It is indeed a scam within a scam within a scam.

Doesn't the GMS Admin (Pat Lu) know when to stop duping?

Has she no shame in perpetually scamming these poor old folks?

Does she not believe in the law of karma?

Why can't she be honest and upfront with the poor victims and tell them truthfully that ALL their previous "prominent" lawyers have said they have no case?

Why can't she tell them that the present incompetent lawyer is also of a similar train of thought?

Why is she afraid of revealing who Dee Casey and the said incompetent lawyer are?

Why can't she return the scanned copies of the police reports since the only use was to protect the company?

Why can't she be transparent in telling them how much they have collected, and that their hard earned cash will be returned?

Why does she give them false hope to protect the directors?

Why can't she honestly tell them that there is no HelpDesk? It is only a handphone number.

Why can't she honestly tell the victims that Gold beam greedily charged for rental?

Why is she behaving like a typical Barisan Nasional greedy incompetent sycophant?

Why does she exhibit Barisan Nasional tendencies to fool the uninformed and lead through a series of lies, propaganda and censorship?

Why doesn't she have the courage to put up her hand and say, "Yes, I effed up. I'm sorry?"

Why can't she truthfully tell us that she is paid to dupe, stall, stave and protect the directors at all collateral costs (old victims)?

The good news is that only 3% of the victims have been scammed.

The bad news is that GMS Admin will continue to stall to dupe the other 97% to send in more money.

My reply to Dee Casey's exhortations :

Dee Casey posted to Genneva Malaysia Supporters :

For people who are quick to jump into the bandwagon and make judgmental condemnation against GMSB simply because of the court’s decision today to allow for the prosecution case and ordered the defendants to enter their defence, let’s all be clear on the legal aspect of things:-

1. The case that was heard today involved Genneva Sdn Bhd and NOT Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd . In the eyes of the law the two companies are separate entities (even twins are separate individuals and if one is a murderer, it does not make the other a murderer too).

My answer : I agree.

2. The directors of both companies are different and unrelated. The directors charged under Genneva Sdn Bhd comprised of Ng Poh Weng, 63, Marcus Yee Yuen Seng, 61, Chin Wai Leong, 37, and Liew Chee Wah. Whereas the directors of Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd are Tengku Muhaini Sultan Ahmad Shah, Philip Lim Jit Meng, Tan Liang Keat and Ahmad Khairuddin Ilias.

My answer : I agree.

3. The modus operandi of gold trading of both companies is also different.

My answer : I agree. GSB offered buy back guarantees whilst GMSB did not. The reason Rozana Ali gave to acquit was because of the buy back guarantee. Doesn't look good for GMSB on this count. Also, 8000 GMSB customers didn't receive their gold/money as stipulated which are BAFIA contraventions. Money laundering as reported was purportedly conducted by the directors to various proxy accounts worldwide - contraventions under AMLAFTA. Investigations on GMSB has been reportedly finished and we await the charge, which by all reports suggested, will be done by 1/10/13.

4. Genneva Sdn Bhd is charged whereas there is yet any charge against Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd todate.

My answer : The AG has till 1/10/13 to do so under the law. So, if you're unhappy, arrange a demo at the AG's office. That, by the way, would be counter-productive - just like your GMS FB page which has been a study on false propaganda and malicious lies to further protect the directors.

5. The presumption under the law is innocent until proven guilty (and not the other way around).

My answer : There are no presumptions because 8000 aggrieved customers didn't receive their gold/money as per signed S&P. It is as tangible as you can get. This is an early sign of a Ponzi collapse as reported. And also reported was that GMSB was not trading gold - rather it was regurgitating new funds.

6. The court in Genneva Sdn Bhd only determined that there is a prima facie case for the defendants to answer and certainly not a prima facie case of guilt.

My answer : I agree. And now, the lower court judge has acquited, there are higher courts and more competent judges to appeal to. Let the process undergo its due course before duping the others into false elation.

Conclusion : Stay tuned to GMSB and their directors being charged by 1/10/13. And yes, this case will be different from GSB.

That GMS page is antithetical in fighting for their customers.

It should be renamed the Genneva Malaysia Directors Supporters Facebook site.

As has been documented, it has been fuelled by directors money furthering their own personal causes instead of placating the victims that they will be assuredly paid.

As also evidenced, many victims have ceased trusting the conniving Pat Lu in her quest to dupe more in appeasing her paymasters.

There was a union. The sad thing is that it was formed to protect the sole interests of the Directors, Management and their kin via payment to the Administrators of the Genneva Malaysia Supporters Facebook page.

Customers' well-being are secondary. Victims are forced to uphold their mantra of adulating GMSB and villifying BNM. Hundreds have been banned from the site for stating the obvious - that the directors and mgt are effing parasites.

Calculated stallings, lies and diversions were made to blame BNM instead of the real perpetrators and thieves - the Directors and Management.

All this can be documented from their FB page and in the archives here too.

So, what can your friend do now? The same thing we have been advising for a year :
1) Get a lawyer
2) Sue GMSB, the directors, management
3) Lodge a report with the SC - to see if there can be clawback provisions made to claim from your consultant and senior consultant. Their appointments are reportedly illegal and all their commissions are ill-gotten. Hence, you may have a claim. Also, there are many cases of misrepresentation by the consultants in their attempts to nail a sale. Examples include : GMSB being syariah compliant, that hibah will be paid, that the company is financially stable, sustainable, that the directors do not steal and are of good repute. All these claims by the consultants have been proven to be false.
4) Now that it has been reported that Ng Poh Weng's 3 children and Philip Lim's wife have stolen close to RM1 billion from GMSB, sue the suckers too.
5) Sue the GM Lim Kah Heng and his unemployed friend for reportedly stealing too.

I wish your friend good luck. It will be a long arduous ride and he may not retrieve all that he invested. However, if nothing is ventured, nothing is gained. Thus, get a lawyer first and start getting some good advice instead of being reliant on the crooks at the GMSB Facebook 'union'.

For free legal advise, visit here :

http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/legal_aid_centres.html

“If you choose to not deal with an issue, then you give up your right of control over the issue and it will select the path of least resistance. Never put off till tomorrow what may be done day after tomorrow just as well.”
- Leonardo Da Vinci

This is downright fraudulent.

Tell your friend to contact the "Helpdesk Crew" immediately to seek counsel with the lawyer. The 'Helpdesk Crew' cannot make any unilateral decisions on your friends behalf, especially when his/her best interests are not represented.

Points of contention :
1) The lawyers were engaged to act on the JR based on the JR consent forms signed. Not to charge a fee for the redundancy of "watching brief". This is in direct contravention of the Bar Council Act.

2) The lawyers should hold a meeting with all 2000 victims to explore ALL avenues in getting their money/gold back.

3) The avenues include suing the directors, management, kin in their personal capacities since they were stealing from GMSB. Also included should be the possibility of suing consultants for misrepresentation.

4) The lawyers should truthfully inform the 2000 victims if they are impartial, or acting on behalf of Pat Lu's/Dee Casey's directives to leave GMSB, their agents,consultants,directors,mgt,kin out of the picture.

5) If they have received directives as such from Pat Lu/Dee Casey, disengage the lawyers as there is a clear conflict of interest whereby the victims best interests are not represented.

6) If the 'Helpdesk Crew' refuse to arrange a meeting with the lawyer, nor inform who they are, tell your friend to lodge an urgent complaint to the Bar Council.

7) Also, inform your friend to lodge police reports against Pat Lu, Dee Casey, Shereen Lim, Catty Chong, KE Goh for the coercement of false police reports and fraudulent lawyer engagement.

8) Also report this to the MCMC, SC, BNM, Lawyers for Liberty.

Yes, right on form Pat and Dee are stalling & deviating by protecting the effing crooks and there should be another round of fund-raising prior to the case. Truly tragi-comical. The 2000 victims have been screwed and are gonna be screwed again. At the end of the day, I'd love the investigators to unearth how much was paid to Pat/Dee who have not only sold their hollowed souls to Lucifer but have no compunction whatsoever about preying on the elderly and uneducated

This post has been edited by StockInvestor: Oct 11 2013, 12:31 AM

RESPONSE TO SAVANA SIM'S (DEE CASEY) LYING AND DECEITFUL POST IN THE GMS FB SITE :

I am angry and helpless. I have been supportive of GM and its officers and all that we can see is that they have done nothing.

A : Glad you have finally come to the realisation of the truththat they have done nothing instead of maliciously asking us to be patient with GM and its officers in the past. Of course they haven't done anything. Why should they? They have been stealing all this while from the victims and have absolutely no intentions of paying the victims back even in the unlikely event of them being acquited.

I am tempted to believe the general view (which I am sure you all share with me) that perhaps the directors have siphoned vast sums of money and are prepared to take off even if it means the price they have to pay is a few years in jail. Perhaps they can escape with a light sentence or “pay” their way out of the situation. It annoys me to no end that this has been going on endlessly for a full year.

A: I sure as heck hope they do not escape and get at least 50 strokes of the rotan and a minimum of a life sentence in jail for all the pain they have caused. It annoys us no end that you had endlessly chosen to protect these effing parasites for a full year.

Therefore, it was a moment of immense relief when I read the headlines of Genneva and its officers being charged in court. Relieved because the uncertainty of all the past one year (to JR or not to JR?) has suddenly been given a starting point to progress the situation one way or another.

A : Relief? You effing liar! You were extremely protective of the directors and management for a full year. And the JR was another one of your scams to divert all attention to BNM, falsely accuse them, lie to the victims, steal their RM50 and stall. All this has turned out to be a scam agitated by you (Dee Casey) and Pat Lu. Now, pay the JR participants back their RM100K, you thick-skinned thief!

My interest and concern has been the conspicuous lack of action by Genneva and its officers. It appears to me to be unbelievable that they would just sit back and has do nothing.

A : No, the victims' interest and concern were the conspicuous lack of action by Genneva and its officers. For stating so, victims' concerned comments were deleted, still being deleted and they are/were banned. You, on the other hand, told us to fully support Genneva and its officers whist they were 'working hard behind the scenes'. It is unbelievable that you would just sit back and lie about your past.

The starting point for the new situation must necessarily begin with the seizure of the company’s assets by BNM and its stoppage of business by GM. It follows from this that the seizure was the prelude to commence investigations against GM on suspicion of wrongfully accepting deposits and money laundering.

A : Please do not lie again. BNM, in concert with PDRM, Ministry of Domestic Trade, IRB conducted the raid after numerous complaints and police reports were lodged on non gold delivery. This was also the case with Genneva Singapore. Therefore, they acted upon complaints not on suspicion.

Like all investigations it has taken its time and the charges we read in the papers were ostensibly the results of this investigations. Although the exaggerated figure of 900 charges appears ominous, in reality it is only two charges (Money laundering, and wrongful deposit taking), repeated many, many times over. Times and dates may vary, but the substance of the charge remain the same.

A : In short, they stole vast amounts over 900 times. Don't be facetious - these charges are ominous. Cease your laughable attempt in trying to water down the grave gravity of the stealing.

This appears to contradict all the earlier allegations of the GM structure being a Ponzi scheme and possible massive wrongdoings by GM have suddenly disappeared. This tells me that perhaps BNM, having taken action are now compelled to this limited cause of action, without any further way of escaping severe public criticism for wrongfully having stopped a business that was benefitting so many people in so many ways.

A : The GM structure is a Ponzi. They were running a business with a 10-1 liability-asset ratio totally reliant on new customers instead of the 'Blue Ocean Strategy' advocated by you and the other con artists. This is NOT a limited cause of action by BNM. This is the biggest scam in Malaysian business history. In case you didn't read the headlines, GMSB broke all records. And that is nothing to be proud of. Oh, and Genneva wasn't benefitting so many people in so many ways. Rather, it was benefitting the directors, management, Poh Weng's 3 unemployed kids and Philip Lim's wife, Kah Heng and his unemployed girlfriend in over 1800 ways. Because of the fact they were stealing and not paying up as they should, it has caused untold suicides, pain and loss to the victims. Cease with the lying already.


What’s even more perplexing, is that in the 2008 Genneva Sdn Bhd case it was this same two charges that were leveled at the company, and the court ruled that they did no wrong, so what more now, when GM would have learned from past mistakes and tightened up procedures even further?

A : The Genneva SB case and this are totally dissimilar, as you have told us in the past. When GSB were charged, you do recall that you wrote a lengthy piece telling us not to equate the two companies because they were different, dont you? Please stop treating us as fools. And yes, GM did learn from past mistakes, they decided to steal billions from the company now and "hope they get a light sentence'.


It appears to me equally obvious that the directors of the company have not really walked away from the situation. The company has been kept running, albeit with a skeleton staff, at their own personal cost and contributions. Surely this cannot be the behavior of persons who want to abandon ship. It follows that such people would not have been totally inactive in salvaging the situation.

A : Historically, Ponzi scammers have egos almost as big as yours. They assume they will never get caught. Bernie Madoff ran his Ponzi for 30 years and didnt run away either. Your lame attempt at using 'not running away' to protect the directors and mgt is pretty pathetic. Have they not run away from all the victims valid queries since GMSB was raided? Why didnt they do the right thing in assuring victims that they will be paid back? Instead, they used people like you who were paid to do their dirty work for them and trick the uneducated into thinking they are all 'good people'. Frankly, for that alone, you deserve a 100 strokes of the rotan - minimum.

The tragedy of the situation was their inability to communicate to the GM community what steps they were taking because going public would have prejudiced all their actions and exposed the company to the anger and the desire for vengeance by all the relevant people. Therefore, it appears that the directors of the company have borne the situation with fortitude and a commitment to protect the GM community.

A : There you go again trying to protect these effing parasites. They had the the 'inability to communicate' because they were bloody stealing from the victims, you moron! Fortitude and commitment to protect the GM community? Now, how much were you paid to state that?! Truly laughable especially when it is not true. It appears that you are paid heaps to protect the directors with fortitude and commitment to lie reprehensibly.


In this moment of their personal liberties and lives being at stake, one must take a very objective and impersonal approach because our first and natural reaction is to take steps to protect our own separate investments.

A : Yes, get a lawyer, send an immediate letter of demand that these parasites will return everything that was stolen back to the victims. Failing which, their asses will be sued. But you won't, will you? You paid assassin.

The issue therefore is whether this is the correct approach in this moment of time. In this regard, let me place the following facts before you.
1.We all were very active and forceful in our unified attempts at the actions of BNM. We made lots of noise for a while and then it all fizzled out. This must have been one of the objectives of BNM that if it was dragged on long enough the GM community would run out of steam. Their objective appears to have been achieved.

A: No, it fizzled out because you were caught continuously lying and you are still continuing to lie to the uneducated victims. The educated ones have taken matters in their own hands and are astutely suing to regain back whatever they can from your effing paymasters.


2.At this point in time, one must bear in mind the time old adage that divided we fall, united we stand. It would be a tremendous source of support and encouragement if we showed our willingness to be behind the company and its officers in their battle to regain operations, if for no other reason but to allow them a proper opportunity to repay all the investors and settle the crisis to the satisfaction of the GM community.

A : Here we go again with the united we must stand behing the directors mantra. FYI, only 3% of the victims are with you. The smart remainder see you and Pat Lu as the devil incarnate doing your paymasters' bidding. Proper opportunity? Huh? These thieves refuse to even acknowledge the victims cries for help and you're pleading with them AGAIN to give another chance to the bloody crooks? Sorry, make that 200 lashes of the rotan for you.

3.There is a need to conserve resources and to exercise patience because depletion of either at this moment will be self-destructive.

A : Easy for you to say " conserve resources and exercise patience' since you've got RM100K from the fraudulent JR exercise and untold moolah from your thieving paymasters. Victims are committing suicide and are self-destructive because of Pat Lu's and your false promises and fake hopes. And unashamedly, you continue to sell them lies,lies,lies.


All that has been said above may appear in the extreme to be highly protective and supportive of the company

A : Tell us, how much are they paying you to be 'highly protective and supportive of the company'?

1. 1. It’s a general perception that GM perhaps has already run its course and that BNM took this action to protect the customers.

A : Yes, GM is dead,nada,zilch,zero. And yes, BNM took this action because your effing paymasters were stealing and many did not receive their gold/money as stipulated. Because of these complaints, BNM had to take action.


2.The reason for the inaction by GM and its officers is their preference for GM to be shut down by the authorities as a way of escaping our wrath.

A : Yes. Also, they can't very well tell us that their kids and wives were raiding the company too, could they? So, they did the next best thing - pay you, Pat Lu, Shereen Lim, KE Goh, Catty Chong amongst others to sell lie after lie to the uneducated victims.


3.The situation does not leave us any alternative because if we decide to initiate any legal action, it may backfire back against us as in the case of FX Capital Consultant (M) Sdn Bhd where the Court of Appeal rejected claims by depositors and forfeited the funds to the Federal Government. I am uncertain as to whether if we commence any premature action as being proposed by certain quarters may not be self destructive. It may be preferable and more rewarding to await the outcome of the prosecution of GM & its officers at which time we may be in a clearer situation as to which party would be the best to be providing us relief.

A : It will be at the court's discretion. The FX case was dissimilar. Also, the FX directors kids and wife were not stealing. There are other avenues to retrieve - sue Poh Weng's wife, Philip Lim's wife, Kah Heng, his unemployed friend, illegal consultants,directors, mgt in their personal capacities. Cease protecting these scumbags. 300 lashes more for telling the victims to support crooks and do nothing.


The kind of actions taken by BNM is highly dictatorial, but then if you accept $500 from the powers that be, then these are the ‘endless possibilities’ that you get in return.

A : Au contraire - you and Pat Lu are highly dictatorial. And God knows how much you guys have taken from the parasites. There are 'endless possibilities' that the both of you will receive your due karma in the afterlife for only looking out for your interests and the GMSB directors,mgt,kids interests instead of the victims.


My own take on this situation is to support GM and its officers, immaterial of our own frustration and anger as the most self-serving, practical and realistic approach at this point in time. Relying on innuendo, rumors and wild allegations will be self-destructive. I will not serve any useful purpose giving credence to this.

A : Support crooks?! Yes, sure. God, they must be paying you gazillions! Relying on you will be self-destructive to each and every single victim. You do not serve a useful purpose and you have no credence or credibility whatsoever. 500 strokes of the rotan for you, you leeching blood-sucking parasite.

Wait for my next installment. I have more to say

A : Hopefully, it won't be filled with embellishments and diversions to support your paymasters again. But then again, I bet it will. Money to protect your paymasters at the expense of the victims is a major motivation for you and Patricia Lu Pitt Chin. Do bring it on. It's been fun dissecting all your pathetic lies and excuses.

Oi, Pat Lu & Savana Sim aka Dee Casey - when Shahrizat Jalil's husband and kids siphoned RM250 million, you hentam kau-kau sama dia. But when Ng Poh Weng's 3 kids and Philip Lim's wife lanyak RM1 billion, you ampu bodek kau-kau sama mereka.

Why do you keep on protecting your paymasters at the expense of the victims?

As expected, Pat Lu and Savana Sim aka Dee Casey have reverted to their normal tactic of diverting all the uneducated victims' attention away from the real culprits - the Directors and Management of GMSB.

Instead of being productive for the victims by organising their lawyers to demand payment from GMSB in the unlikely event that they are acquited, they side-step this extremely important issue and instead, continue to lie and pour scorn on all things irrelevant and diversionary.

If all else fails, like everything they've done so far, they lay blame on the others like Banks and the BN instead of the real thieves.

Ironically, like UMNO, when bereft of ideas and productivity, Pat and Savana/Dee prey on the uneducated to create unnecessary racial divide to divert attention away from their corrupt ways.

Pat Lu already holds the dubious accolade of being the most hated Genneva stooge - online and offline. Dee Casey has already been proven to be a liar, a coward and a thief. Now, they roll out Savana Sim aka Dee Casey in a last ditch effort to use the victims again in a futile "do-nothing but pay our JR lawyer and hope for an acquital" for the benefit of their paymasters.

They conjure up hatred to the uneducated to ensure their JR lawyers are paid to protect GMSB from any claims.

Pat & Savana/Dee proffer no real solutions to the victims - merely wastage of time, money, false hope/promises, hatred, innuendo and wild unsubstantiated allegations. This has been their devious modus operandi from Day 1 much to the dismay of the educated general public and the astute victims at large (most of whom have already been banned).

That page could have been so useful to the victims if an uncorrupted Administrator was in charge. Instead, what they have is autocratic propaganda of dupes and embellishments inspired by the ill-gotten corrupted GMSB money.

Stall. Divert. Lie. Protect the directors and mgt at ALL costs including the victims' interests.

Factually, this is what they have done thus far :
1) Coerced the uneducated victims to lodge false police reports to "impress the judge". The more, the better, they deviously claimed. AFTER all the victims had lodged the false police reports, they deviously inserted notifications quietly that victims are 'not coerced to make reports' and 'are wholly responsible in the aftermath of the reports'.

From lawyers in the know, the victims may have jeopardised their claims via the Doctrine of Estoppel where the victims may be estopped from future claims because they had supported the company and explicitly stated that they believe GMSB did no wrong and were falsely accused.

Therein lies another reason why Pat and Dee now want the victims to make no claims and "hope for an acquital". This was their devious plan all along - to protect their paymasters from the victims' claims.

2) Lied that the JR was the ONLY way for them to get back the gold/money. Lied to the victims that ONLY they could save GMSB although GMSB was doing eff all nothing because they were bloody stealing from the victims

3) Lied that the directors and mgt were working hard behind the scenes trying to get back the gold/money

4) Lied that GMSB will pay all the victims back. Advised victims not to sue

5) Lied to victims to be patient and wait because GMSB directors and mgt were 'good people'

6) Advised victims not to ask BNM for updates because they would
'brainwash' victims. Lied that BNM acted in bad faith. As the previous 5 JR lawyers they approached told them - they have no case and that they should be suing the real culprits GMSB to retrieve whatever they can

7) Advised victims not to seek appointments with the directors because they could be implicitly trusted to do the right thing

8) Advised victims not to seek free legal help because there should be unity and victims should not be selfish to think about their ownselves

9) Use dirty money to advertise the GMS FB site daily for months on end. Procure the anti-BN crowd to create as many false likes as possible. Ensure that postings have an anti-BN slant to project an image that they are well supported by supposed victims. Ban many for speaking the truth. Delete comments when their Idols-In-Chief (paymasters) are villified. Continuously lie to the few remaining victims.

10) Make false promises to the victims that they will bury BNM and get back their gold/money via the fraudulent JR - which was a spectacular failure (as we had forewarned earlier).

11) Lie to the victims that they have 'prominent lawyers' but they are 'afraid to have their identities revealed'.

12) Inform the victims that their GMSB aligned lawyers have advised them not to do anything but wait, pay for a redundant 'watching brief' and hope for an acquital. And deviously lie to them that it would be futile if they make any claims - because they want to protect the directors and mgt.

That is supposedly the best Pat and Dee can do for the suicidal victims. Wait and hope because their paymasters, the directors and mgt are 'good people' after all. But do NOT ask them for assurances that the victims will be paid if they are acquited because they very well know that the answer is a firm NO.

After all, the bloody parasites have been thieving away all these years to enrich themselves and their children, wife and unemployed friends. To the tune of an obscene RM1 billion minimum. Crazy!

In the meantime Pat & Savana/Dee plan to gee up the few remaining uneducated foot soldiers in trying to remain relevant like the BN/Perkasa to get more tainted $$$ from the directors when they divert attention with off the wall irrelevancies. What utter absurdity is this?

The really sad thing about this whole scam is that at the end of the day, Pat & Savana/Dee are hell-bent in protecting GMSB and their beloved paymasters at the expense of the victims.

May their fat asses get chewed bigtime by the Lords of Karma.

LOL! Don't forget the asam boi and some whisky sour. Quite an interesting combo when twinned with Dee Casey's off-the-wall 'Listen,listen,listen,the GMSB directors' were merely paying salaries and sellbacks from the RM1 billion paid to Poh Weng's kids and Philip's wife, you idiots!'

Namaste Sheikanah aka Pat Lu is back. Similar crass and trash.

KE Goh is conveniently missing after the JR fiasco but he could be the other clueless cheerleader Andy Lim. Their grammatical errors are almost akin.

MO : Since all their credibility has been diminished, use other monikers.

For the attention of the authorities reading in :

These are the people who have coerced the Genneva victims into lodging false police reports. They also duped 2000 victims into paying RM50 for legal fees in a Judicial Review which was fraudulent and never took place.The money they collected were also never returned. They also refuse to divulge the identities of the lawyers. Please investigate their IP addresses and haul them in for questioning. Thank you.

Genneva Malaysia Supporters Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/#!/GennevaMala...porters?fref=ts

Pat Lu (Administrator of the GMS Facebook) : https://www.facebook.com/#!/patlu?fref=ts

Dee Casey : https://www.facebook.com/#!/dcasey.cheong?fref=ts

Savana Sim : https://www.facebook.com/#!/savana.sim

Catty Chong : https://www.facebook.com/#!/cheong.meifoong?fref=ts

Shereen Lim : https://www.facebook.com/#!/shereenlkooi?fref=ts

KE Goh : He has deleted his Facebook ID and may be operating under another moniker, Andy Lim : https://www.facebook.com/#!/andylim228

Namaste Sheikinah : https://www.facebook.com/#!/namaste.she...location=stream

Minion888, Dee and Savana is the same person. From what I was told, in jocular fashion, she is a greedy fat b**** who isn't getting laid enough.

I don't think Catty is moonlighting as Dee and Savana. Her writings are quite different in nature. However, they could be related and it will be quite interesting when the authorities unearth who they are.

I was told that some of the JR victims have already lodged police reports after the scam and non-return of the RM50.

Andy Lim is quite a mystery. He writes like KE Goh and I wonder what his motivations were in coercing the others to lodge the false police reports.

He still seems very keen in continuing to sell this scam to the other victims by asking them to stick to the unknown lawyers.

Interestingly, I was also told that he had written in a comment a few days ago that Dato' Philip Lim had told them that BNM was racially motivated as per Savana's piece. Pat Lu then apparently deleted his comment. One might safely assume that she did so to eradicate the obvious link to the directors.

If it is true that he had stated so, therein lies the chain of causation and link between the consultants and Philip telling them what to bullcrap about. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel now by dredging up dangerous and false insinuations about racism.

Savana/Dee also claims to be 'in the know' about the inner goings on in GMSB. And by previous admissions that she is working WITH the directors on these matters, her motivations are only $$$ - much to the detriment of the uneducated victims.

INSIDE THE MINDS OF SERIAL CON ARTISTS LIKE PAT LU AND SAVANA SIM AKA DEE CASEY


People who carry out scams usually have a good sense of timing because they have to judge when to approach victims and when to retreat. They are excellent at reading people and have no trouble locking into emotional triggers. Patience is one of their virtues, as well, because following through with a plan can take time. Despite the capacity to tap into psychology, they typically lie pathologically and often believe that those who fall for their plots are “suckers” who are very gullible or unintelligent.

A common reason for people to become con artists is because they are in difficult financial circumstances. They may turn to swindling if they cannot find legitimate employment. People like Pat Lu who used to drive a battered Kancil and saw poverty first hand found the Genneva vehicle right up her scamming alley. Also, Shanti Masilamony and Shereen Lim, just to name a couple, claimed that they found new riches with Genneva after struggling with employment and a dwindling timber business respectively.

Some individuals also engage in this type of criminal activity because of its psychological benefits. Certain people enjoy the rush of pulling off a fraudulent scheme, while others look for a sense of superiority over those they target. Pat's and Savana's/Dee's false sense of superiority over their uneducated victims lends credence to this.

They are called narcissists and sociopaths. They are like the mythological Narcissus, whose punishment by the gods was to fall in love with his reflection, which dissolved upon touch. One of their main features is lack of empathy for other people. As evidenced, they do not care about the victims' plight and will continue to dupe and lie for their paymasters' benefit.

I believe from what I read that some of these con artists are addicts. If one story fails then there is another. They don’t see failure as the end of the venture; it’s simply a signal that the time has come to create something else.

Pat and Savana/Dee are addicted to lying and creating new diversions.

They have an ego that can’t afford to be repentant, so they blame others. They blame the government, they blame the law, and they blame the victims for not following their orders.

The most dangerous con artists like Pat & Dee/Savana, focus on mind control, on creating sheep. Here are the ABC's of their control: a) specialize in teaching people what to think. Feed their emotions by lying unashamedly. b) condemn, ridicule, or get rid of those who think for themselves and c) ban or delete comments of those who refuse to go along.

When the evidence gets in the way, they simply declare their belief to be reality by intentionally teaching the uneducated victims things as true while knowing full well that they are false. The intent is to manipulate and control the gullible.

After the manipulators (Directors, Mgt, Pat & Dee) were caught out in repeated lies, they use other personas like Savana Sim, Catty Chong, Andy Lim, Namaste Sheikinah, Shereen Lim, KE Goh et al, to continue to elicit emotional responses to their few remaining uneducated victims, and continue to peddle their deception.They use passion and his/her beliefs in the lies to overpower its falsehood.

Also, because the manipulators aren’t doing the public speaking themselves presently after being caught out in repeated lies, when things go awry like it already has, they have planned for ready-made scapegoats at whom they will point the finger - the anonymous 'Helpdesk Crew', the anonymous 'JR team', the anonymous 'JR lawyers', the Andy Lims, Shereen Lims, KE Gohs, JL Fongs, Horace Bongs, Yeap Kim Lais, Shanti Masilamonys, Patrick Tungs and Catty Chongs of the scandalous Genneva world.

Diverting attention is just one of the numerous tactics used by Pat, Dee/Savana to subvert the facts and manipulate uneducated victim opinion. This technique is used for three purposes: 1) to distract attention from the real issue, 2) to derail talk about the directors/mgt themselves and their blatant stealing, 3) when they have no legitimate complaints, these con artists will often look for and make an issue of something trivial or irrelevant and 4) to stall, divert, lie and protect the directors, mgt, their theiving unemployed kids and wife from any victims' rightful claims.

Pat & Dee/Savana have also used religion/race to falsely create anger and hatred. They proclaim that God is on their side and the devil is on the side of those against the directors/mgt. They dehumanise those on the other side whenever possible so they can justify manipulating the uneducated victims to support their evil deeds.

They also manipulate these uneducated victims when emotion and reason clash. Pat and Dee/Savana use the classic con artist deception to appeal to emotion and even if their appeal defies logic, reason and common sense, some of the uneducated victims simply went along.

Pat & Dee/Savana use other con tactics like programming the uneducated sheep not to think for themselves. They tell them what to think, what to believe and who to (falsely) support.

Misinformation and disinformation are great tools for conning and manipulating. Pat & Dee/Savana use it profusely to protect their paymasters at great expense to the uneducated sheep.

Bibliography : http://www.pro-truth.net/62-con-artist-tricks.html

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-a-con-artist.htm

http://www.bu.edu/today/2012/probing-the-m...the-con-artist/

This post has been edited by StockInvestor: Oct 20 2013, 03:32 PM

I have to respectfully disagree with your uncertainty whether "Pat Lu is part of the scam or an unwitting collaborator".

She is definitively part of the scam and a witting collaborator - much to the detriment of the uneducated victims.

Her ardent belief in Genneva is secondary. She could have easily done so quietly without hurting the victims any longer. She has wittingly and perniciously used her GMS FB soapbox to cause further misinformation, disinformation and lead 2000 victims the wrong way in support of her (false) beliefs.

Additionally, just to mention a mere two examples, she has wittingly demanded that they pay RM50 each (for nothing) and also to wittingly ask them to email her their false police reports.

Is this a scam? Yes. Is Pat Lu a witting collaborator? Yes. Is there any excuse for her despicable behaviour in causing further pain to the victims? No.

To borrow a legal parlance, I will merely advocate the doctrine of "res ipsa loquitur" (let the facts speak for itself).

The following is what I had written earlier.

Factually, this is what Pat & Dee/Savana have done thus far :
1) Coerced the uneducated victims to lodge false police reports to "impress the judge". The more, the better, they deviously claimed. AFTER all the victims had lodged the false police reports, they deviously inserted notifications quietly that victims are 'not coerced to make reports' and 'are wholly responsible in the aftermath of the reports'.

From lawyers in the know, the victims may have jeopardised their claims via the Doctrine of Estoppel where the victims may be estopped from future claims because they had supported the company and explicitly stated that they believe GMSB did no wrong and were falsely accused.

Therein lies another reason why Pat and Dee now want the victims to make no claims and "hope for an acquital". This was their devious plan all along - to protect their paymasters from the victims' claims.

2) Lied that the JR was the ONLY way for them to get back the gold/money. Lied to the victims that ONLY they could save GMSB although GMSB was doing eff all nothing because they were bloody stealing from the victims

3) Lied that the directors and mgt were working hard behind the scenes trying to get back the gold/money

4) Lied that GMSB will pay all the victims back. Advised victims not to sue

5) Lied to victims to be patient and wait because GMSB directors and mgt were 'good people'

6) Advised victims not to ask BNM for updates because they would 'brainwash' victims. Lied that BNM acted in bad faith. As the previous 5 JR lawyers they approached told them - they have no case and that they should be suing the real culprits GMSB to retrieve whatever they can

7) Advised victims not to seek appointments with the directors because they could be implicitly trusted to do the right thing

8) Advised victims not to seek free legal help because there should be unity and victims should not be selfish to think about their ownselves

9) Use dirty money to advertise the GMS FB site daily for months on end. Procure the anti-BN crowd to create as many false likes as possible. Ensure that postings have an anti-BN slant to project an image that they are well supported by supposed victims. Ban many for speaking the truth. Delete comments when their Idols-In-Chief (paymasters) are villified. Continuously lie to the few remaining victims.

10) Make false promises to the victims that they will bury BNM and get back their gold/money via the fraudulent JR - which was a spectacular failure (as we had forewarned earlier).

11) Lie to the victims that they have 'prominent lawyers' but they are 'afraid to have their identities revealed'.

12) Inform the victims that their GMSB aligned lawyers have advised them not to do anything but wait, pay for a redundant 'watching brief' and hope for an acquital. And deviously lie to them that it would be futile if they make any claims - because they want to protect the directors and mgt.

As for Shereen, I would not equate her with Pat Lu. Cognitively dissonant perhaps, but she had far less pernicious intent to the victims' better interests. But being "blind' doesnt absolve her from any blame in coercing the others to lodge false police reports and pay a redundant RM50 each. It is the same with Andy, Shanti and the others.

This only proves that BNM is above board and does no favours to thieves and parasites.

Ahmad Khairuddin was miffed that the other directors were stealing vast amounts and he wasn't getting as much.

He approached them for his fair share of the stolen loot but they refused to give in to his demands.

The greedy directors much preferred to share the stolen spoils amongst themselves, Ng Poh Weng's 3 unemployed kids, Philip Lim's wife and Lim Kah Heng's unemployed girlfriend.

Therefore, Ahmad was extremely angry and decided to blow the lid on the ongoing scam.

Pat Lu (GMS FB sole Administrator) detests Ahmad - even more so than BNM - because he blew their cover (& her illegal 6 figure commission) and went against her beloved paymasters.

Pat Lu villified Ahmad and called him a BNM paid informant.

However, as always, she has been proven to have told devious lies. BNM is doing the right thing and Ahmad was never a paid BNM informant as exuded by Pat Lu.

Her exhortations in stating that BNM is "finally going after the REAL CULPRIT" is misleading and purposefully diversionary.

It should read : BNM is going after ALL the real culprits including Ng Poh Weng, Philip Lim, other directors, mgt.

But unfortunately for the uneducated victims, her modus operandi from the start when she created GMS FB was always to stall, lie, divert and protect her beloved paymasters in Poh Weng, Philip et al from all the victims' claims.

Ahmad Khairuddin is a thief and a money launderer like the other Genneva directors and mgt.

I trust he will get his just dues like all the other Genneva directors, mgt, kin and wife.

This post has been edited by StockInvestor: Oct 22 2013, 11:37 AM

BEWARE!

Notorious scammer Pat Eagle aka Pat Lu has just joined Arowana Venture as a Sales and Marketing Director.

At last count, she has conned many LYN forummers in the Genneva scandal and also the Zness Forex Investment Platform.

She is now sending out sms-es to prospective victims to join either as agents or investors at Arowana Venture. Pat is also asking them to forward her sms "to benefit others".

Please protect yourself, friends and family from this vile con artist.