in case anyone mistaken, i'm not part of any TAME program
but i don't mind to share and learn myself.

i don't recall MAS ever announce its TAME intake before. may be i just miss it. but i think they already start to do so now. go check up their website. u can join also AK and Transmile Tame program if u don't mind working with those company. The way i see it, any TAME program is sure way to be a LAME

Yes, I'm agree with u.But how can u explain some of them are change their requirement? why MAS is no longer take the SPM leaver? And the same goes to APR even if we are going to pay? (i just want to ask..no hard feeling) and I think most of my point is true rite? Because I keep watching people says go to this and that but there is nothing. Peolpe here needs something to guide. and what about the talent and attitude if there is a cable? Is there a quality there? The word "cable" scare most of the talented person. furthermore, airlines in Malaysia is small. Except MAS, AK and Transmile, where can they go? The question is, is it enough for all the talanted person in Malaysia. Even some of big company scholorship's student also fail in university and college and some of the self-sponser student done better that. Because they use money. they know how to appreciate. but they ok. Cuz most of them are not dealing directly with life. And "hundreds of life", I think I have don't nothing wrong about that..

Correct me if I'm wrong..
Cheers..

My guess is (I m NOT from MAS) they're trying to raise the standards..
Current Form 5 leavers as compared to the good old days is of 'lower standards'. Most can't even converse English to an acceptable level, let alone written English. Sorry to say but somehow our education standard has lowered..
So the next best step is diploma holders...

Your other issues.. I wont comment.. for now.

About 'hundreds of life'.. imagine you certifying for a job done on the aircraft. Aircraft flies 10-12 hours a day. Every flight carries 180(A320) passengers. Average flight ,short sector is 1 hour, so 10 flights per aircraft per day. 10 X 180= 1800 passengers per day per aircraft. Certainly you DO NOT certify ONE aircraft but the WHOLE fleet. Do your maths..
FYI, your certification will be valid and kept until 2 years after the aircraft has been withdrawn permanently from service.
Look at this scenario: MAS has been operating its B737-400 for 20 years... my certifications are still kept in the archives and subject to scrutiny if there are 'incidents'...FYI, I left MAS 7 years ago..


This post has been edited by jazzy939: Oct 11 2007, 03:08 AM

for example...some or them can't pass the interview, but with a passion, they manage to take the exam and pass (providing the experience or studying abroad)...is there any alternative way for them (those who can get through the airlines programe) ?

DIY ler.. masuk private school like APR.. MIAT (maybe) or work as a technician and get the license on your own effort.. hard but NOT impossible.

That's what I want to say. I guess I have nothing wrong rite? thanks for ur feedback. and I'm sorry if I did something rude. This field really need an experience guy to be a mentor. So we can have a guide. And there is a lot out there that has no experience person in their family to guide them. And they will give up in the 1st place. Some of them that I know, they know nothing about this except the money. So no more talking about the salary in here rite? hehehe...What you love, is what u really love. Thanks again.. Hope to have a chat with u someday..

Hundred will scare them enough to get more serious on this field. hehehe...

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Added on October 11, 2007, 3:21 amYes. that's what I want to say..Try to get ur dip in this field will help u lot. Apr needs a dip person. And in Miat, of course we going for a dip 1st. To get a work with no qualification is quite imposibble rite? Unless u get "cable" (cable again).

Cheers..

This post has been edited by ezi23: Oct 11 2007, 03:21 AM

Get my hands dirty to see the plane fly ? Hell yeah !!

i may be a newbie here (or maybe not qualified to speak), but i'll share my thoughts on this. if you talk about age being a barrier, i don't think it is, to me at least. i'm 19, and with airasia as a TAME now. maturity isn't the word, but passion. i sincerely believe that anything is possible as long as there is a passion for it. i have batchmates who are 18 and are totally new to the aviation world, but they seem to be coping just so well with the training. anything is possible, as long as there is effort & passion. like you said, maybe for some, their eyes are filled with dollars and cents, but i doubt with that attitude, they can go far. how do i know? i USED to have the similar perception before. but nothing beats the realisation acquired once you're really into the job.

my take is simple, go for it if that is what you want.

OT: sir jazzy, you weren't invited for the buka puasa yesterday? haha..

u got it right there underzoom..nice quotes..



This post has been edited by LesLie85: Oct 11 2007, 10:27 PM

@ TS : maybe u can make a member list in this thread?

It was an eleventh hour invitation which I would have come but had an earlier appointment, so had to give it a pass. Maybe (IF) there would be a Hari Raya Gathering later, I'll make an effort to be present...

I think everyone has a right to say something here. After all we all man enough. No one is going to cry in his room. Maybe I see some other people, and you see another part of people. maturity is not about you r smart and get highest mark, but it is the way you thinking. I got a brother that are very smart but his not mature. If u stduying in one of the academic, try to look at your friends. try to imagine that u fly with an aircraft that he sign.try it..What I just want to say here, get more serious about this. rather then talking about "toyol"...

sekian..salam aidilfitri..maaf zahir dan batin..

ahaw, thats a good proposal !

so long,i jus keep quiet n stay underground
seem like i hv 2 cross over here
1st,greeting 2 sir jazzy and sir ahaw
n lestat,my "senior"
selamat hari raya 2 all

i think i should speak a little here
jus skip my view if ur guys dun like it

age n maturity
hm...

ur guy talk about tis huh

age n maturity DOES apply in TAME,o academic collage
ur guys oni c a part of it
but i saw both

sir jazzy n ezi23 n underzoom
age n maturity does play a rule
young age sure is suitable 2 start learning
(i'm not from TAME)
but,honestly,tats always a group of ppl who dun noe how 2 take it serious n appreciate wat they doing
som of them r young n not mature enof 2 concentrate wat they future do
somtime they thinking like : i hv a place now,who care,lets show outsider my future is rich man
but,
sure got som of them r young,but they hv d passion n appreciate coz hard 2 get in tis field
n they do better

my view?
age n maturity DOES play a important rule
but depend how they thinking,if they work so hard,sure can get d licence
but i think sir jazzy should noe/can let others noe d ratio of ppl who get license in MAS TAME few years back
wat r they doing there??tats y they come out wif dip holder idea??

to others
passion/smart/money eye/ambition
either 1,is not determine u can handle tis job not
tis job need responsive(think fast),patient(need time 2 gather xpericence),"tensile strength"(able 2 handle tension[i think sir n senior noe this "name"]),n few others

passion/ambition wont guide u anyway,u hv passion,but do u do research 1st bfr asking??passion,i doubt it
i search all info i can get on d net bfr go further.if u duno wat is requirement for MDCA license,then do ur homework bfr u dream
smart?even u can get 10A,doesn't mean u able 2 handle all situation. Xpericence came 1st,i sure sir jazzy n sir ahaw do so

think how far u can go
if u hv prepared,jus go FORWARD,try n try


sory 2 all,dun get hard feeling
i'm d 1 who take it seriously n appreciate wat i get now
selamat hari raya,maaf zahir dan batin

This post has been edited by rasmuswil: Oct 14 2007, 12:39 AM

some people they see what they "can" see...but others who live with them, see their true colour. but, nobody can judge a people just like that right? base on experience, they try to choose the best. but maybe teenage nowadays are too "manja" (some of them might not)..just hope they get more seriuos an appreciate what they have now..

happy eid from SZB MAS Enggineering Team



@rasmuswil : lets create a mature n professional environment in our rather 'small' aviation community. i agree w jazzy oso agree w rasmuswil, ezi n others. one thg 4 sure,those young guns are Malaysian future. Different approach need for different type of person...

to become a troubleshooter, u must to learn from experience trouble shooter.

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p/s: me oso a newbie in this industries... just express your opinion so others (with experience) can help to clarify it.
tht is the reason we r hvg this thread right? to help each others and built + strengthen our interest/passion through err u know wht it is

This post has been edited by ahaw: Oct 15 2007, 05:17 PM

SELAMAT HARI RAYA AIDILFITRI to everyone here and the aviation industry from me.

Thats the idea of an apprenticeship training in the first place. You'll learn the tricks of the trade from the 'masters' of the trade. Who are the masters? Basically the engineers themselves! You'd be surprise how the experienced/seasoned engineers approach to technical problems.. their troubleshooting skills and above all the DECISION MAKING process.These are the skills NOT tought in the text books. These are what the apprentice were supposed to observe and learn when they're doing the OJT. Also the technicians/mechanics. They have many 'tricks of the trade' up their sleeves, these are the things you(the apprentice) need to pickup and learn!

Glad to say that the AA Academy took a step further by assigning a 'mentor' instructor to a particular batch of trainees, basically to see their progress academically, provide guidance where necessary and give them advice and talks for motivation. Can be done individually or group session.
The future success for the company and our local aviation industry depends of these new generations.

I have done my part, time for me to share the experience and give the guidance. If you can't be better than me, at least be as good as me which is NOT impossible. Thats my challenge to my trainees.

yes, all the opinion is right. I'm also a learner. need a lot ( a lotX10000000....... ) of guidance. what i'm sad of is when i read through this forum (1-40pages). and i try to tell the situation that might the "teachers" wouldn't see. I don't want them to ruin their opportunity. I love this field so do you. I don't want any people underestimate this field. some people born with a talent, but some people with fully hardworking will same or more with the talent's person. I'm not against the "teachers". I just try to tell to our generation. and eventhough i not learn from you guys (maybe just for now), i'll take the challenge!..thanks sir! cheers..

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Added on October 14, 2007, 6:10 pmand one thing, it is not the course, the acedemy, the airlines or the "teachers" that i talk about ( or against ). is about the "student" attitude...cheers..

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Added on October 14, 2007, 6:12 pmeid ul mubarak to everyone!

This post has been edited by ezi23: Oct 14 2007, 06:12 PM

long live 'lead' master jazzy...pls b my instructor...haha

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Added on October 16, 2007, 12:36 pmanyway u all...if u ave any enquiries...ask master jazzy...he's the grandmaster...long live master jazzy!!!

This post has been edited by trent: Oct 16 2007, 12:36 PM

learn from sir ahaw n sir jazzy



p/s: i'm "newbie"'s noobie