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post Dec 16 2012, 02:59 AM

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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Dec 16 2012, 01:03 AM)
why cant us spilt 50% for SH 50% for rafale?

would love to both also. hahaha
but i know it is imposible because both plane are not same.

tech. used also almost not the same.

hard to get maintenance ain't?
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Maintenance is not a problem.
we just need to setup a new department for Rafale.

the big problem is the budget. IIRC we only allocate USD1bil for the 8-18 jets.
I highly doubt if there will given special budget. biggrin.gif
if you split I dun think we can get the desire amount of aircraft.
it is a whole differ story compare to the migs case. IIRC we get the migs very cheaps price.
the rafale price tags in whole new level.

Saab were playing it smartly "lease the gripen perhaps they even throw in AEW deals as well".
I'm seeing these deals is much higher for split buying.
special budget for AEW is highly possible compare to special budget for jet fighter

QUOTE(acam2812 @ Dec 16 2012, 01:10 AM)
wanna challenge SG maybe. y no buy stealth plane? T-50 look good. kekekekke
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we did not challange SG.
Airforce have to fill in the gap when the migs retire.

QUOTE(budi bahasa budaya kita @ Dec 16 2012, 01:42 AM)
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/conspiracy/
Sebenarnya masa Dr.M berkuasa pihak US memang tak duduk senang policies Dr. M yang agak aggresive terhadap Singapore.
apabila Dr. M dah retire US pun dah turunkan weapons restriction kat Malaysia.
pada masa yang sama pertukaran politics kat US dan kuasa China pun menjadi factor utama AS membenarkan Malaysia membeli senjata yang higher standard.
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SH merupakan salah satu MMRCA yang tulen sekali kalau dibandingkan ngan fighter yang lain.
Malah saya pasti SH memang higher standard compare to EF dan rafale.
dengan SH block 2 offer kat Malaysia akan tingkatkan kuasa udara kita.
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post Dec 16 2012, 03:17 AM

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QUOTE(budi bahasa budaya kita @ Dec 16 2012, 03:07 AM)
Australia punya F/A-18 super hornet.. ujian pengeboman dia.. dasattttt !! kababooooooooooommm !!!! shocking.gif

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tak payah ambik itu.
Saya lebih suka kalau kita ambik JSM. cuma bayar cost integration aje.
tak ada masalah politic or restriction.
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post Dec 16 2012, 03:20 AM

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QUOTE(budi bahasa budaya kita @ Dec 16 2012, 03:15 AM)
yinchet.. kalau betul-betul nak angkat F/A18 Super Hornet.. mau paling kurang angkat sekali peluru berpandu ni
pastu buat joint-excercise dengan Australia.. indon kalau tahu ni mesti terkencing ke terberak terus diaorang  brows.gif kababooom.. range atas >370 km tu !!


jet MMRCA Malaysia kena mesti pasang taring terbaik.. jangan jadi cam kes dulu nak mengaum nampak gigi rongak pula, habis jiran semua gelak besar je.

antara taring terbaik untuk jet MMRCA Malaysia kalau angkat F/A-18  icon_idea.gif

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rasanya kita tak dapat JASSM. tak tau lar. tak salah kalau kita tanya mana tau dapat juga. laugh.gif
JSOW mungkin boleh dapat.

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post Dec 16 2012, 07:09 AM

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QUOTE(ET-Force @ Dec 16 2012, 12:50 AM)
So, bye2 to Rafale?

1 more thing, are we trading all of out hornet to get SH?
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SH deal is more to political factors, to pleased the US!
same like what we did during the MIG, we buy MIG the US merajuk and we have to buy Hornet in small number

Maybe same again this time, in small number, the current hornet is heavily upgraded and maybe an addition about 10 plane or more while we will keep the current hornet
so the line will be more like this
18MKM (Air superiority) + 6MKMII (Pure interceptor)
18 Rafale/Typhoon (MMRCA)
12 Gripen (Leased until MMRCA come)
8 F18D (Upgrade Hornet) + 10 F18E/F (Super Horney)
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QUOTE(budi bahasa budaya kita @ Dec 16 2012, 12:59 AM)
camtu pula..

bukan ke perancis dan UK lebih kurang sama je dia punya cuaca ?? semua pun eropah gak.

lain citer la kalau super hornet.. amerika punya cuaca, ada bahagian kat tempat diaorang yang dekat sama cam malaysia..
cam yang korang tengok citer cowboy amerika lawan red indian tu.. cuaca kat sana ada yang betul-betul panas terik, tapi humidity rasanya malaysia tinggi lagi.

kalau cuaca la yang jadi point atreyuangel nak bash eurofighter, maka pilihan yinchet iaitu superhornet la pilihan terbaik nampak gayanya bukannya rafale. whistling.gif
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macam aku cakap la, Rafale depa jemur tengah panas, BAe ada buat ke waktu lima?

ada satu lagi point, Rafale dah ada cop Battle Proven waktu kat Libya
long range mission, bomber protection, deep striking etc2
Typhoon ada? whistling.gif

lagi satu, baru2 ni BAe kecoh dapat tembak Meteor, sedangkan Rafale dah lama tembak meteor nih!
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prefer angkat F-35.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 16 2012, 07:30 AM)
macam aku cakap la, Rafale depa jemur tengah panas, BAe ada buat ke waktu lima?

ada satu lagi point, Rafale dah ada cop Battle Proven waktu kat Libya
long range mission, bomber protection, deep striking etc2
Typhoon ada?  whistling.gif

lagi satu, baru2 ni BAe kecoh dapat tembak Meteor, sedangkan Rafale dah lama tembak meteor nih!
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Thats why I prefer the Rafale, quite durable, excellant avionics and BATTLE PROVEN....tho SH also quite good, and since US weather also got hot and humid, its also not manja like Typhoon..

QUOTE(acam2812 @ Dec 16 2012, 11:24 AM)
prefer angkat F-35.
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F-35 already running into some problems..
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is it because F-35 is running on single engine?

So if we get f-18 SH do we get the F-18F (2 seater) or F-18E (single seater)?



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QUOTE(budi bahasa budaya kita @ Dec 16 2012, 12:59 AM)
camtu pula..

bukan ke perancis dan UK lebih kurang sama je dia punya cuaca ?? semua pun eropah gak.

lain citer la kalau super hornet.. amerika punya cuaca, ada bahagian kat tempat diaorang yang dekat sama cam malaysia..
cam yang korang tengok citer cowboy amerika lawan red indian tu.. cuaca kat sana ada yang betul-betul panas terik, tapi humidity rasanya malaysia tinggi lagi.

kalau cuaca la yang jadi point atreyuangel nak bash eurofighter, maka pilihan yinchet iaitu superhornet la pilihan terbaik nampak gayanya bukannya rafale. whistling.gif
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ape gila ke ape? buat perbandingan berdasarkan tengok cite cowboy? doh.gif dei btw europe cuaca ada 4 season , UK winter sgt harsh la.. & summer panas tapi tak macam malaysia kita panas terik hujan badai sepanjang tahun tau?
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If they won which ever jet... Is it easy to integrate into our overall defense system?


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post Dec 16 2012, 01:41 PM

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Malaysia needs more frigate
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post Dec 16 2012, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Dec 16 2012, 07:09 AM)
SH deal is more to political factors, to pleased the US!
same like what we did during the MIG, we buy MIG the US merajuk and we have to buy Hornet in small number

Maybe same again this time, in small number, the current hornet is heavily upgraded and maybe an addition about 10 plane or more while we will keep the current hornet
so the line will be more like this
18MKM (Air superiority) + 6MKMII (Pure interceptor)
18 Rafale/Typhoon (MMRCA)
12 Gripen (Leased until MMRCA come)
8 F18D (Upgrade Hornet) + 10 F18E/F (Super Horney)
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lolol.
banyak wet dream.

QUOTE(acam2812 @ Dec 16 2012, 11:36 AM)
is it because F-35 is running on single engine?

So if we get f-18 SH do we get the F-18F (2 seater) or F-18E (single seater)?

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not because of single engine.
it is because it new tech and the performance is not up to the standard as the paper 1st proposed.
lack of funding.

Two seater.
we are getting block 2 as well.
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QUOTE(minizian @ Dec 16 2012, 01:40 PM)
If they won which ever jet... Is it easy to integrate into our overall defense system?
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can the only thing is money.
Anyway most of our system are western block.
Even our Russian equipment is modded with western tech into it.

QUOTE(souless223 @ Dec 16 2012, 01:41 PM)
Malaysia needs more frigate
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sure we already order 6 units.
would be the most advance ship in TLDM fleet.
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are we getting in F18G Growler like Aussie did?
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QUOTE(acam2812 @ Dec 16 2012, 01:52 PM)
are we getting in F18G Growler like Aussie did?
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we currently don't need Growler.
we need decent amount of fighter jets.
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QUOTE(budi bahasa budaya kita @ Dec 16 2012, 01:15 PM)
ada sampai dekat 40celcius macam Malaysia tak ??
..cuaca macam kat Malaysia kau letak hot dog tengah-tengah panas masa acara LIMA tu,
10 minit lepas tu dah boleh makan dah aku ingat, masak dengan sempurna hot dog tu..  laugh.gif

kat UK ke Perancis ke boleh buat camni ke ?? citer cowboy aku pernah la tengok cowboy nak mati kehausan sebab panas terik, jenuh mencari pokok kaktus nak ambil air dari akar dia  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

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Ada lagi satu faktor cuaca, iaitu humidity!


QUOTE(minizian @ Dec 16 2012, 01:40 PM)
If they won which ever jet... Is it easy to integrate into our overall defense system?
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Yep, as we're using european and american avionics even with teh MKM!

QUOTE(budi bahasa budaya kita @ Dec 16 2012, 01:54 PM)
yinchet Atreyuangel lupa masukkan AWACS / AEW&C

kalau jadi la kita angkat super hornet patut ally terus dengan Australian Air Force..
boleh belajar dengan diaorang camne diaorang setting diaorang punya AEW&C dan super hornet sampai boleh kababommm camni sekali  icon_idea.gif

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AEW datang skali ngan jet. E2D kalau full SH squadron, setakat 10 bijik tak dapek yoo.

Kalau Typhoon Casa 295 (tp no to Israel parts, BAe kata depa bleh buat)

Dassault.. err aku lupa hahhaha
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Militants battle Pakistani police after attacking airport
By Jibran Ahmad | 16 December 2012 Sunday | 7:20 pm

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) - Militants holed up in a half-built house in the northwestern Pakistani city of Peshawar battled security forces on Sunday after taking part in an attack on a nearby airport the previous night, officials said.

All five of the militants who were holed up in two buildings under construction were killed by the afternoon, a provincial government and army official said.

The shoot-out erupted hours after an attack on Peshawar airport. The military declared the airport secure after killing five attackers who rammed an explosives-laden vehicle into the outer wall of the airfield and battled guards after dark on Saturday.

The raid on the airport was the biggest assault on a high-profile military facility in Pakistan since gunmen stormed an air base in the province of Punjab in August, and underscored the resilience and reach of Pakistan's Taliban insurgents.

The Pakistani Taliban, who have been fighting for more than five years to overthrow the state, said they had sent 10 men to attack the airport.

"Five militants were hiding in an under-construction house near Peshawar airport," said Mian Iftikhar Hussain, a spokesman for the provincial government, on Sunday.

"All of them were suicide bombers. They had weapons and hand grenades."

One policeman was killed and two wounded in the clash on Sunday, he said.

During the Saturday night attack on the airport, three rockets slammed into a nearby residential area. Health and police officials said at least four civilians had been killed and 45 wounded in the flurry of blasts and gunshots.

Authorities sealed off the airport, which handles military and civilian traffic, during the attack and suspended flights.

The gritty streets of Peshawar, the gateway to the Khyber Pass and Afghanistan beyond, have often been shaken by bomb attacks and shootings, but residents said this was the first significant raid on the heavily guarded airport.

(Reporting By Jibran Ahmad; Editing by Robert Birsel)


http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world...acking-airport/
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World Air Forces 2013
By Tone Eye | 11 December 2012 Tuesday

The Ruag sponsored World Air Forces 2013 provides worldwide military fleet data compiled from the Flightglobal databases.

The report also includes global fleet analysis from the Flightglobal’s Insight team.

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media...013-101015.aspx

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Dec 16 2012, 01:45 PM)
sure we already order 6 units.
would be the most advance ship in TLDM fleet.
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bro, Gowind tu frigate or SGPV?
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Dec 17 2012, 11:43 AM)
bro, Gowind tu frigate or SGPV?
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Gowind itu frigate.
SGPV itu cuma nama project. laugh.gif

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