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SUSPink Spider
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 Feb 10 2014, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 10 2014, 03:05 PM) How much did the big name UT perform AFTER fees?  and also KLSE index?  I compared against the total return but before deducting sales charge/commission, management fees are already factored into total return. FBM KLCI past 12-month return...9.26% (from Fundsupermart.com chart generator: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...ter_switch.svdo ). Means that I beat index but underperformed the better local equity fund managers. Some of the funds delivered >20% return...some small-cap funds double of that  This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Feb 10 2014, 03:10 PM |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 10 2014, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 10 2014, 03:52 PM) Your portfolio is dividend heavy...so is less volatile, have you considered the volatility of your portfolio compared to those portfolio which is primary growth portfolios? You gotta compare apples to apples... Oh yahor...forgot bout volatility  In that case my performance is decent |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 10 2014, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 10 2014, 04:10 PM) You really take the pain to work out your return My portfolio value grew alot from Jan 1, 2013 to Dec 31, 2013, but that's because I injected a lot of cash into my trust account. Don't know how I can work out the return... Volatile shares may fare better in some years, and do poorly in others. But over long term, say 10 years, I believe volatility doesn't matter as the returns even out... If u know the formulas, Excel will kaotim all for u Put it simply, profit is calculated by Portfolio value LESS cash invested (purchases plus transaction fees) ADD cash withdrawn (sales less transaction fees) ADD cash dividends received This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Feb 10 2014, 04:38 PM |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 10 2014, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 10 2014, 04:21 PM) It depends on the individual risk tolerance .. some people can stomach low risk and some do not mind high risk. Volatility is a measure of those risk.... Of course those with low risk tolerance will tend to collect the low risk shares such as dividend shares, REITs, bond etc.. but they trade lower risk but with lower gains. Those with better risk tolerance will go for the higher risk growth shares thus over in the long run will tend to do better but with more ups and downs throughout the years. It also depends you have the emotional stability to hold high risk shares, if you panic sell and panic buy.. you will not do well in the long term although you have high risk tolerance.  But...volatile shares will have wilder price swings, hence entry/exit timing is more crucial; wrong entry could mean forever cannot breakeven. |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 10 2014, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 10 2014, 04:50 PM) If I invest cash in the beginning of the year that is simple. But in actual case I invested cash throughout the year. Dividends also came in in different time... Better you give me your Excel template lah give u my e-mail means revealing my Facebook  My formula: total paper profit/(loss) for the year + total dividends received during the year x 100% portfolio VALUE at start of year + (total cash invested/(withdrawn) during the year)/2 That will more or less even out the investments made during the year. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Feb 10 2014, 05:21 PM |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 10 2014, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 10 2014, 05:42 PM) email is so yesterday Ever heard of Dropbox? FB is also very yesterday. I don't even bother to install FB app on my smartphone... So, your formula will only give approximate value  U wanna be more anal? 
total paper profit/(loss) for the year + total dividends received during the year x 100%portfolio VALUE at start of year + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Jan x 11.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Feb x 10.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Mar x 9.5/12 + total cash invested/(withdrawn) in Apr x 8.5/12 and so on until Dec This will really smooth out the timing  This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Feb 10 2014, 05:54 PM |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 10 2014, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 10 2014, 08:58 PM) If I sell a counter, but use the cash remains in the trust account, is it still considered cash withdrawn? To make things simple, better to treat sale of shares as cash withdrawn. Else u would be incorporating return of your trust account deposit in your P/L calculation This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Feb 10 2014, 09:00 PM |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 10 2014, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Feb 10 2014, 10:13 PM) Are you sure it's 9.26%? Let me check Bloomberg terminal and get back to you on that. That's what I got from FSM chart centre |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 11 2014, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Feb 11 2014, 08:37 AM) That means purchase of shares is also treated as cash invested, even if I only use the money in the trust account? Yes. Purchases = IN Sales = OUT Ignore trust account movements and transactions. |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 13 2014, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 13 2014, 09:49 AM) Oh well.... this one have to blame Pink Spider he says this foundation specialist company unknowned... Soli lo I don't touch construction and property stocks  |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 13 2014, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 13 2014, 10:04 AM) Hahaha dont worry lah.. we just tok kok here only... Well thats another chicken run jor... but still can catch or not... Your Bon Senturi how? |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 13 2014, 10:07 AM
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9288...my boss looking at it |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 13 2014, 10:40 AM
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with DY 6%, who cares if the price go nowhere...just hold for divvy  |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 13 2014, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 13 2014, 10:40 AM) So... you interested? Dah cakap aku tak sentuh construction stock lo |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 18 2014, 04:38 PM
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JTI is looking tasty now |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 18 2014, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 18 2014, 05:10 PM) Not tasty enough.... 5.1% yield, low payout ratio and net cash for rokok stock, not gooding? At least way better than BAT... This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Feb 18 2014, 05:42 PM |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 18 2014, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 18 2014, 05:42 PM) But growth is negative... No lar...got 1-2% annual growth lar...based on my own ANAL geh lysis |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 18 2014, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 18 2014, 05:58 PM) Your hupseng show good results geh...  See my siggy...u still see Ping Pong? 3.3% yield and P/E 22 on current price...mana boleh This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Feb 18 2014, 06:01 PM |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 18 2014, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 18 2014, 06:03 PM) Ya overpriced already de... But you will never know.... Revenue growth is there but very minimal Earnings decent, but margins would have to increased by A LOT to justify current valuation lor. Ping Pong is not Holland Lady or Nescafe... I'd rather bail out. Switched all to DiGi and enjoying it thus far This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Feb 18 2014, 06:05 PM |
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SUSPink Spider
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Feb 19 2014, 10:39 AM
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Anyone can comment on the technicals of JTI? Yeah, I'm a fundamentals investor...but I wanna find a good entry point too  |
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