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 Genneva Malaysia V4, Raided on 1st October 2012

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danmooncake
post Jan 16 2013, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(Akonn @ Jan 16 2013, 01:29 AM)
BREAKING: Hitler (Fuhrer Lu) loses his top over Police Reports:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=playe...d&v=WQxD6MBWwqs

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Please watch this Youtube Video. HILARIOUS!!
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Watched this Hitler Downfall video over so many different themes.. but this one is
Absolutely Hilarious! Whoever did it, did a good job for the subtitles! rclxms.gif biggrin.gif thumbup.gif

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post Jan 24 2013, 12:32 AM

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Whoa... it like watching the actors being killed in horror movies part 1,2,3 all the sequel non stop.

From GNM to TGG.. from the frying pan into the fire.
All spewing the same stories to lure investors (or foolish gold traders whatever you can call it).

How come these people just can't think?

Anyway, I'm running out of popcorn. laugh.gif

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post Jan 29 2013, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(frederic9 @ Jan 28 2013, 10:13 PM)
Genneva was following Tun's methods of redefining "Blue Ocean" ahahaha.
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Blue Ocean?

I guess he didn't tell them about the "sharks infested" Blue Ocean for those
ignorant swimmers.. huh? brows.gif

Some of them already lost their limbs swimming in this Blue Ocean looking for Gold at the bottom. tongue.gif

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post Jan 29 2013, 08:39 AM

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On the related news, The Gold Guarantee (SG) CEO Lee Song Teck also cabut already after offering to take up Genneva business. Same kind of modus operandi where they offer up to 20% monthly rebate to gold contract holders.. again. another unsustainable business model, eventually all collapse under this pyramid scheme.

http://www.asiaone.com/print/News/AsiaOne%...126-398065.html

Better report these scam artists and take them to court. Don't be foolish and hope that they will resume business.
The people in the Genneva Support group in FB really need to open their eyes. doh.gif

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post Feb 23 2013, 01:07 AM

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Interestingly still no update on this issue even by this GMS company.

I think even BNM unfreezes the gold the allow GMS cutomers to sell it, they will
lose money because gold has dropped back to last year lows. shakehead.gif

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post Apr 26 2013, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(StockInvestor @ Apr 21 2013, 11:53 AM)
A myriad of devious reasons they are keeping quiet :

1. The JR is off
2. JR consent forms were signed and police reports were lodged because of their continuous coercion and threats (including abandonment).
3. The RM100K should be legally reimbursed but Dee wants the $ for her and cronies
4. They want to keep up a charade to the sheep that everything is according to the JR Plan
5. The real reasons for initiating the "JR" was to dupe the sheep to :
a) Lodge police reports and stave blame from the company
b) Enrich Dee Casey and cronies
c) Divert the blame to BNM
d) Deceive the sheep into thinking that the JR was "the only way" and "the best way" to get back their gold and money.
6. Dee,Pat, Shereen, KE are running scared from the authorities for alleged malicious fraud
7. Dee & Pat are continuing to deceive the sheep by outsourcing their evil deeds to the clueless Help Desk people
8. Dee & Pat have accomplished all that they wanted and were allegedly well paid by GMSB to dupe, deceive, stall, protect the directors.
9. Dee & Pat have doctored it so that the Help Desk people get the blame while they close down the page
10. All consultants are allegedly being investigated for taxation and illegal commission
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11. Gold prices dropped to 2011 level..their losses exceeded 50% if including their 20% premium even if still have hope to get back their gold.


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post May 21 2013, 11:20 PM

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It is funny when someone says "Genneva Sdn Bhd and NOT Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd".
The old is not the same as new eventho they may share similar name and use same address, same business tactics but hey we got different directors this time. laugh.gif

Also, the recent ruling on the acquittal of the "old" Genneva is also shed some hope for the new Genneva and they may use the same escape clause because of the precedent ruling. BNM and govt can't charge them without direct proof of money laundering and deposit taking if the law view this as just "trading".

So, what does it mean for the victims? Probably still very little because the old company is still not business and they still got their funds locked inside this company.

Are they still solvent? It will be interesting to find out later.

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post Oct 1 2013, 10:34 AM

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Really strange case.. hmm.gif

Isn't a couple of months ago, there was a news clip that 4 directors were acquitted of wrong doing and the court rules that their business were legitimate. Now, they directors were charged again ?


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post Oct 3 2013, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(terry8 @ Oct 2 2013, 10:08 PM)
That was for their first company Genneva Sdn Bhd. Now the case is against their 2nd company Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd
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Thanks for trying to clear up.. but almost the same name but diff by only one word. rclxub.gif

I thought I also read the same person "Poh Weng" also accused in two different cases.. is it not? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Feb 1 2014, 08:27 PM)
Any Genneva gold found to be fakes?  hmm.gif
Someone offered to sell to me and since I'm not a gold bug, I let it pass.
Don't ask me the price he offered too 'coz I brushed him off before he had the chance.
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They don't have to make fake gold to make money but they sell gold at 20% premium higher than spot price to fools and giving them "discretionary" hibah is entice the "water" fish clients.

A lot of people got trapped when spot gold were at us1700-1800 last year and they bought it at 2000/oz or higher and 30 days later, the company got shut down.

Gold prices have further declined another 20% since then.

Those who are holding their genera gold bar may have to wait a long long time for gold to recover $2000/oz (this will be all time high) to break even.

Maybe wait for another cyclical recession.. if credit gets tighten again, fear comes in, gold price may rise.

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post Feb 2 2014, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Feb 2 2014, 12:25 AM)
Bro, correct me if I'm wrong.

Gold & silver traders back out there are buying back gold bullions and coins at apprx 20% discount. So whether selling at 20% higher or buying back at 20% lower is still 20% profit margin for these institutions. No?

And of course, hibah maybe the enticing factor. However, 19% (calculated in earlier comment) annual return recoup your earlier 20% higher purchase value. Well not exactly recoup but better than nothing and compare to other precious metal sellers which straight forward buying and selling bullions and coins.

Genneva also give option to sell to 3rd party meaning if price of gold rises above the original purchase price. Selling back to Genneva is stupid investing if gold hit USD3000/oz compare to selling at original purchase price of USD1900/oz. (for example)

So the idea that Genneva is a con BCOZ gold prices drop is kinda wrong isn't it? Genneva has no control of the international gold price market. Investment is a risk and hibah is just a incentive compare to other metal traders. 

Moreso, BNM accusation on violation of banking rule is ONLY on the hibah part, which is subjective by the way.
BNM perspective is that members are the lenders while holding the gold as collateral while receiving interest rate of lending (hibah). The difference is "lenders" can sell to 3rd party if gold price is higher than original purchased price (principal amount).

Imagine your bank sell your house, where you put as collateral for a loan because the house increased in price, even though you pay your monthly installment regularly. Banks cannot do that. In Genneva's case, members are allowed, hence the gold BELONGS to the members and NOT a collateral. Thus, no violation of any banking rules.

Money laundering and other prosecutions are to slap mud in Genneva's name as far as I'm concern.

So if BNM didn't raid Genneva, members will keep receiving the hibah and trade their gold according to market value.
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IMO, if BNM didn't stop this operation, a LOT more people will get hurt because the dark pools are getting bigger and out of control. They can't stop the downward spiral of gold price and their obligation of "hibah" is bleeding their cash flow. How else this company can make money? By recruiting more consultants and members... that became a pyramid scheme. Eventually, this house of cards will tumble.

I think BNM did the right thing. Hopefully, the authority can prosecute those people and stop this kind of scheme and maybe be able to recover all the money to those people who got caught in the hysteria of buying their gold.





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post Feb 2 2014, 02:17 AM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Feb 2 2014, 01:43 AM)
U think there will be ppl desperate enuf to sell their Genneva gold at bottom price?
Gold is still gold right ?  tongue.gif
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You never know. There are some very silly people who put up their 2nd mortgage and buy all the gold bars they can during the hysteria. The bank interests continues on.. gold depreciated.. you think they won't sell?

Those who has physical gold on hands are luckier than those who were harping for the hibah because they got no gold at all. All frozen. I bet they won't see it anymore.



 

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