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Steam Steam Promotion, Discussion and FAQ Thread V22, PEHU (Pricing Error Hunters United)

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post Jan 12 2013, 08:10 AM

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EA why u no offer Crysis warhead @ 1.20SGD as well? mad.gif
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post Jan 12 2013, 08:15 AM

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Anyone know the Crysis on Origin still got extra DRM? securom?

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GAME USES SONY SECUROM CONTENT PROTECTION TECHNOLOGY. (MORE INFO, INCLUDING HOW TO UNINSTALL SECUROM,
mad.gif NOT buying it. Not even $0.60 SGD poison resist up by 9000%

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post Jan 12 2013, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(memphiz_zero88 @ Jan 12 2013, 12:17 PM)
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post Jan 12 2013, 12:23 PM

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I still waiting this feature to come so can turn all mai metro into gift. brows.gif
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As all the feedback is evidence for, this is just the start of a lot more Steam client updates involving both Trading and the Steam Community / Friends list. There are too many good ideas to list, but it's worth calling out a few items we want to address in the next release(s):
- Better tools for finding & starting trades
- Trading of CD-Keys
- Trading of real world currency
- More friends lists features, including more tagging
- More games hooked up to trading
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/show...8&postcount=720


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post Jan 12 2013, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Beanster @ Jan 12 2013, 12:38 PM)
They will? Steam are very against that. The mod and admin on steam trading forum lock and ban every TS that sell/trade cd key
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because there are too many people got scammed by trading keys. Thats why they ban it.

I still waiting them to implement a proper system to turn game keys into gift so we can trade it inside valve trading system. Valve seems to be slow on adding this feature doh.gif

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post Jan 12 2013, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Beanster @ Jan 12 2013, 12:50 PM)
Turning game keys into steam gift, dont think that will ever happen. There are places which sell games cd key relatively cheap and if that happen the trading economy will be messed up. Even the steam pre order will be affected..
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there is no diff between steam activated CD-KEYs vs steam gifts. How would that be affecting the economy when valve is the one controlling what keys are to be activated in steam?

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QUOTE(talexeh @ Jan 12 2013, 01:28 PM)
You might be interested to read up on Regional Pricing 101 aka Russian keys.
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u could block the user to trade the game with people outside Russian. Shouldnt be hard to implement it.

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QUOTE(Mr.Beanster @ Jan 12 2013, 02:16 PM)
This ^

There are many russian site selling their cd keys for much more cheaper price than steam.

Blackops 2 on steam cost $59.99. I can get it from cd key seller for $40 or cheaper. So if they implement the cd key can change into steam gift feature what would you think will happen? I might as well buy all the preorder cd keys and change them into steam gift and then sell it slightly lower than steam store for profit? Do you still think cd key is the same value as steamgift?
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if u restrict the russian keys only activated by Russian IP/Russian Acc, prohibiting Russian key turned gift to trade with other region acc @ trade windows etc, how would that be a problem?

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QUOTE(talexeh @ Jan 12 2013, 05:14 PM)
Yup, that's what I'm trying to describe. If we compare both Steam gifts & CD keys, we can easily see which one is much easier for Valve to control.

In the past before Steam implements the trade system, we've had lots of scams going on where people received Steam gifts that are not activable in their region. Then come along Steam Trade, where you can easily see the gift description before hitting the Trade button which is pretty neat as it eliminates the probability of being sent a out-of-region games.

If CD keys are tradable, we're actually taking a step backward again. Take for example the last GamersGate fiasco. Someone actually managed to order himself 20 copies of Borderlands 4-pack, which amounts to 80 copies of Borderlands. I can think of at least 2 scenarios that could happen from this incident if CD keys are allowed to be traded via Steam Trade:

1) Just because of GamersGate's fault, Steam suddenly has 80 copies of Borderlands 2 being traded around via its Steam Trade. What if the numbers are even higher due to someone hoarding the CD keys? This is almost akin to money laundering & believe me, someone has brought up this topic in reddit where they found some reasonable proofs that certain parties are using Team Fortress 2 item trading as a money laundering platform.

2) If there comes a point where there's a need to void the CD keys due to some other distributor's fault (price error being a perfect example), they'll have to contact Steam to deactivate those keys that have yet to get activated (those still floating in inventories). Problem is, why would Steam has to get involved over someone else's fault? Moreover, Steam will have to bear the wrath of its users whose keys got voided before they can sell them away.

Just my 2 cents on why CD keys should remain as they are; non-tradable since they present more hassle rather than convenience.
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This is the reason why keys are not tradeable, it is also why I suggest that keys to be allonw turned into Steamgift tobe tradeable. Valve can block the illegitimate obtained keys b4 it turn into giftable copies. They can check/control from there.

Activation process should check that ONLY keys that are sold legitimately can only be turn into gift. Which is not hard to implement.

right now people are still trading keys. It just without the valve checking for them, people are rely on trust. So current system is the keys allow many scam opportunity.

If keys can be turn into gift and use the gift trading system, getting scam by keys trading is pretty much non-existance because the keys are verify by valve first. All valve need is to is make that all keys generated by dev must be registered into steam first b4 being sold outside steam store. Pretty simple.

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QUOTE(talexeh @ Jan 12 2013, 05:54 PM)
The fact that you're allowing externally-sourced entities to be passed around in your own platform is not a very feasible idea, at least to me. Oh well, we can argue all we want but at the end of the day, Steam / Valve will have their own say on such matter. smile.gif
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let just say the whole CD KEY system are broken. tongue.gif There is no safe way to check the CD-KEY are activated or not.
QUOTE(Mr.Beanster @ Jan 12 2013, 05:55 PM)
Some steam gift game have RU tag indicating it is from Russia. ROW is for Rest of The World. They are able to trade it to you but it is not advisable to buy RU game. The selection of language might be different and buying from russian can get your account suspend
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quite frankly valve should have just block the entire gift from trading away to steam accs/IP adress that isnt Russian via the trading system. I am quite surprise they dont have such feature yet.

An unaware steam user could accidentally got his acc suspend if he is trading with his Russian friend.

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QUOTE(Ksano @ Jan 12 2013, 06:53 PM)
not sure i`m slow or not.

crysis for S$1.20 at origin
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lol I decided to buy it and play the pirate version until EA decides to remove securom. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(memphiz_zero88 @ Jan 12 2013, 08:27 PM)
need at least RM1200+ sad.gif
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says a person who own 600+ games. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(memphiz_zero88 @ Jan 12 2013, 08:54 PM)
700+ la doh.gif sweat.gif

spend most of it on my xperia play tongue.gif
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stop @ 700+ lah, 2 more months u can play high end rig already

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DoW is meh compared to CoH. Although diff theme, I pass as well.

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QUOTE(legendgod @ Jan 13 2013, 08:23 PM)
Any1 who bought the Crysis 1USD the other day wana ask..Can u launch and play the game?
Im getting some errors..googled it and seems many people same problem
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I havent install the game yet(no plan to play the game until EA remove securom mad.gif ), but I suspect Securom is the one to be blame lol hmm.gif

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QUOTE(lanux128 @ Jan 15 2013, 09:03 AM)
hmm... someone who already contacted Steam's CS says otherwise.. hope they don't take away the 20% thing..

http://www.reddit.com/r/GameDeals/comments...back_on/c7wzybf
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lol there goes mai dream of buying my second copy of Skyrim(for my bro) @ price error rate
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RM5 per ley not fair lol, those expensive game like darksider 2 should charge moar tongue.gif
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QUOTE(memphiz_zero88 @ Jan 15 2013, 05:53 PM)
dun gip me ideas  drool.gif
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I giev u evil idea, u charge moar on expensive title then discount the those already have in THQ bundle. Sure the pack will be filled. brows.gif

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