nice...welcome back to witch doctor group..

lol ahhoe back in action...

i lazy log in already...

donno how to play liao...

noob liao...

just come in and kacao a bit...

Guys need some advice, i am a wiz player and thinking to start another character, due to i am a poorfag i dont really have much gold to gear another character so i was thinking is it possible that i reuse my wiz gear for wd since both are int (beside the weapon and offhand of course). Is my wiz gear will be able to build a mp10 wd ? and what kind of build/skill the wd will use ?

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thanks in advance

This post has been edited by chitchat: Jul 25 2013, 05:04 PM

Re-using a cm wiz gears (ias based) for a WD is a bit tricky unless ure building a low mana attack (such as Splinters @ Ghost Bomb) as main dmg dealer. The more popular build for Wd however are CoB & Bears build which rely more on low ias, high mana regen & high intel (more so if u use Soul Harvest & Gruesome Feast).
4 piece Zuni gear is more suited for the common WD build as it offers large mana pool + high mana regen & good ehp.
IMO, from ur current wiz gear .. only these gears will work on WD: shoulders, belt, pants & perhaps bracers (bracers with AR will be better tho).
Try get a decent 4 piece Zuni (helm with 4-5 cc, chest with high vit, boots with AR & ring with 3-4 cc) ... stack intel & avg dmg instead of ias .. get a LS intel Skorn (much cheaper than getting a good 1h + mojo).

thx thx will look into the cost of the needed item to see whether got budget for it

Master Gecko has shared many important points about WD.

Just something to share and ponder.
Among all heroes, based on my experience, building WD is quite different.

Of course you can build your WD like normal route, stack up IAS% to push up your DPS.
But more IAS, sooner the mana drained. Therefore, it is not necessary for WD.
WD don't really need IAS to push up your "paper DPS" because WD has 2 deadly skills with awesome burst damage, bears and bats, to kill fast.
What you need to concern is, do not let your mana drop low so that you can perma-spam your bears and bats.

So, without high IAS, one thing you'll find is low DPS (just like ZD-Sacrifice build). It is just low "paper DPS"
Do not let the low paper DPS fool you, WD can kill extremely fast with bears and bats (thanks to the burst damage).

To give you some ideas on how deadly WD is.
Here are my heroes,
HOTA/WW/Rend Barb 310K DPS
Bell Monk 295K DPS (will be 300K+ DPS once I reach paragon 100. It will take forever though )
Bola/Spike trap DH 420K DPS
CM Wiz 275K DPS (will be 300K+ DPS soon if I am no slowpoke in bidding gloves )
B&B WD 221K DPS

My WD has the lowest paper DPS (since IAS is not aggressively stacked).
Based on my current build of all my heroes, WD is the top killer for me.
If it's 1-1, HOTA barb could do better. However, when it comes to multiple targets, bears and bats of WD just melt every @ MP10 easily (especially solo game).
Every bear can deliver 950K-1.3 million damage per hit (a bear can hit multiple targets. There are infinite bears when you can perma spam bears).
Bats give me 2-3 million damage per hit per target (when you can spam bears, spamming bat is not a problem due to lower consumption of mana).

P/S Skorn with LS is the best. Really awesome weapon. Put ALL your gold and invest on a good skorn with LS. No regrets, whatsoever.

Good luck in building WD.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2013, 10:59 AM

wow u got so many mp10 toons, nice hearing from u, someone that have play all the char, btw some question

1) Is 4 set zuni a must for the mana bonus ? after hearing from Gecko that my cm wiz gear is not good for wd, i have check a few top dps WD at diabloprogress i see most of them have a similar item to Archon wiz build which is 2 set TR (armor, amulet) for element %, 2 set ZUNI (ring, boot) for int bonus and element % and i am more leaning to this coz i can use the item for wiz to play archon (me cheapskate )
2) Will 1 hand + offhand better than skorn ? as i see offhand has +mana stats and more CC but skorn more LS more CD
3) Is the bear skill something like wiz meteor ? which can spam very fast as long have enuff mana/ap. And i do know skill like meteor hit very hard with 2 hander as long u got the ap to keep spamming. So is bear the same ? does 1 hander will reduce it effectiveness ?
4) So WD concern is DPS > INT > CC > AR > VIT ?, armor not important ka ?
5) I see ur wiz have 3600 armor, not like the common 5000 armor 700 AR but u got 430k EHP because of a lot HP. So is it all about EHP ? no need really do the common 5000 armor ? my wiz have hard time gearing trying to meet the 5000 armor

sorry for so many question

This post has been edited by chitchat: Jul 26 2013, 09:14 PM

1) 4 set Zuni is a must. You need that 20 mana generation.
Yes, you have to stack a lot of IAS if you want to go on top of DPS chart.
But it will drain your mana fast, which is not really good for WD @ high MP, IMO.
Mana is very important for WD in dishing out burst damage skill. I think only ZD-sacrifice build doesn't need mana.
This is why I said WD has a quite a different build.

2) Pros and cons between 1H & 2H.
The major benefits of skorn are, beside cheaper price (as compared to 1H+mojo), (1) high base damage (2) 6% LS (3) Mana management.
I started off playing 1H + mojo. I tried to gear mana generation on voodoo mask+mojo+ceremonial knife.
And after using skorn, I found 1H build just doesn't have efficient mana management like 2H skorn.
Mana is very important for burst damage skills, generally.

3) Wiz has extremely fast arcane recovery through APOC gears + attack speed +passive.
WD does't have such fast mana recovery.
Therefore, to make sure mana doesn't drain or drain fast, slow weapon is used / IAS gears not required.
As mentioned in point (2), 1H drains mana, that's the only concern.

4) For WD, it is the choice of skill > DPS.
INT, you keep in the range of 2500-3000, that's normal. The more the merrier.
CC, keep more than 40%
AR/VIT/Armor are important. It's all bout EHP. Keep your EHP at around 500K (based on 3dup, with jungle fortitude passive). If possible, keep 600K to have a comfort play.

5) Yes, it's EHP after all.
For my CM Wiz, attack speed is very important. Need to get 3.0 attack speed or more as it affects LOH and APOC recovery. And these eventually affect the survivability.
Because the very first concern for me is to get 8-9% IAS from 9 gears (in order to get 3.0 attack speed). Secondly, I need to get CC.
I'm not sure about others, for me it's not easy to keep 5K armor if I want to achieve +80% IAS and +54% CC.
Not so easy and cheap to get those "perfect" gears.

thx thx

Hello guys.. I'm back to playing my witch doctor. Been away since.. Jan this year I think.
Still much more comfortable with bears than CoB.

d3up.com is fantastic btw.. upgraded several pieces, still working towards my goal of 250k DPS.. well to farm MP10 comfortably.
d3up profile: tgrrr#6232

Yes, bears are good for white mobs.
Use CoB to kill elites because 9.5/10 of elites will stand near to you (including those ranged & teleporting elites).

You need CoB and bears combo.

Just a thing to share, try change some of your passive skills.
Use jungle fortified instead of spirit vessel. See how it goes. Jungle fortified changed the whole ball game for me. Better survivability using CoB and no more pain against RD elites with CoB.
I reckon you use gruesome feast and grave injustice for mana generation since damage gain is quite negligible. Try replace them with blood ritual and spiritual attunement.
You should be able to manage your mana well with blood ritual & spiritual attunement.

Next, drop firebomb because it doesn't deliver burst damage. Use bears and CoB as your primary and secondary skill.
You can drop paranoia as you already have slam dance. And replace it with Locust Swarm/Devouring Swarm (for mana generation).
You can safely drop paranoia because bears and CoB can deliver good enough burst damage. You don't need more damage bonus but more mana for bears/bats spamming.

Happy WD-ing.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Aug 3 2013, 04:27 PM

Thanks for the tips

I've tried CoB at MP10 with SA and BR.. can permanently sustain bats channeling and as long as I'm hitting something I get life back. My gripe compared to bears is I can't move as much. For those agile and range elites, or pack of mobs with knock backs, it gets really annoying.. or for e.g. trying to tackle Act I key warden.. Maybe I just don't have enough DPS for MP10 yet. I have an SoJ, it'll drop my EHP by 45k, but might go well with JF in MP10.

The rest of my build is currently for farming efficiently at MP5 to MP7. GF + GI gives me mana and refreshes my cool down so I can run from mob to mob and keep up with a super speed barb. Plus it goes well with PUR to vacuum up gold I'm kinda hoping I can bring this build up to MP10, but I don't know yet if that's really possible..
Ghostbomb is just for opening crates/doors/etc
Paranoia is more for increased group damage + controlling elite packs so they don't move as much, although the latter doesn't always works well Maybe I can swap this out for CoB

If you can perma-spam bears, spamming bats will not be an issue. It seems bats consume less mana in actual gameplay.
This is why you can spam bats with your bears build.

IMO, bats is a must have skill since it has the highest burst damage.
With bats, I found the survivability is not as good as bears initially. I did a lot of tests and gear upgrade.
The spirit vessel couldn't help (this is because spirit vessel didn't solve the root problem even if you have your 2nd life. i.e. RD that can 1-blow you when you cast 4 million/hit of damage. Your 2nd life will be wasted in the next second anyway).
Eventually it is the jungle fortitude that changes my game play and solve the root problem. Damage mitigation is very good in MP10, extremely effective in countering RD, arcane and even Maghda's flies.
Now I am very comfortable with right-click bears and left-click bats.

I drop paranoia and slam dance.
3 reasons,
I use hex/jinx instead of paranoia and slam dance.
I pick CoB (for real damage) and Locust Swarm/Devouring (for mana generation). So, no more slot for paranoia and slam dance.
Skills like paranoia/slam dance could kill you if your defensive attribute + jungle fortitude are not enough to absorb the reflect damage.

To tackle running elites, turn them into pig and launch your bats.
I use hex/jinx so that the target is stopped from launching offensive attacks + it will take additional 20% damage.
Hex+bats (2.5 - 4.2 millions per hit), this combo can melt the yellow elite in 10 seconds or blue elites in 4-5 seconds (in solo game).

With your build and DPS, MP10 should not be an issue.

This is my skill setup. You can try and see if it suits you.
It works well for me and MP10 is easy for my WD.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witc...;abc!ccYZZZ

Happy WD-ing.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Aug 4 2013, 02:16 AM

hi to all sifu WD ! i planning to come back to D3 witht the release of the expansion and wanted to play as WD ! would appreciate gearing guide and skills though even though i am not rich.. thanks !

hi guys. just starting my WD after fail barb year ago

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/hafyz-6825/hero/35566210

any advice for my build? I'm looking for higher DPS

my skill build so far has been good for me. but its certainly getting harder to clear mob after mp5 and above. plus my mana pool is always a problem.

Played both 1H and 2H build.
2H skorn build is still the best for me.

We've discussed on the build few pages ago. You may refer it.

Listen to ALeUNe... haha
His build is awesome. Don't have to worry much about mana.

WD is badass with super high DPS.

Gecko is the real WD sifu.
He inspired me to use Skorn while I was a 1H advocate.

WD/Skorn combo is really a badass. Low paper DPS but high real damage.
It's unlikely to use back 1H once you get addicted to Skorn.
I hope Blizz will give us a Skorn alternative in coming expansion set.

long time no see Gecko online now.. i summon u come now

I also long time no log in play my WD.. hope my stats still can survive.. lol..