This is a very touchy and sensitive topic, yet it has come the day I have to spit it. Before you read it, clear yourself from any personal bias and let's be frank and mature about it. This is an anything goes thread, well, just dont start a BBQ over it.

Brace yourself.



Go ahead and prove me wrong.

Omg unusual.

I random nowadays...then people stack :|

elite?? who? *points fingers*

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This post has been edited by iRadiation: Jan 19 2018, 08:45 PM

koni, why you rarely play nowadays?

can't say about the pug side since i'm not skilled enough for it (the previous highlander made me realize that). maybe they just pissed in the way of pub mentality,stacker,skill level and so..so..

as for advance technical people, most of the player are non skilled on the area you mentioned to do cool stuff (which include me,still can't get dns entry on linux right)

Rejection.. so unexpected. From the little I know, those PUGs are/were meant to create a level playing field (for the inexperienced that want a better gaming experience than random pubs) as it can be difficult to join the asiafortress pugs with no experience. I've not participated so cannot add much.

p.s. http://www.toptiertactics.com/13700/the-bi...esnt-win-games/

LOL kid with bragging right hahahaha....

Please elaborate more on why LYNTF2 can't have two divisions: one for casual servers (pubs) and one for competitive servers (pugs). But this is a delicate matter as I am not sure on the actual purpose of the PUG server.

Incompatible players

nice read, track this thread.

by the way, teach me how to spot bot as well.

i noob in this.

Hmm, my RM0.02 for this matter. Casual players of TF2 who frequent the LYN servers will feel that they have not gotten the 'high' of playing the game like they used to so they researched more on strategies and metagaming. One thing leads to another, this player (let's call him Jimmy) discovered the wonders of 6v6/9v9 so he transitioned to this aspect of TF2 as it is like a new frontier for him. Playing in this format has made Jimmy a better player gamesense and DM wise. However, he realised that he still enjoys playing in Pub servers as he gets to loosen up and is able to help newbie players out (assuming he's a friendly chap). This will lead to a direct influence on the skill level in pub servers because of his presence in the server. Sooner or later, these players might experience what Jimmy has experienced. As you can see, this will lead to a cycle between both divisions of TF2.

Someone need to do an interview with me

Actually I don't have much plan venture into competitive scene because it's quite small and as you guys know AF is already there to run it.

Instead I want to bring players together, having normal private servers where you can host some events among your friends and of course bring more fun into pubs.

Improving the quality is important but we need to take care the quantity too. We can't just force people to rise in standard, introducing some punishing stuff like low level, no slot for you in this server.

When I see we have 4 sniper, I still pick sniper because I feel like playing sniper and camping behind the lines. Yes, I am those sniper who can't do anything but I still love to play it that way.

Sasaug, please explain your general blueprint for LYNTF2 so we, the players of your servers, get the idea of what you're trying to do.

Go random and Try your best...when I failed...oh well at least I've tried

...the hell are you talking about?

Sorry wasn't really awake then...

Should be competitive but not too much I guess.

Variety.

This post has been edited by 5p3ak: Nov 26 2012, 09:06 AM

Perhaps what we need are moderators - with certain powers like initiating votekick.

Moderators will also be responsible for helping new players get into TF2 and explaining the various aspects of our servers.

Determining who becomes a moderator would be an issue, though. Perhaps you get an offer after exceeding a certain level or maybe we can do the 'e-mail your application' process as sasaug has just posted on the community's Facebook page.

Of course, any abuse of power by moderators will be subject to firm actions by admins including removal of moderator status.

This post has been edited by thexs: Nov 26 2012, 09:18 AM

I have suggested this idea and bring it up to admin board before and it got shot down fast.

and verify mod's age too... physicality and mentality.

from what i saw saus posted on the fb page about finding more admin, i humbly suggest not increasing the number of admin but arm them with the tool of being an admin (hacker identification, admin console command and other tf2 stuff). too many head might complicates thing,sorry if my opinion offend anybody..

I prefer more regulars get moderator powers to mute voice spammers and kick griefers. It is better than messaging me to do it. Saves time because I could be in another game.

My views are mainly related to the first bullet point -

I've also always thought that the purpose of the weekend pugging is to bring some sort of fun and variety for regulars, especially those who are looking for something a bit different.

I think the pug events can bring the community together, in a way, as (imho) they are for those relatively new to competitive TF2 and would be nice for people who are interested in learning something new. For me, the LYN pugs are a way to bridge the gap between normal pubbing and the high skill level of AF.

I'm not very sure how the view of elitism/aristocracy came about, as I've always thought the private pugs are actually opened to all regulars - correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume people need a certain level of skill to participate in such events, and it would be quite illogical for someone who just joined TF2 to suddenly want to delve into competitive matches. (If that's what koni meant by new players)

(And LYN community is a term where I think there is some sort of consistency in the members, and not one-off visits from random players)

Also, I thought the introduction of the pug server was because we asked (and begged) for it repeatedly, so it's sort of weird how it turned into something so debatable.

This post has been edited by hedwig: Nov 26 2012, 01:30 PM

+1

I know you need some skill level before you could step into competitive kind of play and the problem lies here. It is so limited to a group of people, others couldn't join into it. It's not a publicly known password. Let say one of the player from PL6 gang, that Oldman guy(I forgot his name) want to play some pugs but he is not close with anyone who have access to the server, it's hard for him to join in even he is quite a good player.

I'm very looking forward on how open the server can be when it is ready since Eric mention it's in a testing stage. I'm looking at some form of channel where players can get into it, something like a public password which can be found in the forum.

For now, I'm being questioned that am I giving some people a private server for them to play because if it is, then I'm being biased or mis-using my power. If you guys could run some events, invite different kind and type of player, I can help out with advertisement across servers.

From an organisation point of view, when we do something, we looking for return/profit. If you can lift up the standard or fame, we will always try our best to fulfill any request.

I know the community currently split into the HL gang and the PUG gang. If I'm going to put a server out there, any of you need to show me some result. Show me why is it better to have a PUG/HL server than another 2Fort server.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/Kronon/
Dirty Old Man? DOM

That being said, can I apply to be a Moderator?

I won't be active for the next 4 weeks, though. Finals

Imo if someone is interested in higher level play they will naturally seek out the passwords and stuff. If denied access after inquiry, then that's a different story. Also, many good players are content with just pubbing.

thexs for the moderator! WE WAN THEXS.

GIMME MOD POWAH I KIK HACKERS AND GIVE NUBS LAZR WEPON.

gonna add more frienlist for mod and admin again...

fb too

ALL HAIL THEXS. ALL HAIL THEXS

good luck on those who will be bestowed by sosegsasaug with them mod powah!
i'll just be content with my gold VIP tag here

yes... more muters plz

I dont quite understand the first point, my my opinion is i thought PUG is a public event and every player can apply to join, in this case i wonder who are the people you mentioned that rejected to play with them. There might be some sort of elitism among certain group of people but i don't think that really matters or affect the community. If you want to look into this, i suggest you give more example of the "aristocrat" acts they did and see if we could use up some help or give an idea what we suppose to do.

Also i wanna point out thexs's moderator's idea. It's actually thinkable because admins can't be on for 24hours. It's pretty much useless having all the power but not effective against people who break the rules. Let say if someone mic spammed and caused a huge disturbance in the server and all we do is to mute him or maybe someone calls the admin and by the time he reached the server that person is gone. If a regular/mod is there he might be able to give him a warning and save the trouble for the admin to join the server just to give warnings to some kids who probably will not care much.

I play in lyn server most of the time and i've experienced alot of issues like stacking and 4snipers/4spies in a team. We can't completely blame them, who likes losing? And if we don't allow them to play spy or we only allow experienced players to play spy, how are they gonna improve their spy's skill? Mods can be responsible to give advice on how to play spy or they take up the medic spot(least favourited class among the pubs from my experience). About the stacking issue well i cant say much since there is still gonna be stacks even after specs are disabled.

For that being said, i've sent my application for the "semi-admin" thingy from the post in the fb page. And i do wish my my ideas above do contribute abit to the current issue.

Lastly, i think vantoria did a great job in talking crap through mic and bringing laughters in the servers.

Yes I also do think his mouth full of **** sometimes and Good Luck to all future moderators.



This post has been edited by VoodooPuppetz: Nov 30 2012, 10:11 AM

Girl gets to be mod faster?

Why remind me of breaktown and her screaming.very shrill

Rather than having more mods why not give vote rights to the people playing the game? Such as votekicks, mute, gag and etc. I've played some of the server and to franks sometimes(not always) the players has to deal with the facts that's there's a speed hacker and they have to
1. Wait for an admin/mod to show up or
2. Just deal with it.

I do believe that the players themselves can actually get themselves involve and contribute in moderating the server they played in. I'm not saying we do not need more mods, but this might actually help the community to self-moderate.


Only my 2 pence, feel free to comment.

Dik

that one ancient already, many player just press "1" when voting show up in mid-game.

according what i read in tf2 thread for so long

so if give power for voting i don't think it really working >_<

YES PLEASE.

I think we're talking about diff plugins here, the one I ment need every players to actually type votekick and select the players by scrolling pages to find the name. I'm pretty sure no one will bother to type and scroll if they don't wish to do so.

We have that for store vip but it was abused unless u talking about everyone need to type n find the name,then it wil be much better but low chance that some1 wil be kicked.

Yes thats exactly what the plugin will do. Given that there will be a lower chances to execute any sort of action but its not too low. Pretty sure offensive such as hacks will make alot of people unease and they'll sure to have a mutual agreement to kick/ban the individual.

You can also set the amount of vote to kick. If say the server limit is around 24, you can set it to (0/23) or to (0/18) depends on you preferred number. Give it a trial run, i would like to see if this will do well.

I wonder if that certain person who plays Soldier a lot is me! I'm so glad you guys still care! <3

I mean it was really great helping Sasaug start the TF2 servers for LYN, bringing in all those people everyone now adores like Desty, TempName, Rawr-ster, Sharky~

Good times, good times~

This post has been edited by Katsuke: Dec 12 2012, 06:10 PM

agree on thexs being mod

After 2 weeks of experiment (yes, this is a social experiment), response to this thread is still quite underwhelming. I expected people would be more responsive to this flamebait, but I guess I do really need something more than just unusual hats.

Still, there are few good constructive criticisms, lets sum it up:-

1. PUG elitism never existed. I only posted because there was someone who complained and described it as such. This has been explained to death by Eric. I hope this clears up the confusion.

At the moment of writing, access to PUG server is public sekret. If any newcomers are interested to join, you should go to the unofficial LYNTF2 mumble channel. Where you asked? Well, you deserve to spend at least that little effort to find out by asking around.

2. Where is teh geeks??!

3. Regarding moderators, first I denounce the use of moderators. If you ever gonna apply, you will be full-time admin and accept the full responsibility of an admin. I definitely do not want somebody who just stick around for the lulz and have moderator title to brag with. You will be responsible for nothing short of:-

- Maintain and babysit the community. Not just kick troll and mute spammers, if they ever come back and make a scene or express any discontent, it will also be your responsibility to silence them, one way or another. Trust me, it's not as simple as you think.
- Spot and ban hackers, that goes without saying. Of course, if anyone challenges it, you will have to answer it as well.
- Server-specific responsibilities. This applies to fun servers such as Prophunt, Dodgeball and Jump servers. For example, it will be your responsibilities to find out new maps that is suitable to be added to the mapcycle.
- Gather and attract players to play in the server you are assigned to.
- Anything else not listed above by the whim of sasaug and konichiwa's request.

Feeling challenged yet? :3

4. Stacking is an ethical problem. Kicking/banning/disable spectator is not going to solve that. Players will need to be rewarded to not stack. I will be waiting for any creative suggestions on how to detect stacking and reward them.

5. Hacking is not an issue for us currently. I wouldnt expect players to know enough to spot hackers that cant be banned by SMAC anyways.

6. Vote plugin is a slippery slope. The reason I dont like it is because retards tend to express hostility by (ab)using them. (Oh hey I dun lieks his voice so lets votemute him lololololol) Even when there's not enough votes to actually mute him, its gonna leave a mark.

I will be for waiting alternate suggestions.

7. VIP? Oh wait brb stomach ache kkbai

8. Hi Kat

This post has been edited by konichiw4: Dec 12 2012, 08:31 PM

@ 8. Sup?!
Fun to read on stuff going back here! Sexciting stuff~
Least of my concerns but a lot of old-timers still do message me about it!

This post has been edited by Katsuke: Dec 13 2012, 06:25 AM

A rare pokemon appeared. Sup, not sure u remember me though.

Still Waiting for Koni's Stomach Ache to End. May the Farts Be With You. LOL

This post has been edited by VoodooPuppetz: Dec 13 2012, 11:28 AM

1. dun join PUG b4 so no comment.Tried once highlander but MvM update screw up my glee of finally in a community

2. what lvl of geek is required?

3. a bit too extreme to say the least. Full time responsibility is acceptable to act on issues and stand by/answer your decision. But to build up more stuff, wouldnt a dedicated few fellow identified with engineers/ designer better?

4. Stacking for me would not be much of a problem. Kill some of the fun, maybe, but for me it is one way to learn and improve. Maybe the higher uppers admins can voice out in-game or make the first move to go to the weaker side to help them out or verbally reprimand those stacker politely.

But then again, ppl might claimed that the admin is human as well, and they would like to play fun too. Yet requirement in 3. would mean a robotic, striving to nothing but improvement of the server irregardless to any external affairs. So the requirement in #3 should also applied to the current batch as well.

5. no comment

6.well the issue of voteplugin nowadays is abuse from troller or just annoyed normal player with voices. Well I dun understand why the Valve own mute system is not used. I used it often and it post no problem for me to utilized it.

I rather educate the option for self mute rather than use a herd mentality vote casting method

7. VIP....laugh... why? (cos I am a VIP... being laugh by the OGs)....

8. Hi Gato as well.... not so much a gathering in the server for me after the farewell party for him last year...

2. Citing original point 3.



Web designers included too.

3. Extreme? I think not. Responsibility is taken, not given. The whole point of admin is not all just about fun, it's about improving the server so the players can have fun.

When the time comes, you are expected to do whatever that is necessary. As for building up stuff, refer to point #3. They aren't listed as admins but techs.

This post has been edited by konichiw4: Dec 13 2012, 06:34 PM

Hmm....


We traded once.

Once.

Hahaha.

Ok, i got some opinion regarding so called "stackers". Do note that this is "team" fortress where people tends to play with their closest friend to dominate other team.

It just too bad that the opposite team dont have enough friend to challenge back but that is what a "team" fortress is about.

Playing with their own friend in the same team aren't stacking, but for those who unwilling to lose and stick on the winning side, then tat is called "stacking"

Take l4d2 forexample, l4d2 and tf2, those 2 have the similar playing style which team work is important.

And i dont agree that a noob team cannot win a pro team. I had been playing this game for more than 2 years, and i had seen a lots of cases where the pro team actually lose to the noob.


And one last thing,
Game are meant to be fun and fooling around. So why banned trollers? Must every game have to be tat serious? U know how stressful it is to play a game for few hours with seriousness? What wrong with trolling?

All i can say that is that people nowadays are scare of losing, i mean seriously scare. At first i tot only typical singaporean are like that, but after what i see in the game, i can conclude that everyone is the same.

This post has been edited by rickysim84: Jan 6 2013, 02:15 PM

I find that it's the Asian mentality. I prefer to play on oversea servers because the community there it's awesome

Hmm I don't know about it being Asian mentality. I played on Aussie servers back in the day and stacking happened just as often as it does on Lowyat. Perhaps the difference then was that there wasn't a huge gap in skill like there is now.

Right now the effects of stacking are amplified because one on hand you have players with <50hrs overall in tf2 and others with >2000hrs. The experienced player knows that being on a team with better players = higher chance of winning. The newbies don't know any better so they join any side.

In the end, it is best to go into pubs expecting nothing from your team-mates. Assume they do not know anything and you might be pleasantly surprised when a medic gives you heals fairly regularly without the need to call 'MEDIC' repeatedly.

I used to get quite agitated over the stacking issue, but after playing in lowyat servers for a while, and having made friends with a couple of regulars (whom I admit I used to get annoyed at for stacking when I didn't know them)... I've pretty much mellowed out in pubs. I can now understand (even if I don't necessarily agree) why people would rather stack with friends than auto-assigning, I guess mostly it's because it's less... lonely...? And I guess people feel more comfortable since they can roughly figure out their friends' playing style. (Does this even make sense? D:) For experienced players, I don't think it's really the case about wanting to win anymore, although it might be true for some, I don't know...

Of course, there are always one or two odd experienced people who would opt for auto-assign, so fret not, that species is not yet extinct!

Stacking will always be a problem, imo, a problem that can never be fixed. Well, the method of scrambling if a team wins in under one minute might make it better, somewhat, maybe. So either stick to your do-gooder auto-assigning and try not to take the game so seriously, or stack with friends and not take the game so seriously either. It's just a game, have fun!

This post has been edited by hedwig: Jan 8 2013, 07:21 AM

Counter stacker reporting for duty.

Stacking and getting easy wins by rolling your face over the keyboard only remains fun for so long. Older players will soon learn to auto-assign or counter stack. And if they don't, it just means they haven't played enough yet. Tf2 has become a game where winning isn't that important to me anymore, but rather individual performance in each game.

Also, trash talking your own friends is in some way fun too.

Turns out its really fun playing against your own friends too.

backstab rawrster as spy when she is pyro is the best feelin ever!

I always counter stack my steam friends because all talk is on and can smack talk them when I stab them

oi duckie when you play TF2 boh jio? i want play with ya

You always dota dota ajer how to ajak TF2?

Like in 2009 for sure

-double post-

This post has been edited by Agito666: Jan 9 2013, 10:35 AM

you go in server first then i join later, i can use VIP slot

in LYN server

chehwah. This week not really free to game though, maybe weekend

After a year of absence from LYN due to my studies, I'm now graduating and back in the hood and wondering what happened with all the stacking and steamrolling.

old skool players just need to learn how to auto team and not just stack
Stack : faceroll and self grati.

Ps: 0X, you're so ghey

Hello sir welcome to 7/11

how am i maying to help you?

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This post has been edited by curry salesman: Oct 5 2013, 04:20 PM