Because y500 price is too much for some people.
like me. =)

man now im so confused. y580 vs y500 vs y400

I guess the first main question would be GTX660M vs GT650M and I really dont understand all the jargon on the comparison sites. I guess in the real world, while actually playing games, does it make a somewhat significant difference?

thenext would definately be that I dont understand what this whole ultrabay thing does. from my understanding basically its a slot where you can replace the the DVD drive with a harddisk and case or another graphic card and case. I guess that would be useful if playing super high demanding games. but otherwise its useless. the reason this is confusing for me is that I dont play too many games. im not a gamer. but when I do play accidentally start of playing something, the whole world shuts down for like a week. last time I did that was 2 years ago. ive been on rehab ever since.

3rdly now a lot of sellers dont have the y580. and y500 is quite expensive i believe. does the price drop if I dont buy a nother graphics card and go for a simple DVD drive instead? the y480 is around the same price as the y580 non blu-ray. but some sellers say its 14 inch and some say its 15.6. im confused. also is it 1080p full HD? cuz im not sure.

other than these which is a better machine in terms of looks, build quality and structure and cooling etc ? I really have no idea about all this.

hoping to get some real world answers that a semi-nerd-semi-noob can understand

Y580/Y480/Y400 would be in your prefered range dude. Nuff said. and Y480 and Y400 (being that is 14") no FHD capable,trust me. Cooling wouldn't be a problem coz your not really a hardcore gamer these laptops handle well in idle operations and some multimedia tasking so cooling problems don't seem to be an issue here. Since you also plan to use an external display this seems just right for you. Upgrading SSDs should be ok if you concern about data performance and heat issues the Y580/Y480 had but not Y400 coz it has betting cooling design. At least with the basic spec you could get these under rm3000 and less.    Hope this helps you~

Lenovo has formally admitted that all y500 units with a manuf date prior to 11/28/12 have a touchpad issue "
After careful investigation, Lenovo has determined that a portion of Y500 systems with Elantech touchpads manufactured in November prior to 11/28/2012 could exhibit abnormal touchpad response characteristics. This is isolated to the Elantech touchpad assembly on these systems. Y500 systems manufactured after this date should not be affected.

Y500 disable the HD4000 and no optimus, prevent me from buy Y500.
Do Y500 able to keep in long run(3~5years) with NVIDEA on full time.

Do y580 really phase out recently? any rumor of Y580 sequel?

Owner of Y580 Window8 version.

Nice laptop, but seem like wifi reception is not really good. Anyone?

any1 facing this problem??

i need to try few times to get my y580 to turn on sumtimes

nope. but mine sometimes will have a long loading time after the windows logo. blank screen but bootable.
windows 8 btw

i thought win8 boottime sud be faster??
wonder why my y580 have dis kind of problem

i thought win8 boottime sud be faster??
wonder why my y580 have dis kind of problem

Gonna buy a Y580 soon, is it still good at this time around?

It's definitely faster. but sometimes it will hang after the logo. not everytime. must be some processes that it's running. Have you notice any unknown process running on your rig ?

nothing strange  in de task manager as far as i know(maybe i not pro enuf to find it out )

any link?