i still think this tered is the best preserved troll tered

oh wai....this is kopitiam right?

We are all here for fellowship make friends with one another.

Christian community is kinda hidden, that's why we have this "lounge" to hang out.

It's your own right to see from your very own perspective. Lastly it's your choice that no one can change unless your own self

i was looking for church around seapark...is that any? i'm methodist btw......please pm me...thx

Pmed.

got question here for christian.

does christian used the word @llah in their preaching?

If they use Indo bible or Malay ... why not?

in sabah and sarawak, yes. usually used by the natives.

so u shud know how disappointed sabahan n sarawakian in selangor are.

is it proper to use that term in christian preaching, or just some mistake from past being keep carry on till now?

I have been approached by christian in past in kl, very long time ago, but never see/heard them using that term.

go into churches that have indonesian sermons.

or orang asli churches in pahang/terengganu. Some even small huts in the forests.

you never see or heard them because the most common in peninsular are english, mandrin and tamil.

indonesian service usually starts in the afternoon and only some churches have it (where indonesian workers are living nearby)

and yes, its a proper term.

when translations are done by the missionaries, they use the words most familiar to the locals.
Allah being a known term for the Supreme Being, and it so happens has the semitic root words in hebrew and aramaic. so it became the proper translation in the malay language.

This post has been edited by mobileapps: Jan 23 2014, 01:09 PM

How is that a mistake? Its a word, derived from arabic language, adapted by the languages of the natives.

Christian spread its religion in multiple languages.

Chinese, Indians attend English speaking or Chinese speaking or Indian speaking church services. They have their own term for God in english, chinese and indian.

Iban, bidayuh, etc use Allah for god, and they attend BM speaking or native language speaking church services.

Which is why u only see the term Allah in BM/Iban/other native language bibles.

so it actually is due to translation?

imo, this is not proper.
just like if you trying to translate bible for chinese, you shouldn't use "guan ying" or "dian ti" as the supreme-whoever in the christian, it's just wrong.

the "special" term, are reserved specifically for that particular faith.

thank you for clearing up. at least now i know it's due to translation, ease for native to adopt, but it's not the origin/proper term.

In chinese, the Supreme Being is translated as Shang Di. Shen is common word for god/lord. Shang Di is Lord of lords or The God.

Guan Yin is a diety only.

Also, Arabic Christians have long been using Allah long before Islam emerge. If you wanna argue about christians then and now are different, you're wrong.
Muhammad had confirmed them to be same by mentioning the three natures of God the christians worshipped, in the Quran.

Muslims also acknowledge the same God Christians worship - the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Both sides are worshipping the same God but different in features in each religion.
The word Allah came from aramaic Alaha, and Elah in hebrew.

If anyone wanna lay claim on Allah, it should be the Arabs and the Arab Christians. Not malays, not muslims.

sekian

This post has been edited by mobileapps: Jan 23 2014, 01:18 PM

Yes, cos the Al kitab(malay Bible) has the Allah term. The preacher has to read the scriptures during his/her preaching and it being a religious service, they would surely need to refer to the Al Kitab, the BM service that is.

As the other forumer stated, Arab Christians have using Allah since before Islam came about. Apparently they were the ones who told the missionaries Allah is the translation for God(according to NECF in a inter religion forum where PAS was also present).

The Aramaic word for God is Elah, El. It is used in certain parts of the Bible include the gospels. Remember Jesus was from the same region as Muhammad.

Btw, both Tuhan and Allah is used. 'I Am the Lord your God', 'Akulah Tuhan Allahmu'
All this has been explained countless times in RWI and Kopitiam. For further discussin on Allah issue, go to RWI, dont want long standing thread to get nuked

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Jan 23 2014, 01:34 PM

Just to add, the prophet Muhammad never forbid the christians from using Allah either even if they view Allah in three roles.

In fact, Muhammad even ordered the muslims to respect the christians, safeguard their lives and properties, and do not place them in any way under compulsion.

If the Prophet himself have no issue, who then are we to have issue with it?

I am weak, I need GOD...

If you're familiar with the Bible, we call this spiritual blindness.

Ah don't get fooled by the local propaganda.

The word "Allah" predates Islam.

Which means before Islam existed, Arabic already use the word allah to refer to God.

I'm not interested in islam.

let specifically focus on the question, is that word should be "used" in "proper" christian preaching/teaching?

or i can change this question to another context:
does christian in western countries, such as europe/us/aus, use that word in their religion?