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ave666
post Dec 1 2012, 01:15 PM


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Hi, I just want to know about lowering myvi. Some said if you have lowered the myvi,your tires will makan sebelah because the lowered spring. Will adjusted chamber will overcome this problem? Also what part will broken if car sagat to road bumper at taman2 perumahan? Does change sport spring only will do lowering car without change together with sport absorber? Can original absorber will than lama?
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post Dec 1 2012, 06:02 PM


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Lowering usually will increase the camber a bit and hence can cause the inner side of the tires to be worn out more. You can do realignment to minimize this and in most cases it will not cause too much excessive wear compared to before lowering. Most cars on std condition should have <-1 camber. With lowering it can reach -1 to -1.5 which is still ok for street use. If after lowering your car camber even more then you may need camber nuts to help bring it back.
If your car hit those speed bumps etc. in the under body, it should be ok. Most of the the time, it's the muffler/exhaust pipes that get's hit and can break but only if severe case. What you need to be more careful is usually the front lip spoiler/bumper of your car which often can get scrapped when going up/down on ramps in/out of malls.
In terms of absorber, it depends on the sport springs that you use. If the spring rates are very stiff/high compared to std then you may need to change the absorbers as it's not strong enough to dampen the spring movements. But there are many sport springs which are still compatible with std absorbers too, for example Tanabe NF series. Of course there's still effect to the lifetime of the absorbers as it definitely has to work harder to dampen the slightly stiffer springs but in general should not brake the absorbers so fast. Maybe just reduce the lifetime a little bit only.

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post Dec 1 2012, 06:54 PM


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most oem absorber is soft and long..compared to sport one short and a bit stiff.
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post Dec 1 2012, 10:50 PM


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What's the point? I hate it when drivers go over speedbumps at the speed of a snail... and I constantly hear cars scratch the ground on the exit of the car park of my condo. I can speed out of there, still no problem... in the end I usually drive faster than others. Lowering is nice if you live on a race track.
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post Dec 1 2012, 11:36 PM


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speedbumps are meant to make car go slow.. no wonder tyre shop, car garage, workshop can make some extra money repairing, changing car absorber due to "fast" driver that go at 80km/h on the speedbumps jumping like the car was built for rally.. also speedbumps are usually placed at area where there are pedestrian walkaway, car park exit, near entrance of building, area where speeding will cause accident prone.. so thats y u have to slow or ask to go slow.. i don't see any speedbumps on federal highway yet..
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post Dec 1 2012, 11:55 PM


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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 1 2012, 10:50 PM)
What's the point? I hate it when drivers go over speedbumps at the speed of a snail... and I constantly hear cars scratch the ground on the exit of the car park of my condo. I can speed out of there, still no problem... in the end I usually drive faster than others. Lowering is nice if you live on a race track.
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you want to spoil your suspension system than go ahead...no need to hate others for taking care of their cars. And do you know what is the purpose of speed bump?

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post Dec 2 2012, 12:29 AM


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lol, of course I do slow down. But I don't go crazily slow because I haven't lowered my car to a level where I will damage it. There is a reason why cars have a certain height. Depending on the bump I might drive over it at 20-30 km/h. Not a problem. Suspension also still ok, tyres ok, ... wink.gif IMHO if you want to take care of your car... don't lower it. The harder suspension that it needs because of that will put more stress onto the car, unless you drive slow all the time. But in that case... why lower it?

In a country with perfect roads, yes, I can see why one would lower the car. But we are in Malaysia. The country of the pothole and of the unreasonably high and steep speedbump. I'd rather raise my car/turn it into a monster truck.

Anyway I'd like to know what the reason is for lowering the car.

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post Dec 2 2012, 08:12 AM


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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Dec 1 2012, 06:02 PM)
Lowering usually will increase the camber a bit and hence can cause the inner side of the tires to be worn out more. You can do realignment to minimize this and in most cases it will not cause too much excessive wear compared to before lowering. Most cars on std condition should have <-1 camber. With lowering it can reach -1 to -1.5 which is still ok for street use. If after lowering your car camber even more then you may need camber nuts to help bring it back.
If your car hit those speed bumps etc. in the under body, it should be ok. Most of the the time, it's the muffler/exhaust pipes that get's hit and can break but only if severe case. What you need to be more careful is usually the front lip spoiler/bumper of your car which often can get scrapped when going up/down on ramps in/out of malls.
In terms of absorber, it depends on the sport springs that you use. If the spring rates are very stiff/high compared to std then you may need to change the absorbers as it's not strong enough to dampen the spring movements. But there are many sport springs which are still compatible with std absorbers too, for example Tanabe NF series. Of course there's still effect to the lifetime of the absorbers as it definitely has to work harder to dampen the slightly stiffer springs but in general should not brake the absorbers so fast. Maybe just reduce the lifetime a little bit only.
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thanx a lot sir.. wanna lowering my ride just for the awesome look only. the new myvi looks very tall like hilux. very shame bout that
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post Dec 2 2012, 10:13 AM


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QUOTE(ave666 @ Dec 2 2012, 08:12 AM)
thanx a lot sir.. wanna lowering my ride just for the awesome look only. the new myvi looks very tall like hilux. very shame bout that
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Most std cars are like that. Myvi is not that bad actually. Just look at those Peugeot 207, Nissan Almera, Proton Preve, etc. They're so tall that I feel like the body is going to fly off and leave the wheels on the ground!


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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 2 2012, 12:29 AM)
lol, of course I do slow down. But I don't go crazily slow because I haven't lowered my car to a level where I will damage it. There is a reason why cars have a certain height. Depending on the bump I might drive over it at 20-30 km/h. Not a problem. Suspension also still ok, tyres ok, ... wink.gif IMHO if you want to take care of your car... don't lower it. The harder suspension that it needs because of that will put more stress onto the car, unless you drive slow all the time. But in that case... why lower it?

In a country with perfect roads, yes, I can see why one would lower the car. But we are in Malaysia. The country of the pothole and of the unreasonably high and steep speedbump. I'd rather raise my car/turn it into a monster truck.

Anyway I'd like to know what the reason is for lowering the car.
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Lowering with the proper sport springs makes the car feels more stable and planted during high speed as it will have less body roll and sharpen up your handling a bit (the car will feel a lot less floaty).
In general Malaysia is not that bad if you just lower by 2-3cms on most std cars. I so far I have not yet encountered speed bumps that are too high and pointy, and potholes are not that many and not that severe. You should go and visit Jakarta then you'll surely have a whole new definition of bad speed bumps and potholes! smile.gif

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post Dec 2 2012, 11:40 AM


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Just make sure u set the car toe properly, not sure about the rear but for front side using mcpherson..it will not gain any camber after lowering
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post Dec 2 2012, 12:11 PM


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Haha I have been in a non lowered Wira touching the ground despite going over it slowly. Some speedbumps are insane.

OK I guess 2 cm will be fine.

If your Myvi is too high... wrong car. If handling and cornering matters also wrong car IMHO. If you want to drive fast get a Proton, or better yet a conti.

If the car is too low I am afraid the car will just jump from one bump to the next, it will follow the unevenness too much. If your suspension is too stiff on the Nordschleife you can't so fast lap times. Normal roads are more like that than a proper super smooth race track.
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post Dec 2 2012, 12:46 PM


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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 2 2012, 12:11 PM)
Haha I have been in a non lowered Wira touching the ground despite going over it slowly. Some speedbumps are insane.

OK I guess 2 cm will be fine.

If your Myvi is too high... wrong car. If handling and cornering matters also wrong car IMHO. If you want to drive fast get a Proton, or better yet a conti.

If the car is too low I am afraid the car will just jump from one bump to the next, it will follow the unevenness too much. If your suspension is too stiff on the Nordschleife you can't so fast lap times. Normal roads are more like that than a proper super smooth race track.
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Yes, too stiff also actually can make you go slower as it fails to absorb the road unevenness and will actually loose traction as the tires skip & jump rather than slide.
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post Dec 2 2012, 02:43 PM


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Drove a Rusa yesterday. It was jumping from unevenness to unevenness, very nervous. And I was quite terrified and scared, even at low speeds (would not dare to drive more than 70 on a stretch of road where I can easily do 120 in my Kangoo...). For our roads better use something not too stiff.

Now the Rusa was not exactly like a lowered car, it was more like a spring that would bounce you off any bump, shooting you up in the air. Still, if the suspension can't cope with the road that will not be a good thing.

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post Dec 2 2012, 05:46 PM


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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 2 2012, 02:43 PM)
Drove a Rusa yesterday. It was jumping from unevenness to unevenness, very nervous. And I was quite terrified and scared, even at low speeds (would not dare to drive more than 70 on a stretch of road where I can easily do 120 in my Kangoo...). For our roads better use something not too stiff.

Now the Rusa was not exactly like a lowered car, it was more like a spring that would bounce you off any bump, shooting you up in the air. Still, if the suspension can't cope with the road that will not be a good thing.
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Stop using cheap lowered suspension setting as a reference to lowewed= bad.
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post Dec 2 2012, 06:10 PM


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OK. So if it is an air ride I can accept. Then you can lower and raise whenever needed. But I doubt many will do that over here. I simply see lowered cars blocking the road, car park, ... and that does annoy me.
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