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For Panasonic PC9MKH, you should consider with Daikin FTE25KV1.

FT25HV1 is 5 star energy rating.
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I'm considering 1.0 HP air-con for bedroom to be used 3 hours daily. Only Panasonic (CS-PC9MKH) or Daikin (FT25HV1). Both are standard basic models. If you have used them, kindly provide some feedback. Appreciated it.
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Been a Pana supporter- Just bought :

Deluxe one for everyday use:
CS-C9PKH (CU-C9PKH) ~ 1.0HP-
CS-C12PKH (CU-C12PKH) ~ 1.5HP

Standard one in the hall - Ocassional use
CS-PC18MKH (CU-PC18MKH) ~ 2.0HP

If you are using everyday sugges using the eco navi. The little bit extra you pay now you can save in long run
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post Jan 17 2013, 07:28 PM


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Panasonic. I juz bought 3x1.0hp, 1x1.5hp, 1x2.0hp and 1x2.5hp.
As recomend by the supplier, Pana is better then Daikin due to servicing and spare part in the future for Pana is easier. Cos my hse only can fix Pana or Daikin.
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QUOTE(Rtix @ Jan 17 2013, 07:28 PM)
Panasonic. I juz bought 3x1.0hp, 1x1.5hp, 1x2.0hp and 1x2.5hp.
As recomend by the supplier, Pana is better then Daikin due to servicing and spare part in the future for Pana is easier. Cos my hse only can fix Pana or Daikin.
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Most of the cases, Panasonic aircond department pass the service report to the local aircond specialist dealers and ask them claim money with Panasonic after job done.

Whereby Daikin provides direct service to customers.

As long as u r getting common airconds brands, spare part availability is not an issue.



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QUOTE(Rtix @ Jan 17 2013, 07:28 PM)
Panasonic. I juz bought 3x1.0hp, 1x1.5hp, 1x2.0hp and 1x2.5hp.
As recomend by the supplier, Pana is better then Daikin due to servicing and spare part in the future for Pana is easier. Cos my hse only can fix Pana or Daikin.
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most supplier/shop will suggest go for panasonic....cos panasonic in malaysia is very strong and if i not mistaken, panasonic will sell their spare parts out to anyone....mean easily get spare parts....like others brand might not that easy or maybe only sell the parts to authorized dealer.....but i not sure about aircond parts la.....haha....like others electrical/electronic stuff....panasonic is the most easier to get parts cos they will sell it.
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post Jan 18 2013, 10:08 AM


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QUOTE(Pennbattle @ Jan 18 2013, 10:04 AM)
most supplier/shop will suggest go for panasonic....cos panasonic in malaysia is very strong and if i not mistaken, panasonic will sell their spare parts out to anyone....mean easily get spare parts....like others brand might not that easy or maybe only sell the parts to authorized dealer.....but i not sure about aircond parts la.....haha....like others electrical/electronic stuff....panasonic is the most easier to get parts cos they will sell it.
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Panasonic aircond and Panasonic tv/appliances are under different management.
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post Jan 18 2013, 12:16 PM


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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Jan 18 2013, 10:08 AM)
Panasonic aircond and Panasonic tv/appliances are under different management.
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opps....not my field...hahaha....
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post Jan 18 2013, 03:59 PM


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Is Daikin and York air con under the same company?
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post Jan 19 2013, 11:06 AM


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QUOTE(charlieboy61 @ Jan 18 2013, 03:59 PM)
Is Daikin and York air con under the same company?
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In Malaysia York is owned by Daikin
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post Jan 19 2013, 05:21 PM


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QUOTE(cfpang2000 @ Jan 19 2013, 11:06 AM)
In Malaysia York is owned by Daikin
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Thanks for info. So if i buy daikin, then is it the same as buying York?
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post Jan 20 2013, 12:31 AM


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so bad luck...1 of my daikin aircond not working after install....argghhhh.....
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post Jan 20 2013, 12:55 AM


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QUOTE(charlieboy61 @ Jan 19 2013, 05:21 PM)
Thanks for info. So if i buy daikin, then is it the same as buying York?
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Understood from Daikin sales engineer, Daikin split units are manufactured in Thailand but York split units are manufactured in Malaysia.
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post Jan 20 2013, 12:01 PM


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It should be under warranty right?
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post Jan 20 2013, 12:05 PM


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Ya. As I know Daikin is very famous in Singapore. I thinking to use it at the begining. But at the end have a friend told me that after he fix the Daikin, the air corn have some smell when every time he on it (He stay at the same condo that I goin to move in). That y at the end I choose Pana. And the pricing is a different also. Total 6 unit I save about RM 2.5k.
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post Jan 20 2013, 10:42 PM


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How about Mitsubishi?

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post Jan 21 2013, 01:42 PM


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anyone know Panasonic Aircond CS-S10PKH (CU-S10PKH) ~ 1.0HP Inverter how much????
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post Jan 21 2013, 04:55 PM


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4 unit of daikin in my cousin house. after 3 years and no complain from them.
been using toshiba for my house
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post Jan 23 2013, 09:05 AM


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I'm using Daikin Inverter since 2007 for master bedroom. no problem up to now. just that any A/C need to be serviced every 6 months according to maintenance schedule.
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post Jan 25 2013, 02:46 PM


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QUOTE(Rtix @ Jan 20 2013, 12:05 PM)
Ya. As I know Daikin is very famous in Singapore. I thinking to use it at the begining. But at the end have a friend told me that after he fix the Daikin, the air corn have some smell when every time he on it (He stay at the same condo that I goin to move in). That y at the end I choose Pana. And the pricing is a different also. Total 6 unit I save about RM 2.5k.
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I dont think the smell is because of Daikin air-cond, your friend might need to ask the installer to check on the installation.
Save 2.5k for 6nos of AC? is it the same type of air-cond?
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post Jan 26 2013, 10:17 AM


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post Jan 26 2013, 11:55 AM


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I've been using Daikin in my house for the last 4 years without problem.
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post Jan 27 2013, 12:25 PM


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Hi,

I'm using Panasonic

My CEO ( Wife) says it more quiet, which I find is true

I find that this is on critical point ( + must have Inverter)
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post Jan 27 2013, 05:12 PM


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QUOTE(felicia666 @ Jan 26 2013, 10:17 AM)
The entry level standard model for Daikin and Panasonic are priced about the same with Daikin having better features.
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What better features does the Daikin entry level has against Pana?
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post Jan 27 2013, 05:17 PM


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QUOTE(cfpang2000 @ Jan 19 2013, 11:06 AM)
In Malaysia York is owned by Daikin
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York in the whole world is owned by Johnson Control Incorporated.
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post Jan 28 2013, 10:00 PM


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Daikin inverter...uses normal gas...
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QUOTE(mywii @ Jan 28 2013, 10:00 PM)
Daikin inverter...uses normal gas...
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you mean not using enviroument friendly gas?
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post Feb 4 2013, 06:06 PM


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QUOTE(orientaliew @ Feb 4 2013, 02:47 PM)
you mean not using enviroument friendly gas?
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Check the spec properly. There are 2 series of Daikim inverter. One with R22 and one with R410a. Different price though.
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post Feb 5 2013, 09:25 AM


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you mean not using enviroument friendly gas?
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no idea but i think both are not environment friendly....fan is more environment friendly
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post Feb 5 2013, 09:26 AM


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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Feb 4 2013, 06:06 PM)
Check the spec properly. There are 2 series of Daikim inverter. One with R22 and one with R410a. Different price though.
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you be suprised the air cond man also do not know until i tell him and he checked with Daikin. I was told by an electronic shop salesman before.
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no idea but i think both are not environment friendly....fan is more environment friendly
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R22 is HCFC, will be phased out completely by year 2030. R410A is HFC, currently no mandatory phase out date yet.
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R22 is HCFC, will be phased out completely by year 2030. R410A is HFC, currently no mandatory phase out date yet.
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still got 17 years to go.....dont think daikin aircond r22 can last so long...haha....
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QUOTE(mywii @ Feb 5 2013, 09:26 AM)
you be suprised the air cond man also do not know until i tell him and he checked with Daikin. I was told by an electronic shop salesman before.
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So you will need to check on their catalogue and do some study la. There is no way in this world you will survive listening to a salesman. They bring you round the garden and end up in their house before they slaughter you. So do some homework, know what you want, then you wont loose. That is the basic no?
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At first plan to buy inverter type air cond as it is suppose to be power saving type.. Planned to buy Daikin inverter type..

Now go to aircond shop, salesguy say only if usage more than 8hours, the inverter will be power saving.. If use 3-4hours per day, just buy normal type aircond.. Any thoughts? Is it true?
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8 hours may not be correct, If you use more than 2 hours continues, you see some saving.
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8 hours may not be correct, If you use more than 2 hours continues, you see some saving.
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I've come to understand why only long usage it will be worth buying.. Power saving is there even if you use for 1-2hours.. But return of investment, the saving on electric bil is not worth the inverter type aircond due to the price difference between inverter and non-inverter unit..


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QUOTE(xaVier @ Feb 6 2013, 04:29 PM)
At first plan to buy inverter type air cond as it is suppose to be power saving type.. Planned to buy Daikin inverter type..

Now go to aircond shop, salesguy say only if usage more than 8hours, the inverter will be power saving.. If use 3-4hours per day, just buy normal type aircond.. Any thoughts? Is it true?
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Not true. 3-4hr still is a saving.

How much different between 2?
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Just imagine

inverter as driving in good traffic
non interver as driving in traffic jam, stop and go.
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post Feb 9 2013, 10:30 PM


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yes i was told by an aircond friend that if you on for say 1-3 hours there is some saving but not much. In normal aircond when the room temp is reached to what you set, the compressor stops and when the room temp increased, the compressor on and bring down the room temp. This off and on is the sound you hear. You dont hear this on the inverter type. There is higher power needed to turn the compressor on and the compressor has to work fast and hard to bring the temp down again. In an inverter type it just continue to run smoothly...an analogy is that you drive fast and brake, drive and brake compare to driving slowly and smoothly with minimal braking. The latter will save more petrol.

I dont think the normal is much cheaper than an inverter. But it depends of your usage. If you only on the aircond for 1-3 hours then probably one is right that it will not save much. Probably someone can do a calculation.... smile.gif

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yes i was told by an aircond friend that if you on for say 1-3 hours there is some saving but not much. In normal aircond when the room temp is reached to what you set, the compressor stops and when the room temp increased, the compressor on and bring down the room temp. This off and on is the sound you hear. You.... smile.gif
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Not exactly correct - for non inverter ait-con, the compressor is either turn on 100% or completely off, while for inverter air-con, the compressor will be running anything between 0% and 100% to keep the temperature to the set point.

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In terms of saving, yes the inverter unit will provide saving in the electric bill.. But is the saving worth the extra cost of the non-inverter type..

Which brings to another question.. If an inverter unit is installed in a large open area, say the living area which is conneted to the dining area and kitchen.. Will the compressor work at 100% most of the time?

The main objective is only to cool down the living area.. In this case, is a normal type aircond more suitable?
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Not exactly correct - for non inverter ait-con, the compressor is either turn on 100% or completely off, while for inverter air-con, the compressor will be running anything between 0% and 100% to keep the temperature to the set point.
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Not exactly correct. Inverter either stops completely or runs at a certain percentage,say 30 % to 100%. Inverter does not run from 0 to 100%.
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QUOTE(xaVier @ Feb 12 2013, 02:05 PM)
In terms of saving, yes the inverter unit will provide saving in the electric bill.. But is the saving worth the extra cost of the non-inverter type..

Which brings to another question.. If an inverter unit is installed in a large open area, say the living area which is conneted to the dining area and kitchen.. Will the compressor work at 100% most of the time?

The main objective is only to cool down the living area.. In this case, is a normal type aircond more suitable?
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Doesn't matter inverter or non inverter, the main consideration point here is sizing your AC corectly to avoid compressor short lifetime and saving in electricity.

It is true that none inverter runs at either 0 or 100% (cut out/ cut in), but your correct sizing determines how many times it cut out or cut in an a period of time. Say you have a 1HP AC to cool down a 700 sqft. Yes, your little 1HP runs 100% all the time because it is forced to and bacause it can never achieve your set temperature. When there is no stops and compressor runs most of its time at 100%, you waste energy, your compressor die faster because you strained it everyday. However, if you put a 3HP AC, it achieves your set temperature quick with compressor running at less time at 100% compared to scenario above. Again, however, as the non inverter runs only at either 0 or 100%, tge 3HP will have problem maintainibg your set temperature. At full force, it delivers a 3HP cooling. In order to cool down that 0.5 or 1 degC (depending on brands), delivering full force 3HP cooling is not required. Hence you need inverter.

For inveter, you will also need to size your AC correctly. Else your inverter will be acting like a non inveter because that small inverter can never achieve your set temperature.

Size correctly and you will see saving cum a longer machine life.
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Just want to share my experience in selecting air-conditioners for my new house:
I had to buy a combination of wall-mounts and ceiling cassettes, and in the end I mostly went for Daikin R22 inverter models (except for the ceiling cassettes). My reasoning was that I wanted something more environmentally friendly and yet easy on the budget.
I was considering York, Panasonic and Daikin and here were the pros and cons from my own research:
York: cheap and easy to install and maintain. Installers love York because they can make money buying spares to service these. If you are fussy about noise, you will regret after a few years and the build quality is on the lower side.
Panasonic: quiet, but have under-rated compressors. No R-22 inverter models.
Daikin: Daikin is not as well known in Penang, but they have the only R-22 inverters in the market. Their build quality is generally better due to the units being assembled in Thailand (i.e., export quality)

My points for consideration:

Inverter vs non-inverter: definitely I wanted an inverter as it would help lower my electricity bill in the long term, as well as reducing my carbon foot print.

R410A vs R22: requires different piping, plus it is more expensive to install and service R410A at this point in time. Total cost of ownership is lower for R22, and I didn't expect the 2030 phase out of R22 to be a factor for the expected service lifetime of my air-conditioners.

In the end, by default only Daikin met my criteria. Of course it meant some grumbling for my air-cond guy, due to the size and heft of the Daikin compressors tongue.gif Also, the routing for Daikin wiring is slightly different compared to the other brands, so your piping/wiring installers need to be aware ahead of time.
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QUOTE(geekfiredog @ Feb 12 2013, 12:02 PM)
Not exactly correct - for non inverter ait-con, the compressor is either turn on 100% or completely off, while for inverter air-con, the compressor will be running anything between 0% and 100% to keep the temperature to the set point.
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don t know what you are referring not correct...Anyway found this links-
http://singapore-aircon-inverter.blogspot.com/
http://www.airconditioner.me.uk/Benefits_o...nditioning.html

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