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post Dec 14 2012, 07:37 PM

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My friend had test driven it and he said handling not good and way too much torque steer. The engine overpowers the chassis.
I also read the comparison article between MPS vs FD2R vs Megane RS and the MPS despite the cheapest price still end up being the lowest score due to handling.
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post Dec 14 2012, 08:31 PM

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Straight line of course it will trash the Golf GTI, it has bigger engine and a lot more power. But yeah, people have their own preferences. Better test drive then decide.
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post Dec 15 2012, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 15 2012, 02:13 PM)
How come the Mazda MPS has torque steer while other similar powered cars  like the Golf GTI don't have torque steer?
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QUOTE(wayfeel @ Dec 15 2012, 04:15 PM)
VW gti is not as power as Mazda MPS. MPS eats the gti for breakfast.

the VW Golf R is competitor for Mazda MPS and teh Golf R is an All wheel drive
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Not necessarily just because of the power I think. FD2R even if you tuned it to make as much or even more power than the MPS, the steering is still very steady. My friend's FD2R for example, dynoed around 260HP already but the steering is still very straight when you whack it hard! FD2R & Golf GTI are just superior FWD car compared to the MPS.
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post Dec 15 2012, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(wayfeel @ Dec 15 2012, 09:34 PM)
so the MPS power really more than what it can take huh. myb truly need an aftermarket upgrades lol

so if u and your relative ,to choose again, which one will he & u will buy?

but i believe megane is about rm270-280k right?

for such price, its a no brainer that MPS is the one for rm 170k. that's 100k alot to improve the MPS and I like MPS design all the way. Megane is more exotic or exquitsite. MPS OTR so f***ing nice.

I don't mean to be cynical, but high speed feeling of stability is quite subjective ,no? if normal car can do 180 also, im sure MPS can do 200 & more, np. but im not sure if RS cup is AWD or FWD like MPS?

if we talk about RS cup, myb can talk about the Focus RS also  (or is it ST?) lol
myb also due to the transmission?
VW is just amazing with what they can do.
they just simply done everything in the right way.
cept for the DSG durability lol in china , the DSG pain is massive that the gomen pass a bill to 'force' VW to cover 1 year warranty for their gb . Sumfin' like that, dont rmb exactly what
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The Megane is selling at around rm230K.

I wouldn't say stability is subjective. Some cars are just really more stable and give a lot more confidence at high speeds. Of course as to how fast one can say a car is stable or not is a bit subjective depending on skills and balls, but if at the same speed one car is more stable than the other it's not really subjective but more due to the way the car is designed & setup.
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post Dec 16 2012, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(wayfeel @ Dec 15 2012, 09:52 PM)
i read somewhere the RS cup about rm270k ,myb my bad. *update* ya, is rm230k lol

If 200 over....whats the reason of not getting the Golf  over the megane. the Gti is luxurious and performance enough, without the torq steer

although each time i see an golf gti, yea la, it never fail to impress me , nice la, admiration la, ooh lala

but it just not like when see an MPS...

mybe cuz my blood is JDM

beside mps>megane cuz 4drs hehe
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One reason is the Megane is still available in manual! It also has more power than Golf GTI and surely faster for time attack. In fact if I remember correctly it's currently the quickest FWD car around Nurburgring. Some also like the look which is a bit more different.
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post Dec 19 2012, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Dec 17 2012, 09:32 AM)
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Added on December 17, 2012, 9:33 am
We all know FD2R is the torqueless wonder.. that is why you don't have torque steer. It is not called 'Torque' steer for nothing.
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Not really torqueless lah. My friend's car has pretty good torque especially after 6000 rpm and pulls hard even with 5 people on board. smile.gif
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post Dec 19 2012, 11:27 PM

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Well Honda's Type R engines are always like that and designed to be like that anyway, small engines making big max power at the top range.
You want big grunt down low, tough to beat big displacement engines.
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post Dec 20 2012, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Dec 20 2012, 12:27 AM)
That is why it is called a torqueless wonder.. esp when max torque is right next to max power.. which is right next to the redline.


Added on December 20, 2012, 12:29 am
Do you actually know anything about vtec? It has no usable torque. By the time the usable torque aka your 'pull' feeling comes in, it is already almost redline and you have to change gear. That is why vtec engines gets the torqueless wonder title.
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FD2R max torque is around 6000rpm while max power around 8500 and redline is 9000rpm, so still got around 3000rpm in between. smile.gif
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post Dec 21 2012, 09:20 AM

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For turbo cars, many also not yet spooling up until you hit 3500rpm. Some using big turbos to achieve very high max power actually becomes much slower in low-mid rpm since the boost only comes effective on higher rpm. So some turbos also like VTEC but with much more kick.
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post Dec 21 2012, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Dec 21 2012, 12:43 PM)
When you say many, were you just referring to Japanese turbos.. 10 years ago? Comparing the guys who mod big turbo is also like those guys modding their vtec for high power to the point where their max torque, hp and redline falls within 1000rpm zone. Turbos nowadays are more subtle and no more big fat laggy turbos pre year 2000 days.

We can't run away from turbo-lag and spooling times but our turbo-lag is definitely way shorter than VTEC lag... I have nothing against the vtec boys. Had lots of fun with them last time but I just want to make the point that it is not as easy to drive as most people think. It is also not that fun to drive. Blasting down a straight road demon shifting every gear inside VTEC zone is fun. Driving it daily outside of vtec is no that fun.
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Well not really 10 yrs. Evos and STIs still need over 3000rpm to spool, right? Of course already got much improvements but like you said, you still need to expect the lag and spooling time and not to mislead that all turbos can kick already from 2000rpm. And the bigger the turbo for more max power, the more apparent the lag and spooling become despite the technology.

I also have nothing against turbo cars cause in fact I'll take any Evo any day anytime over any VTEC cars, cuz I agree with you that turbo lag is less than VTEC lag while still giving more power in the end. smile.gif But still need to admire Honda for introducing and taking the design approach of still sticking to NA with relatively small engines in order to achieve high power. It's like trying to emulate F1 engines, small but able to rev so high to get the power.

Aiya, we're already diverting some else topic. Maybe should revert back to the MPS. biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Dec 21 2012, 09:04 PM

 

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