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Einjahr
post Mar 21 2013, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 21 2013, 11:53 AM)
these lease deal is on the table for quite some times.
I think it will replace either hawk or f-5 rather than migs.
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Why not rafale?
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post Mar 21 2013, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 21 2013, 02:04 PM)
Why not rafale?
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to replace migs.
possible only for SH, Rafale and EF.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 21 2013, 12:10 PM)
Gripen-NG were out off the competition right from the start.
it did not match the requirement.
than Saab come back with a lease deals hoping for the government consider it for others fighter jet replacement rather than hopping to replace migs.
F-5 and Hawk have been in the inventory for very long time. biggrin.gif
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There was an enquiry into Gripen NG when SAAB proposed Gripen for MMRCA project. But SAAB said no can do since its still in development. Maybe Mindef saw Gripen NG as a possibility since Erieye is hot favorite for AEW project. So the idea of leasing Gripen came about..

Tho better get battle-proven Rafale..
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post Mar 21 2013, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Mar 21 2013, 02:11 PM)
There was an enquiry into Gripen NG when SAAB proposed Gripen for MMRCA project. But SAAB said no can do since its still in development. Maybe Mindef saw Gripen NG as a possibility since Erieye is hot favorite for AEW project. So the idea of leasing Gripen came about..

Tho better get battle-proven Rafale..
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I dun think they favor single engine fighter jet to replace migs.
Mindef have put in a strong requirement on dual engine fighter since then the SAAB camps were silence.
however last years with Erieye project become much more visible, Saab try again with gripen lease deals.
again I dun think they were intend to replace Migs rather they are hoping government to review the replacement on older fighter jets.
wont surprise me, if government take a step to replace bae hawk or f-5 after migs replacement.
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instead of replacing the F-5s, how about if mindef spare some of them to modify them to UCAV..I have great confidence that the STRIDE and local universities capable of doing just that..
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Mar 21 2013, 07:58 PM)
instead of replacing the F-5s, how about if mindef spare some of them to modify them to UCAV..I have great confidence that the STRIDE and local universities capable of doing just that..
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not just congress approval. The airframe is already old. It require complete overhaul which is quite costly and a rather wasteful expenditure for an obsolete platform. every aircraft got Airframe lifecycle. that's the reason why Australia choose to phase out F-111 even tho it's still a very capable aircraft.

Anyway, i notice we got JDAM. also we got GBU-10. That's a big ass bomb. 2000lbs if i not mistaken. We could've flatten Tanduo village with one of those.
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US Navy may add conformal fuel tanks to F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fleet
The CFTs, which Boeing has pitched to potential buyers as part of its Super Hornet international roadmap, would allow the F/A-18E/F to carry more than 1,590kg (3,500lb) of additional fuel. "Adding these tanks would make a great deal of sense," says Mark Gunzinger, an airpower analyst at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. "The navy really needs to extend the reach of its carrier air wings. Increased range will be needed for potential operations in the Pacific region and elsewhere."

The USN's efforts to add CFTs might be part of the service's plan to hedge its bets in case of further delays to the Lockheed Martin F-35C, or if budgetary pressures force the navy to abandon that variant. "At this point, the F-35C is easily the most troubled variant," says Richard Aboulafia, an analyst at the Teal Group. The USN has always been lukewarm toward the stealthy single-engined fighter even if senior service leaders always publicly profess that the service "needs" the F-35C.

But there are questions as to whether the Super Hornet can support the added weight and drag of the CFTs without seriously impairing its aerodynamic performance. "One problem with CFTs on the F/A-18 is that I'm not really sure it has the power," Aboulafia says. "If they put CFTs on the [Boeing] F-15 and [Lockheed] F-16, they're fast jets. But the Super Hornet is already pretty much slowest in class."

Boeing officials have previously said that the addition of the CFTs does not add any cruise drag, but they admit that the appliqué fuel tanks would have a negative impact on the aircraft's transonic acceleration because of the increased waved drag. Transonic acceleration has always been a weak spot for the Super Hornet, and many pilots say the aircraft is seriously underpowered compared to other fourth-generation fighters. "You're talking about something that impairs its performance for an aircraft that already has some performance issues," Aboulafia says. "But it might be worth it, given the issue of finding an alternative to the F-35C. It's certainly worth experimenting with."

If the USN were to add CFTs to the F/A-18E/F, it might also have to upgrade the aircraft's twin General Electric (GE) F414-GE-400 afterburning turbofans which produce 22,000lbs (98 kN) thrust each, Aboulafia says. GE has previously touted an enhanced performance engine (EPE) variant of the F414, which could produce 26,400lbs (120 kN) thrust. It would, however, require a redesigned fan and a new high pressure core. But Aboulafia questions if GE can deliver on those promises. "I'm not sure how much more thrust you can get out of that series," he says. "Maybe there is a bit more they can go that would give them the power."

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 21 2013, 02:04 PM)
Why not rafale?
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gripen are interim solution to fill 5 years gap before Rafale comes into TUDM
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Saab 2000 AEW customer signs five-year support deal

Saab has received a contract worth SKr1.1 billion ($170 million) for a five-year programme of in-service support for the Saab 2000 airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) system aircraft operated by an undisclosed nation.

Signed on 21 March, the deal will cover the aircraft and their Saab Microwave Systems Erieye active electronically scanned array radars through to 2017, and "concerns a comprehensive set of spares and support services", the Swedish company says.

Flightglobal's MiliCAS database records Pakistan as being the only nation with an active fleet of Saab 2000 surveillance aircraft. Its air force flies four AEW&C-roled examples, and has an additional example in use as a transport. Islamabad's aircraft originally entered use as regional airliners between 1995 and 1997, according to MiliCAS, but were converted for the airborne early warning mission and delivered from late 2009.

With a mission endurance of almost 10h and five on-board operator stations, the aircraft can perform surveillance tasks from an altitude of more than 30,000ft (9,150m).

MiliCAS also lists the Royal Saudi Air Force as having ordered one Saab 2000 each in the AEW&C and military transport configurations, but says these are not in use.

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dari http://malaysiaflyingherald.wordpress.com/ :

" During the previous LIMA 2011, Saab has made its commitment by announcing that the company will collaborate with DRB-HICOM with regard to the support service of the Saab 2000 AEW&C which, just like the EMB-145, uses Erieye radar on its platform. As has been posted here, it seems that 2013 might be a good year for the RMAF as rumour has it that AEW&C deal might be signed during the coming LIMA 2013. Interestingly, Saab 340 was said to be selected to fill the RMAF AEW&C requirement."


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Akhirnya..

ambik jugak Gripen. huehuehuehue
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Mar 21 2013, 07:58 PM)
instead of replacing the F-5s, how about if mindef spare some of them to modify them to UCAV..I have great confidence that the STRIDE and local universities capable of doing just that..
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US Congress wont approve and its an old airframe already. However, why not modify it into kamikaze fighters.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE(sgwc @ Mar 22 2013, 09:25 AM)
Akhirnya..

ambik jugak Gripen. huehuehuehue
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havent selected yet la..anyway, I still believes TUDM will get Cik Rapeah.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Mar 22 2013, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 22 2013, 12:35 AM)
gripen are interim solution to fill 5 years gap before Rafale comes into TUDM
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yeah but rafales are far more superior fighter. Oh well, how soon can we expect rafales ?
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Mar 22 2013, 09:28 AM)
US Congress wont approve and its an old airframe already. However, why not modify it into kamikaze fighters.. tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
havent selected yet la..anyway, I still believes TUDM will get Cik Rapeah.. thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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China is doing that with their migs21. laugh.gif
heard they have few hundred of that.

QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 22 2013, 09:34 AM)
yeah but rafales are far more superior fighter. Oh well, how soon can we expect rafales ?
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unknown.
it will take at least 2-3 years from the contract signed.
if TUDM is waiting certain tech then it will be longer.
there is a possibilities gripen will replace those old f-5 and hawk.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 22 2013, 10:21 AM)
China is doing that with their migs21. laugh.gif
heard they have few hundred of that.
unknown.
it will take at least 2-3 years from the contract signed.
if TUDM is waiting certain tech then it will be longer.
there is a possibilities gripen will replace those old f-5 and hawk.
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Let say Gripen will replace the F5s and Hawks, while either Rafale, Typhoon or F18F will replace the MIG29s. Then we will come back to the problem of having 4 different jets in our inventory and will cause havoc to the maintenance crew..
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Mar 22 2013, 10:26 AM)
Let say Gripen will replace the F5s and Hawks, while either Rafale, Typhoon or F18F will replace the MIG29s. Then we will come back to the problem of having 4 different jets in our inventory and will cause havoc to the maintenance crew..
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The ideal for tudm.
HMRCA - SU-30MKM.
MMRCA - SH + Hornet "LD battle Proven tongue.gif "
LMRCA - Gripen. replace both F5s and hawk.
Training - YAK-130

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The various different fighters we have seems to have been a trend for our airforce. Good to see though at LIMA, imagine a fleet of rafale, gripens/SH, f18, su-30s! drool.gif

Speaking of which, anyone else attending LIMA next week?maybe we can meet up for a TT session?
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 22 2013, 07:33 AM)
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still think Saab 340 AEW not suitable for TUDM,
saab 2000 or Embrace 145 more suitable,
Saab 340 and 2000 already end for commercial market but still sell for military used.

hope fully order aircraft MPA too.

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 22 2013, 09:34 AM)
yeah but rafales are far more superior fighter. Oh well, how soon can we expect rafales ?
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about 5 to 7 years!
Gripen will fill MIG shoes in those years!


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