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post Dec 19 2012, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 19 2012, 07:13 AM)
The "real" fee is 1.8%

See this, a fund will rarely be 100% invested, usually a fund will maintain some cash buffer to meet redemptions. Let's assume cash buffer of 10%, with 90% of its invested NAV invested in the Target Fund.

(10% x 1.5%) + (90% x 1.8%) = 1.62%

I.e. the fund charges investors AMF of 1.5% on the 10% cash holding, while investors incur 1.8% on the 90% invested with the Target Fund. The calculation is roughly like above.
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post Dec 19 2012, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 19 2012, 08:38 AM)
Bro.. preserve until when lei ammo?
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Until "Cliff" measures are resolved tongue.gif
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post Dec 19 2012, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 19 2012, 01:00 PM)
Until "Cliff" measures are resolved tongue.gif
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Then we should know soon right..
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post Dec 19 2012, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 19 2012, 12:59 PM)
Then we should know soon right..
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It may not matter tongue.gif
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2012/...eal-is-reached/

Why a recession may be coming no matter what fiscal-cliff deal is reached
December 18, 2012, 12:49 PM
How will the fiscal cliff talks end? Will the leaders reach a last-minute deal, saving the economy from disaster, like a script of a typical television drama?

Spoiler alert: We could already be in a recession. This is not the conventional wisdom. The common narrative goes some like talks look ugly, but in the end things will get resolved either before Jan. 1 or later in the month and the economy gets a new lease on life. See MarketWatch’s fiscal-cliff page.

The recession signal is being sent from the latest U.S. current account deficit report released earlier Tuesday.

According to the data, imports are now down two months in a row having fallen 8.4% in the third quarter and 2% in the prior quarter. This is a rare event and has definitely raises the recessionary “red flag,” according to Robert Brusca, chief economist at FAO Economics. When the economy weakens, imports weaken rather quickly, Brusca notes.

The last time imports declined for two quarters was in 2009, the end of a four-quarter slide in imports during the Great Recession.

Fewer imports is a sign that domestic demand is faltering. A recession is “a real risk,” Brusca said.

It is definitely not a great economic environment for the austerity that is coming next year, regardless of the outcome of the fiscal-cliff negotiations.

Brusca suggest congressional Republicans and the White House make a small deal to avoid the fiscal cliff and put off major deficit reduction until the economic outlook clears up.

“Now is not the time to take easy tax breaks, like the deduction of mortgage interest, that is driving the economy,” he said. “If you don’t think this is a risky situation, you are just not using your head.”

– Greg Robb
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 19 2012, 01:24 PM)
But Dow and S&P 500 keep going up sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 19 2012, 02:15 PM)
But Dow and S&P 500 keep going up sweat.gif
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similar to 2007 before 2008?
or 1996 before 1997, 1997 "recovery" before the major hit in 1998 (KLCI plunged to 200+)?
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aiya - balance (asset allocation).. ohm.. balance (asset allocation).. ohm.. coz no working crystal balls yet notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 19 2012, 02:25 PM)
similar to 2007 before 2008?
or 1996 before 1997, 1997 "recovery" before the major hit in 1998 (KLCI plunged to 200+)?
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aiya - balance (asset allocation).. ohm.. balance (asset allocation).. ohm.. coz no working crystal balls yet  notworthy.gif
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Kesimpulannya - jangan terbawa-bawa dengan emosi pasaran saham dunia thumbup.gif

I still think my 70% bond 30% equity portfolio too conservative doh.gif
Want to increase equity allocation but hard to push myself do it with the market keep going up and up and up doh.gif
Portfolio IRR now: 5.3% hmm.gif

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post Dec 19 2012, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 19 2012, 02:47 PM)
Kesimpulannya - jangan terbawa-bawa dengan emosi pasaran saham dunia thumbup.gif

I still think my 70% bond 30% equity portfolio too conservative doh.gif
Want to increase equity allocation but hard to push myself do it with the market keep going up and up and up doh.gif
Portfolio IRR now: 5.3% hmm.gif
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market going up and up then is good sign for you to sale some of your units. the market ups and downs when the market going down you gt ur ammo to shop again
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post Dec 19 2012, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 19 2012, 02:25 PM)
similar to 2007 before 2008?
or 1996 before 1997, 1997 "recovery" before the major hit in 1998 (KLCI plunged to 200+)?
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aiya - balance (asset allocation).. ohm.. balance (asset allocation).. ohm.. coz no working crystal balls yet  notworthy.gif
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Expected this year economy worst but still fine... Market still making profit... Still stay holding... Feel positive ahead...
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 19 2012, 08:21 PM)
market going up and up then is good sign for you to sale some of your units. the market ups and downs when the market going down you gt ur ammo to shop again
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Sell for what? Every month when salary is paid I got additional ammo. Too much ammo put aside is wasteful doh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 20 2012, 01:09 AM)
Sell for what? Every month when salary is paid I got additional ammo. Too much ammo put aside is wasteful doh.gif
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ho ho ho..
if got good profit why not sell during high price, market is fluctuate when market down u can buy back o try invest in others fund. well when u in sudden need of ammo then u will regret why u didn't stock ur ammo. there are a lot of fund for u to load ur ammo.
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 20 2012, 06:59 AM)
ho ho ho..
if got good profit why not sell during high price, market is fluctuate when market down u can buy back o try invest in others fund. well when u in sudden need of ammo then u will regret why u didn't stock ur ammo. there are a lot of fund for u to load ur ammo.
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Bond yields already at record low, most bond funds' portfolio yield only at around 3-4%, sell equity funds, move to bonds? shakehead.gif

The only "safe" place would be money market funds yielding 3%+ doh.gif
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post Dec 20 2012, 08:56 AM

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hmm. Im going back to sukuk in few days. I already reached my target in 2 weeks time.

The reason why i actively doing switching because i have free switchings between funds.
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QUOTE(hafiez @ Dec 20 2012, 09:56 AM)
hmm. Im going back to sukuk in few days. I already reached my target in 2 weeks time.

The reason why i actively doing switching because i have free switchings between funds.
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CWA?
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post Dec 20 2012, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 20 2012, 09:45 AM)
CWA?
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PRS.....good idea?
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post Dec 21 2012, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Dec 20 2012, 11:26 AM)
PRS.....good idea?
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post Dec 24 2012, 04:23 PM

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Any comments/ opinions on these 2 funds?

AMB Dividend Trust Fund
OSK-UOB KidSave Trust

Both are mainly exposed to Malaysia market.
With election coming soon, hmm...
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post Dec 24 2012, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(yeapwei @ Dec 24 2012, 05:23 PM)
Any comments/ opinions on these 2 funds?

AMB Dividend Trust Fund
OSK-UOB KidSave Trust

Both are mainly exposed to Malaysia market.
With election coming soon, hmm...
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To me I think they are good funds. Amb is equity and kid save is balance fund. Good track record funds..
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post Dec 24 2012, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 24 2012, 06:42 PM)
To me I think they are good funds. Amb is equity and kid save is balance fund. Good track record funds..
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I agree. Both shows relatively strong performance.

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