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post Apr 12 2015, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(eternity4life @ Apr 12 2015, 11:33 PM)
Most target set by our mass affluent clients are based on financial objective, for example, Mr. A wants to set up a retirement fund for himself and wants to retire at age 50, currently he is 35 years old. So we'll do a projection base on his current income, lifestyle expectations, etc2 and see how much he would need in the future. ....
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hmm.gif is it possible (or ever got clients) let say....he hands over a bag of money to you and say,....make it grow at min 10%.....because I want to take out 8% to spend every year....is it possible for this scenario?
I guess possible,..because during the bad year..you can dig into the bag to give him 8% and save more into the bag during good year.
what you think?
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post Apr 13 2015, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(eternity4life @ Apr 13 2015, 01:49 AM)
It is possible, almost acts like a dividend i guess. Personally I never had this type of client as most usually take out in random scenarios rather than consistent period.
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This dig during bad years to cover good years somehow reminds me of EPF and ASB...  blink.gif
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was aiming for this type of investment after withdrawing from EPF......age 55, retired, want to have some "carefree" life.....
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post Jun 16 2015, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 15 2015, 09:38 PM)
Anybody investing direct with eastspring investment agents?

For epf,  how much they charge ar?

Better direct or via fsm?
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hmm.gif you can continue to wait for responses or can try contact EI directly and posts the answer here?
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post Jun 22 2015, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(fabiannarcis @ Jun 22 2015, 04:22 PM)
We are doing HK PCT trust funds, regulated by the ORS in HK.

Returns are fixed at 2% per annum.
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hmm.gif M'sian Bank FD > 3% pa.... doh.gif
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post Jul 1 2015, 06:25 AM

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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Jul 1 2015, 12:28 AM)
I'm interested in unit trust investment.
But i want Islamic Unit trust one.

So far Bank Islam UT had on my mind. But perhaps sifus here can recommend me other banks that offer Syariah compliant UT? The ones that give higher returns in the long run?

Then again I'm quite new in UT.
So example if I invest in RM1k, the longer I invest, say 5years, the more return I shall get right?
Or maybe not?

Pls enlighten me thanks!
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other banks that offer Syariah compliant UT? The ones that give higher returns in the long run?
found this on google...
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/LinkClick.a...1s%3D&tabid=105
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...fundSelect.svdo?
select YES at the "Syariah compliant funds" then generate table.
...most of your required info can be found

the longer I invest, say 5years, the more return I shall get right?
Or maybe not?
hmm.gif depends on what funds you selected and what ROI do you seek when you selected that funds.
as usual, Lower returns funds are normally less risky than higher returns funds....
found this too on google...about risk in investing in unit trust..
http://pmbinvest.com.my/resource_center/in...Unit-Trust-Fund
with so many risks involves....you know the risks involved...




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post Jul 1 2015, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Jul 1 2015, 08:10 AM)
Thanks for the tips.
By the way, I don't quite get the loss when I invest in UT.
Let say i invested  Rm1k in year 1, then in year 3 economy is not so good, then my returns in that particular year 3 will be slightly LOWER than RM1k?

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the price of UT is in NAV per unit (Net asset value)
this NAV price changes almost daily (lower risk funds changes less than higher risk funds)

Example :
•NAV price : RM0.50
•Sales charge : 2%
•Investment Amount : RM10,000

Buy at 2% sales charge
If you invest RM10,000 into the fund at a sales charge of 2%, you will receive 19,607.842 units.

Investment amount = RM 10,000/1.02
= RM 9803.921

Units = Net Investment Amount /NAV price
= RM 9803.921 / RM0.50
= 19,607.842 units

YOu did not sell you did not make money,...
if the economy is good during the first 1 and 2 years, the NAV increased to RM 0.80
if you sell you will get back abt 19,607.842 X RM 0.80 = RM 15 686.27
therefore if in year 3 economy is not so good, the NAV dropped to RM 0.40 NAV
if you sell you will get back abt 19,607.842 x RM 0.40 = RM 7843.13

hope this is clear to you....

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post Jul 3 2015, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Jul 3 2015, 09:53 PM)
Do these have intl codes so can research on Morningstar, etc?
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I think morning star Malaysia website can see
http://my.morningstar.com/ap/fundselect/results.aspx
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post Jul 3 2015, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Jul 3 2015, 10:09 PM)
Great, much thx, now bookmarked. I didn't know how to get to this list.
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try this...hope it helps...


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post Jul 8 2015, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Jul 8 2015, 10:29 PM)
How do you put income distribution into the picture?
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hmm.gif in what picture?
distribution you get more units but the price will drop after that.
so basically there is no change in the amount of value one had before and after distribution.

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post Jul 9 2015, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(Kerry1136 @ Jul 7 2015, 09:50 AM)
To all expert investors...if i beginner like myself which type of funds should i be looking at?
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One man's meat maybe another man's poison....
Unknown to your financial situation, risk appetite, age and may more ....I would just suggest you read and understand more about yourself first....
most of these basic info can be found in the web thru google...example.
https://www.kenangainvestors.com.my/KIB/KIB...vestingFAQ.aspx
http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/school/school.svdo
https://www.fimm.com.my/investor/investors-...ends-and-goals/

and also this....(more in google too)
General Risks of Investing in Unit Trust Funds
https://www.cimb-principal.com.my/Investor_...rust_Funds.aspx
http://www.ambmutual.com.my/risk.htm

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post Jul 11 2015, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(suadrif @ Jul 11 2015, 11:18 AM)
guys
in fundsupermart, anyone can explain this?
im not sure my understanding is correct or not

"Unlike the forward pricing basis applied to most unit trusts, the Cash Management Fund will be priced on the historical pricing basis. This means that the investors who buy into the Cash Management Fund will be able to view the fund’s actual unit price for the preceding trading day, and buy into the fund at that price. Forward pricing, on the other hand, only allows investors to view the price at which they have bought in their units on a particular trading day, one or two trading days after the date of transaction."

anyone can give example for this?
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try this?
What is "Forward Pricing"?
https://www.fundsupermart.co.in/main/resear...19?articleNo=89

Q: What kind of pricing method does the Cash Management Fund use?
A: The fund will be priced using Historic Pricing method, instead of Forward Pricing method used by most of the unit trusts.
Investors who transact a buy or sell transaction on the Cash Management Fund on a Monday or the first business day after the public holiday(s), will have the price of their units determined on the calendar day* immediately before the date of transaction.
* A calendar day includes Saturdays, Sundays and designated public holidays.

Q: Why is Historic Pricing method used for the Cash Management Fund?
A: By using the Historical Pricing method, there will be NO lag time when you place a unit trust buy order using Cash Management Fund or switch your Cash Management Fund into another unit trust. This would mean that the unit trust you wish to buy or switch-buy will be transacted on the same day if the buy or switch order is placed before 3pm on any business day.

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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Jul 13 2015, 12:08 AM)
[1] Cash Mgmt Fund - historical pricing valuation

Are there any other funds ANYwhere that use this? Does it go against some regulation, because it seems all other funds even international, don't operate this way.
found this Phillips Money market funds (Singapore) prospectus
"If the redemption form is received and accepted by the Manager by 3.30p.m. Singapore time on a Dealing Day, your realization price is based on historical pricing basis valued at the close of business on the calendar day immediately preceding the date of the redemption of the Units"

http://internetfileserver.phillip.com.sg/P...4010_150331.pdf

[2] What is your opinion of the "young investors funds" that accept a small monthly amount over many years to buy into a balanced fund?
from where did you get the info?
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post Aug 3 2015, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(Bussybody @ Aug 3 2015, 05:23 PM)
Hi Sifu(s)...

I am new to investment and recently got approached by a Philip Mutual Agent.  Philip Mutual info is so limited online. So I want to confirm Philip Mutual is like Public Mutual or others where we can open unit trust account, rite?
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while waiting for value added responses,..i found this while googling.
Phillip Mutual Berhad is the Malaysian unit trust management company of the Phillip Capital Group. It is approved by the Securities Commission to carry out unit trust management business. Phillip Mutual is also one of the approved Institutional Unit Trust Advisor (IUTA).
https://www.fame.com.my/Login/AboutUs.aspx

How to open a unit trust investment account?
You will need to open a unit trust investment account with PMB before you can transact.There are 2 ways to open a unit trust investment account with us. The procedures are similar when for Phillip Mutual Bhd’s house funds and 3rd party funds distributed by Phillip Mutual Bhd.
https://www.eunittrust.com.my/
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post Aug 12 2015, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(jcdrock @ Aug 12 2015, 01:36 PM)
Hi gurus,

I need an honest opinion. With the current situation that's besetting the country, would it be wise for me to sell back my unit trust and load them into EPF?
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nothing wise, nothing not wise, nothing right, nothing wrong....it all depends......what will make you sleep better...

btw...why do you go into unit trust in the 1st place when you can get abt 6% pa yearly in EPF?
should have gotten out of UT and return the monies to EPF earlier.....these 5 trading days saw KLCI dropped too many points....which would resulted in your UT prices falling way too much....
If you are not in an urgency to sell and can sleep well at night...don't sell now.

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QUOTE(jcdrock @ Aug 12 2015, 04:09 PM)
I'm sharing the same sentiments as you. Been using my EPF to invest in unit trust for the past 4 years or so. Returns are so-so only. And now with the weakening ringgit, all the more for me to move it back to EPF. But, my agent is vehement against it. Market down buy. Market up, also buy to average out the returns. I'm tired of hearing the good side of things. To him, regardless of the situation, invest in unit trust.
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not MANY EPF approved UT funds can beat the EPF rate constantly in the last 10 years...
hmm.gif "To him, regardless of the situation, invest in unit trust"...maybe, just maybe..he has this intention (maybe i am wrong)..whenever you buy...he makes some monies.
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QUOTE(familyfirst @ Aug 14 2015, 01:57 PM)
Just want to know how long generally people invest in unit trust funds?  1 yr, 3 yrs, 5 yrs or longer?  Anyone still keeping it after 10 yrs?  Does keeping it longer really bring more value?
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QUOTE(adam1122 @ Aug 14 2015, 08:06 PM)
If you bought a mutual fund for a period of ten years but have just started for like 1 week, which category are you going to look at? 1 week or ten years?  icon_question.gif
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hmm.gif Pls elobarate...don't quite understand your question....
"If you bought a mutual fund for a period of ten years but have just started for like 1 week, which category are you going to look at? 1 week or ten years?"
bought mutual fund for a period of 10 years but have just started for like 1 week? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(adam1122 @ Aug 14 2015, 09:09 PM)
LOL, it means if I bought a ten-years mutual fund just 1 week ago, which category should I look at? laugh.gif
Sorry if I had not made the statement any clearer! laugh.gif
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if you had just bought it last week, I guess is don't look at it for the next 3 years....
let the Fund manager do their works.....
unless you had bought the fund that had risk rating higher than what you actually can take

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post Aug 25 2015, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(cybercrew @ Aug 25 2015, 10:02 AM)
ok..so as long as the fund invested in equities and stock, the risk is there right ?
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there is a long list of risks of inveting in mutual funds in here....
https://www.fimm.com.my/investor/abc-of-uni...ng-unit-trusts/

hmm.gif if still unsure...please remind your UTC (agent) the next time you two meet up, to explain more to you in details...
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post Aug 25 2015, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(cybercrew @ Aug 25 2015, 10:33 AM)
Is its safe to keep existing investment or best to withdraw all ?
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hmm.gif no right or wrong answers...
some people may ask you to keep for long terms, some people may ask you to sell and come back to fight another day.

it is all up to you personally....
if "SELLING" now would make you feel happier, just sell it off.
if you are still hesitating.....then review your investment portfolio....
review the portfolio allocation...is it too heavy in a particular country/region?
is that country or region still have good valuation?
then decide if you want to "switch" to other fund (that cover other country/region) of the same fund house....this would "REDUCE" the service charges.

have you recalled why you want to invest in PM?

btw,...if you want "SAFE"...sell ALL investment now and then move to bank Fixed Deposits that has PIDM coverage....
b'cos if you still invests in Equities mutual funds...then "Nothing" is safe.....(Bond funds maybe)

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