / PEJABAT YANG SEDIA ADA TANPA MENGUBAH STRUKTUR ASAL
5	BORANG PERMOHONAN UBAHSUAI DALAMAN TANPA MENGUBAH STRUKTUR ASAL (RUMAH BERTINGKAT)

thanks mate, this is something new to me.

Seems like TS could have saved RM12.5k if he paid RM50 for the renovation permit.

If painting also need to fill in that form?

This is an eye opener. First time I hear that we need a permit to renovate the interior of the house???

no, it says work like install grill, wardrobe, cabinet, awning, new tiles; repair porch, roof, gate; change partition.

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i did some very minor work around the house just like repair a part of the floor tile (previously contractor lousy workmanship and it all pop up) and replace the grill lock (have to cut open the grill, replace the lock and weld it back). settled in a slightly more than 1 day, no issue with mpaj although no application.

TS say is minor work and if really minor work and done discreetly, shouldnt be an issue with MPAJ. But how mpaj found out and fine him? maybe neighbour complain cos too noisy or he remove the kitchen cabinet without dump into proper bin, or the building material block the road, etc. must be something wrong here.

Anyway, i found an online form for rayuan kompaun, mynameisdavid can try that.
http://www.mpaj.gov.my/e-borang?p_p_id=101..._assetId=215222

2	BORANG RAYUAN KOMPAUN

This post has been edited by nghj: Jan 16 2013, 04:42 PM

Nope, we just very recently did some minor touch up before moving in last week, so I think it doesnt related to ex-owner.

Mayb there is still some parts I have missed out, I will check out tonight from my father tonight since he was the one who dealed with the contractor for reno.

No, none of our neighbours lodge any complaints to the authorities.

Our house was vacant when doing the minor reno, touched up, mayb MPAJ patrols found it.

We dint get any consent from MPAJ because we thought it just a minor work, and the contractor dint inform us any application etc.

Updates:

I went to MPAJ just now get informed that even tiles changed, have to summit application to MPAJ,

Application form uploaded as below:


Attached thumbnail(s)

Yes mate, these are the form they gave to me just now,

I dint get acknowledged before this

Btw, thanks for your effort mate

Yes mate, click in the link that given above

It also new to me though

gila..renovate internal part of the house also need approval from MPAJ? Crazy lah...

Please update us how it goes. BTW, do you need to pay anything when apply for approval?

Thanks again nghj,

I was instructed that I need to summit the application form with documents attached,

after get approval from MPAJ,

then make an appeal to reduce the compound amount

how unfortunately run into patrol.

u try appeal mpaj, say that u didnt know and blame it hard on the contractor that didnt make the application.

Based on the form posted by TS, seems like the payment is at least RM300+.

maybe your contractor didn't buy kopi for the mpaj fellas...

Nowadays government try to sequence every single blood from us. Life is difficult in Malaysia.....

Well Cheras is part of FT so no surprises there. Later want to tanam rumput at your garden also need to ask approval. Don't think any council in Selangor will do that nonsense.

this is the 1st time i heard someone being summon because of internal renovation.

wallauweh...better to check my PBT website if there's anything related to renovation.

Sorry to hear dat TS

cheras is indeed ft. can't do anything unless u change the central gov. maybe you can highlight this matter to the press?

Maybe next time buy new furniture also need to get approval

normally contractor will settle with the patrol (kopi duit).....this means that your contractor not experience and aware of this......for me, the contractor not doing his job.....

MPAJ is under Selangor.

wah lau wei. my understanding of internal renovation does not need any approval = wrong!

TS, I am sorry to hear of your case but this has been a very good case study. The lesson I learnt from here is to always check the Local Authority's website and check with them if their approval is required even for internal renovations. Dont anyhow assume and this kind of thing, dont depend on contractors. Better be safe than sorry

As long as they see got contrator, they will come for duit kopi. If your contrator refuse to give, they will find out how to summon you. They sure have the reason.

I don't believe there is any MPAJ staff who don't accept duit kopi and straight give summon......

they can drink kopi first, then get another team to do summon...but adding kitchen cabinets and wardrobes also need permit? This is part of furniture, is it not?

This is only a forum ... dont listen to 1 side story ........ not surprise MPAJ is innocent .

he knows better ! Good luck

Cheers .

This post has been edited by siakap5: Jan 17 2013, 03:09 PM

ts, can you post some photo of....external ur house,backyard,renovation area...during reno period.
i had this xperience bfore in puchong u cant remove the internal middle wall between 2 shop lot, u nid to apply permit.
m contractor also,but in puchong where under MPS
(sepand districk) u nid a permit for minor reno, include grill,kithcen cabinet...and so on i was inform by developer.
our district rule always update without a guideline, just like iphone OS.

This post has been edited by moc: Jan 19 2013, 09:08 AM

Get the ADUN office to help you...PR13 is coming and this is also part of their service to ppl too.Al least they are the one who indirectly managing the city council and a letter from them is much powerful than thousand words from us.

My 2.5 cents

Technically you are supposed to get permit from council, that is true BUT the calculation of kompound is based on % of the work involved. So you can challenge the council on the 12k fine, ask them how the hell did they arrive at the figure.

Tell them, u aku salah, but dispute the kompaun amount. if the reno is just small interiors works as you said, the kompaun should not exceed 5k

At this juncture, I doubt he even wants to pay RM5k. Definitely an eye opener for me. Have to check out Majlis Perbandaran Sepang as well.

If no external work = no need to apply permit. My contractor told me. He even said.. u can even modify watever u want inside the house..

ur contractor??? does ur contractor pay the fine for you?

Crazy la... Normally fail to get permit approval . They will fine 10 times of approval fee . Like this case , you can complain to YB ong service center .

If they insist you have to pay the 12.5k even after appeals, just contact TheStar...Najib will pay for you as long as you vote for BN.

Hi, YB Ong service center??
Mind to share more infos about contacting him/her?
He is BN or opposition ?
Thx ya

I think nearby the sushi restaurant in pandan indah... the same row..