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Oh why are you arrested in the first place?
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Feb 22 2013, 04:41 PM) Ah I thought it was because of the huge amount of tithing.Anyway, I speak prophetically by Faith, Everything will be okay for you. Stand on God's promise. Everything works together for you. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 22 2013, 08:40 PM |
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Last Year SPM paper
Now now, who wants a start? even though it is just 17 year old level Christian knowledge, I cant even answer everything fully Note that this is an exam. No Scriptural reference etc but with learned knowledge. Thou shall not cheat ![]() This post has been edited by Jedi: Feb 23 2013, 05:51 PM |
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![]() QUOTE Romans 1:17 NIV Hi People,For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." Just want to share something interesting. I've asked in my Heart to God once, Why Faith? Why does God emphasize a lot on "believing"? You can see this pattern from Old Testament to New Testament, God wants us to live a life by Faith. And the Holy Spirit gave this revelation. Because the very first attack from Satan was doubt in Genesis 3:1. There is a Bible hermeneutic law of First Mention Principle that whatever is mentioned for the first always has significant meaning. The appearance of Satan and the first weapon used by him was mentioned here for the very first time. Today the weapon of doubt is so institutionalize in Man they find it hard to believe in God. They even have an organization for that. It's called Atheism. God in all his glorious wisdom foresaw this, and said Without Faith it is impossible to please God...(Hebrews 11:6) Adam and Eve didn't have any problem believing God. But today you can see everything is so reversed. That is why the Righteous shall live by Faith. Faith is the opposite of doubt. God is restoring what was lost in Eden via Faith. The more you live in God, (meaning living a life mindful of God), by His grace, your Faith will run like a well oiled engine. My friends, as Christians, you should never live this world with the principal of this world. Satan is the one who institutionalize doubt into the world. You will lose out by that principal. Live a life of Faith but let your faith hangs not on the principal of this world but the word of Jesus. When you make Jesus central to your life, tiny Faith can move intimidating mountains. Providence and Healing will be accessible to you. You can pray and things happens. Peace, joy and stability of mind is yours for the taking. Nothing is greater than the one who is in you. Amen? God Bless. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 23 2013, 06:35 PM |
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Feb 23 2013, 05:50 PM) Last Year SPM paper lol, not easy to answer without the Bible.Now now, who wants a start? even though it is just 17 year old level Christian knowledge, I cant even answer everything fully Note that this is an exam. No Scriptural reference etc but with learned knowledge. Thou shall not cheat ![]() I guess even preachers must learn to have good memory to preach. |
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Feb 23 2013, 05:50 PM) Last Year SPM paper As i am a foreigner, can help me to explain :-) ... ? I tot in malaysia no christian public school / private school ? I mean school is the ones accredited by ministry of education.Now now, who wants a start? even though it is just 17 year old level Christian knowledge, I cant even answer everything fully Note that this is an exam. No Scriptural reference etc but with learned knowledge. Thou shall not cheat ![]() |
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Feb 25 2013, 01:13 PM
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So you see, faith by itself isn't enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless. |
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Faith and works are inseparable; they are two sides of one thing. What is called faith in Hebrews is called works in James. Works are the evidence of faith, whereas faith is the source of works. If one says he has faith yet does not have the works of faith, his faith is dead. Therefore, where there is justification by faith, there must also be justification by works. James 2:26 says, “For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.” From James 2:14 onward, the relationship between faith and works is discussed. There is a kind of faith that is without works, vain, superficial, and dead. However, there is another kind of faith that has works and is living. Works prove and perfect faith. James used the cases of Abraham and Rahab as evidence to prove this point. Finally, he used one illustration: “For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.” A living faith must have works, because faith without works is dead just as the body without the spirit is dead. To be justified by faith is for the receiving of the divine life (Rom. 5:18); to be justified by works is through living the divine life. Since the living is the issue of life, to be justified by works is the issue of being justified by faith. Abraham's offering of Isaac and Rahab's receiving of the messengers and sending them out are works that issued from their living faith. A living tree surely brings forth fruit. Being justified by works is not inconsistent with being justified by faith. The latter is the cause, bringing forth the former; the former is the effect, the outcome and proof, of the latter. This post has been edited by pehkay: Feb 25 2013, 01:31 PM |
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There's nothing wrong with works or obedience but it can NEVER be a source you depend on to justify yourself before God.
It is a Sin to do that because it speaks of self righteousness. God hates that. Then you might ask me, what's the point then? 2 Reasons. 1. It is a testimony unto Man (not God) that your Faith is not just empty talk. 2. You obey because you are already made righteous. It's NOT that you obey to be righteous. Now I've sparked some key points that conventional Christian may not understand. You're welcome to question how is it so. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 25 2013, 02:27 PM |
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We (me and bro Unknown Warrior) discussed it in V5 and it was clear
Protestants:“Good Works have nothing to do with getting into heaven. Faith alone is what gets you into heaven.” (Some) Protestants don't believe in the necessity of good works for salvation (faith alone). Catholics believe that good works are a necessary fruit of one's faith. Catholics and Orthodox: ''Faith must go hand in hand with works for a Christian, to get into heaven'' Misconception: Some Protestants think that Catholics add beliefs to what is necessary for salvation; Catholics believe that Protestants subtract beliefs as to what is necessary for salvation. The real confusion which I found out today afterall: works of flesh or works of faith? Why exists this misconception? 1) The Protestant New Testament contains the same books as the Catholic New Testament. Although Luther showed great hostility to St. James's Epistle because of its doctrine of the necessity of good works and contemptuously called it an "epistle of straw," he clearly saw that he had no more reason for excluding that book than he had for rejecting the other books of the New Testament. The differences between the Protestant and Catholic New Testament arise from changes in specific passages in various books of the New Testament. 2) There are many who have pointed out that Luther added the word, "alone" to Romans 3:28 (you can read one such example in this question) so that the Luther Bible reads: for we reckon a man to be justified by faith alone without deeds of law where the Greek reads: for we reckon a man to be justified by faith without deeds of law From wiki 'Luther Bible',The word "alone" does not appear in the Greek texts,[9] but Luther defended his translation by maintaining that the adverb "alone" was required both by idiomatic German and the apostle Paul's intended meaning. Answer: Yes and no. Yes he added it, no it is not the atrocity that it necessarily implies. Part of Luther's defense of the translation is that inclusion of the word "alone" is more grammatically correct than its exclusion. His problem, though, is in the interpretation of the verse. If we're being true to the original Greek the passage is better understood, "of the set {faith, works of the law} man is only reconciled by faith." Causes: Because when he was RCC Monk, He was a faithful person who did all his best to imitate the life of Christ. But he felt that something was missing. He felt that what he did was NOT ENOUGH, that people are still dying, quarreling etc. Being a theologian and he is a professional theologian when it comes to St Paul's doctrine especially, one day he found new meaning in the Letter to the Romans. (Something like Buddha getting enlightenment) There, he understood that his actions were in vain because he lacked faith. Then, he started to be more faithful than ever, and he did not care about actions for actions without faith is dead. But he had forgotten this, Faith without action is equally dead. Protestants (some, who do not grasp the Scriptures properly or listen to a certain Pastor/anyone alike bashing RCCs) accuse Catholics of trying to work our way into heaven, as if our works precede our faith. They have it exactly backwards. Our faith precedes our works. Faith in Jesus and the resultant works go together like fire and heat. You can't have fire without heat, and you cannot have true faith in Jesus Christ without good works. Jesus cursed the barren fig tree in Matthew 21:19 because it didn't bear fruit. Yes, it was a fig tree with leaves, but a useless fig tree because it didn't do what it was supposed to do - bear fruit. Scriptural Accounts Good works are the fruit of our faith, according to Paul in Colossians 1:10. Jewish works of the law, which Paul condemns in Romans 3:28, are not good works. James 2:24 PLAINLY says - You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. Matthew 5:16 commands us all to do good works as a way to let our light shine before men, so as to give glory to God. In Matthew 25, at the final judgment, only the people who performed good works got into heaven (Matthew 25:31-46). The people who did not were banished into hell. In those verses, Jesus said that whatever we do for the least of our brethren, we do to HIM. Matthew 7:21 says "Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (In other words, one has to do the good works prescribed in Matthew 25:31-46!) In the book of James, God declares through Scripture that faith without works is dead (James 2:14-17). Who wants dead faith? Dead faith is no faith at all. True faith in Jesus has good works embedded in it. Paul says that scripture makes you complete by equipping you for every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Paul also says in Colossians 1:10 that good works are the fruit of our faith; This is so important because Jesus cursed the fig tree in Matthew 21:19 because it did not bear any fruit, and in Matthew 7:19 Jesus says that every tree that does not bear good fruit is to be cut down AND THROWN INTO THE FIRE. Jesus says that we will do greater works than He did (John 14:12). The only useless kind of works are old Jewish works of the law (Galatians 3:10), like circumcision, ritual hand washing, and dietary laws. These useless works of the law are certainly not good works, which we have to do as a result of our faith in Jesus Christ, and which we were created for (Ephesians 2:10). Hebrews 10:24 says to stir up one another to "love and good works", which indicates that love and good works GO TOGETHER. 1 Timothy 6:18 says that the rich are to also be rich in good deeds, so that they can attain heaven. Titus 3:8 says that those who believe in God must do good deeds, because they are excellent and profitable. Therefore, Catholics, just like Jesus Christ and his apostles, don’t do good works in order to be saved; rather, we do good works because that is what Jesus expects us to do if we truly have faith in Him. Doing good deeds is the imitation of Christ's life on earth, who raised the dead, healed the crippled, and made the blind see. St. Paul says that there are three things that abide; faith, hope, and love, and THE GREATEST of these is LOVE, not faith - reminder (1 Corinthians 13:13). Faith in Jesus Christ and the resultant good works go together like heat and light from a flame! Pretty hard to separate those two?! To sum up, All Christians should hold the same Truth So, my dear bros, if Faith is the Door, Entering the Door (receiving faith), you see God, our Lord Jesus, you go and kneel/hug him etc (JOY and ELATION) = receiving grace One who opens the door, HOWEVER, may decide to ENTER or NOT TO ENTER. U may have faith (u open the door), to receive Grace if you truly have faith is another matter. One can proclaim Lord Lord but doing things that is not in the name of the Lord. Faith + Grace = Fruits of Faith (or Works as stated in Bible, BUT NOT WORKS OF LAW - Self Righteousness) Faith in Action is Love, Love in action is Service - Blessed Teresa of Calcutta |
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Feb 25 2013, 01:31 PM) Twofoldness of the truth Nice! Faith and works are inseparable; they are two sides of one thing. What is called faith in Hebrews is called works in James. Works are the evidence of faith, whereas faith is the source of works. If one says he has faith yet does not have the works of faith, his faith is dead. Therefore, where there is justification by faith, there must also be justification by works. James 2:26 says, “For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.” From James 2:14 onward, the relationship between faith and works is discussed. There is a kind of faith that is without works, vain, superficial, and dead. However, there is another kind of faith that has works and is living. Works prove and perfect faith. James used the cases of Abraham and Rahab as evidence to prove this point. Finally, he used one illustration: “For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.” A living faith must have works, because faith without works is dead just as the body without the spirit is dead. To be justified by faith is for the receiving of the divine life (Rom. 5:18); to be justified by works is through living the divine life. Since the living is the issue of life, to be justified by works is the issue of being justified by faith. Abraham's offering of Isaac and Rahab's receiving of the messengers and sending them out are works that issued from their living faith. A living tree surely brings forth fruit. Being justified by works is not inconsistent with being justified by faith. The latter is the cause, bringing forth the former; the former is the effect, the outcome and proof, of the latter. |
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And Olga C4 a refreshment by our bro:
Salvation lies in Grace of God (His authority) alone. QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 25 2012, 10:03 PM) Before I start. I would like to make one thing clear. BY no means I'm advocating a Non-Obedience doctrine. Those who claim to love God should walk a lifestyle of obedience to God as a prove of your proclamation. The Bible says If anyone claim to love God but hates his brother is a liar. (1 John 4:20) The Bible also says if anyone obediently practise love, Jesus and The Father will come and make their Home in Him. (John 14:23) This is also one of the multi-facet meaning in this verse John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in spirit and in truth. In spirit denotes (John 14:23), In Truth denotes (1 John 4:20) Now I will start preaching. ![]() Salvation By Grace Alone. Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. Grace is unearned and unmerited gift of God. A gift, by definition, it's something given to you freely, something you didn't work for. Of course The Lord's Salvation was not without a cost. It cost Jesus Christ to suffer and sacrifice his life, so that we don't have to. This verse Romans 11:6, is the strongest prove that Salvation is only by Grace and not of works. Because Man can turn even obedience into works. Of the Flesh. Ephesians 2:9 (NIV) Says not by works, so that no one can boast. Romans 4:2 (NIV) Says If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about--but not before God. 2 Timothy 1:9 (NIV) Says who has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time, Titus 3:5 (NIV) Says he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, A lot of Christians are not secured about their Salvation. Just like your Friend who cry in dilemma that He's not ready. Do you know why? Because they think it's is their act of performance plus their Faith that secures their Salvation. When they have not performed enough, they tremble in fear. But that is not what Romans 11:6 says. The Holy Spirit Makes it very clear in Romans 4:5 (KJV) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:5 (ESV) And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, The Apostle Paul says in Philippians 3:9 (NIV) and become one with him. I no longer count on my own righteousness through obeying the law; rather, I become righteous through faith in Christ. For God's way of making us right with himself depends on faith. Ephesians 2:8 (NIV) Says For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- And They always use this quote. Faith without works is dead. Quoting from the Book of James. Works is the result of Faith. Therefore Salvation is justified by Faith + Works. My Dear Friends, That Scripture verse is meant for Justification before Man, not God. The Holy Spirit, spoke to me about this revelation, with this part. Look carefully in James 2:22 & 24. The Starting words in those 2 verses are "You see" Who is this "You"? Yes, they refer to us, Not God. So James is referring to all our brothers and sister, it's not just empty talk but our action that counts, that justify when we say We love our Brothers, that justify when we say We love God. We need to walk our talk. But you must understand one thing clear, dear Friends, our obedience can never make us righteous. It can never save us even couple with Faith. Yes. There is no double talk with God. God gave us the 10 commandment to prove that we cannot save ourselves through performance. The more we try, the more we will Fail, even couple with Faith. It will not work. Do you know why? Galatians 3:19 (NIV) explains it Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people. The Law was designed and given to make Man come to the end of himself. To show our sins. Full stop. It was given to let us know, our self effort is pointless and this is so expressed so vividly by Paul in Philippians 3:9. He said I no longer count my own righteousness through obeying the law. So the question now is, whose obedience matter to God the Father? Romans 5:19 (NIV) answers it. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. It is Jesus's obedience that God the Father literally accepts as righteous. Not yours. not your Friends, Not your Pastors, nor any Priests or Saints. But when you put your Faith in Jesus's atonement, God the Father imputes Righteousness into your account as a gift. So tell your friend who felt he has not done enough, to relax. Since when it's his obedience? No Dear Friends. Only God deserve and gets the Glory. It is Jesus obedience that makes all of us righteous. So start walking in assurance, that your Salvation is eternal redemption! Amen. When you have the right foundation and believe, obedience comes naturally as a fruit, it is no longer a root for righteousness. I hope you will share this to your friend and let the word of God set him free, Amen? God Bless. |
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Praise God.
Thank you Father for opening up their spiritual eyes and ears. Proud of you, Jedi. Phew. I think we need to press on to the next subject. This thing has been bugging me for sometime. Our weaknesses. I believe Satan has thousands of years of experience against humans and their forces knows everybody's weakness. If whatever weapon works, Satan will not hesitate to use it against us, so that we stumble and fall and become bad testimonies to others. (he knows my weaknesses as well.) For some it's pornography, money, unforgiveness, hatred, jealousy, persecution, etc. We need to walk in the peace of God. The Shalom peace of Jesus. Because when we are able to walk in the shalom peace of God, nothing can touch our lives. Really nothing. I'm gathering all the materials. Let see if this week, can release something. Shalom guys. |
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Faith had helps me going thru a lot of trouble without doubt. I can see path within my trouble. It might be narrow and hard to walk but once I step in it with faith, all the path looks bigger & wider in it.
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My point exactly.
and The Devil attacks Faith if Faith works. You can see demoniac workings even in this forum. He will attack anything that works and glorify God. His main objective is to separate you and God through disbelieve. So I believe we need this devotion. |
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Ill start on Satan and how we can cope with it. It was already taught by our Lord Jesus.
![]() Luke 4:1-13 QUOTE Filled with the Holy Spirit, Jesus returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the desert for forty days, to be tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and when they were over he was hungry. The devil said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command this stone to become bread.” Jesus answered him, “It is written, One does not live on bread alone.” Then he took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a single instant. The devil said to him, “I shall give to you all this power and glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I may give it to whomever I wish. All this will be yours, if you worship me.” Jesus said to him in reply, “It is written: You shall worship the Lord, your God, and him alone shall you serve.” Then he led him to Jerusalem, made him stand on the parapet of the temple, and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down from here, for it is written <----Even Satan can use the Bible against us if we are not careful, proud of ourselves and not seeking humility: He will command his angels concerning you, to guard you, and: With their hands they will support you, lest you dash your foot against a stone.” Jesus said to him in reply, “It also says, You shall not put the Lord, your God, to the test.” When the devil had finished every temptation, he departed from him for a time. It is good to address this matter, here I would share what Pope Benedict has said in His second last sermon last Sunday on the balcony (angelus domini). It is really good. QUOTE Temptations are part of the ‘descent’ of Jesus in our human condition and in the abyss of sin as well as of its consequences. - addition: We know this from Augustine of Hippo who first preached about Source of Sin and coined the term - Original Sin. Really, our lives on earth are a pilgrimage journey. To come from God and to go to God - that is our life purpose on Earth.The core of these temptations is always to exploit God for some lowly ends, giving more importance to success or to material goods. The tempter is sneaky: he does not go directly to evil, but to a false good, making one believe that the true reality is power and that this meets one’s basic needs. “God becomes secondary in this way, (He) ultimately becomes unreal because he no longer matters and thus vanishes. Faith is what is ultimately at stake in temptations because God is at stake. Jesus is “the hand that God has tended to man, the lost sheep, to bring him back to safety.” We do not have to fear facing the fight against the spirit of evil since “Jesus took our temptations to give us his victory.” “The important thing is that we do this with him, with the Victor,” The typology of Jesus wandering in the desert with Old Testament: Book of Deuteronomy 26:4-10 QUOTE ‘My father was a wandering Aramean who went down to Egypt with a small household and lived there as an alien. But there he became a nation great, strong, and numerous. That is why Letter to the Romans by St Paul 10:8-13 indicates: QUOTE Brothers and sisters: What does Scripture say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart —that is, the word of faith that we preach—, for, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved. For the Scripture says, No one who believes in him will be put to shame. For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all, enriching all who call upon him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Really, It does not matter whether you are who, from where, born where, because God is God of the living, and Since He creates everything, He is God for All. By the way, I understand majority here are not Catholics. But I am asking you all to pray for a good conclave for an election of a good Servant of God for the next Pope. There are so much allegations about improper conducts of Cardinals and it is very heartbreaking, even for an 85 year old who is retiring this week. Indeed, Christianity has alot of problems, Satan infiltrates even into the very church. Thank you for your prayers and intentions! |
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