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ALeUNe
post Jan 29 2013, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 29 2013, 12:07 PM)
In my case 40% CC is enough to crit often so that it replenish my health pool from my Skorn's LS (600-800k crits can fill up my health pool quite fast)
Yup there is Vision with mana regen which is way cheaper than CC roll .. if u alrdy hv high enough CC .. go for mana regen cos it'll help u spam more bears.
The thing i dont like about Carving Knife is its low min dmg .. overall u will see more low min dmg crits .. plus its attack speed is quite fast ... a "black" rare spear will gain more dps from %poison dmg of Trail compared to Carving Knife.
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I tried 1H weapon + mojo for bear build.

I had to revamp & change my gears for 3 reasons.

1) Bears don't like fast attack. Mana drains fast. 2H-Skorn + a 9% Witching hour is just nice for my build (1.09 attack speed)
2) 3% LS is not enough, especially when we encounter RD elites. To have more LS%, Skorn could be the only option.
3) Yes, low min damage on 1H weapon gives you lower damage, generally.
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post Jan 29 2013, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 29 2013, 02:32 PM)
@Gecko and Aleune

Also, using skorn with bear, isnt that the bear come out slower?

I kind of not comfortable with the slower animation, cuz I walk run bear lol...
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Yes, you'll feel a bit slow in the beginning.
It is okay once you are surrounded by bears.
For pure bears build, your bears will keep ramping into the target until it is killed. laugh.gif

The video that you saw was recorded with my old gears (with 1.0 attack speed).
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post Jan 29 2013, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 29 2013, 02:30 PM)
Then your 85k C4 dog build, give how much damage generally...?

Currently my 1h + Mojo build, minimum giving me 500K to 1M damage...

Seems like need to change my gear... hmm wait till i hunt a skorn with LS lol

As of now, even with my current attack speed, took out PtV I ave no issue with mana so far...
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For normal 1H + mojo, you can't persistently spam your bears due to mana issues.
So, the real damage may not be the same as you see on the screen.

You can test it yourself. You can use Ghom @ MP10 as a benchmark to find out your real damage per second.

Something we did in this thread.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098

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post Jan 30 2013, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 29 2013, 08:02 PM)
haha okok thanks will pop you when i in...

anyway... will loss 200 vit from my Serpent lol scary
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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 30 2013, 05:39 AM)
i lost 197 vit from my EF + ToTD when i made my switch to Skorn initially but i later made up for the loss vit on my ammy & vile ward.. looking over ur current gear, u can switch topaz in ur inna temperance to amethyst (its ok to lose some intel as u need a larger health pool to be able to take some hit) for a quick fix... if u decide to switch to Skorn, my suggestion is to change to a Marrow with 2xx vit (u still hv 19 pickup radius if u lose PR on ur current Marrow ... plus there's a slight increase in base PR when 1.07 goes live)
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As you don't really need IAS for skorn/bear build.

If i were you, i'd replace the inna pants with a rare with high VIT.
And also replace the Zuni's Marrow with high INT & VIT.
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post Feb 14 2013, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Feb 14 2013, 03:42 PM)
Real WD dont use pets in pvp  tongue.gif  all we need is the little shaman  biggrin.gif
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the pets are important.
Just in case you pvp with another WD, he turns your pets into pig and you turn him into pig . tongue.gif
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post Feb 14 2013, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Feb 14 2013, 11:06 AM)
WD own in PVP tongue.gif tested yesterday can 1 vs 3 XD
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Yes, WD is powerful in PvP.
I reckon you need a build with high IAS in PvP.
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post Feb 18 2013, 03:39 PM

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WD thread has been quiet.

Summoning popo nimanhid tongue.gif
Why you no spam your bears with your skorn? I dream about your skorn day and night.
It is no good to leave that godly gear idle.
Let me know if you wanna sell it. laugh.gif

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post Feb 18 2013, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(nimanhid @ Feb 18 2013, 05:44 PM)
Ten days ago, someone from public games offer me 750M Gold for it plus he give me manajuma's carving knife (I am using it right now). so I thing this is a good deal than i accept the offer  tongue.gif

I bought the skorn for 300M gold, the offer so tempting...  tongue.gif
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Hahaha... no wonder haven't seen you spamming the bears.

Yeah, your skorn is godly.
It is a good deal indeed. Make 350M + a Manajuma knife. thumbup.gif


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post Feb 20 2013, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(nimanhid @ Feb 19 2013, 02:18 PM)
I am testing zero cd dog now, fiuh... my dps only 90k

All sifu here any advice for my build and gear
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/popo-6986/hero/25212634
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Nice, we can have C4 dog build party. thumbup.gif

It is normal to have low paper dps.
The real damage output is huge.

Few points,
1) You need to stack up health globes. At least 20K. Same old rule, the more the merrier. '
For your case, you may be able to work on lower health globes as you have LS on your weapon.

2) You need pickup radius. At least 7 yard (i tried 6 yard, not really good).

3) EHP is important as C4 dog is more of short range attack. Get as many VIT as possible. Your 430K EHP (d3up) is good enough for MP10.

4) You can have bears on your left/right click so that you can spam bears if necessary. As you have LS weapon + your fast attack speed, since you have un-utilized mana, bears could be your life saver during oh-sh*t moment.

By the way, add a radiant ruby/marquise ruby on your weapon would give you 8K/12K of dps boost.

My build, http://d3up.com/b/351298


P/S On a second thought, you can stick to your current build instead of using bears.
This is because 5-stack soul harvest + gruesome feast give you 200K DPS.

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post Feb 20 2013, 10:03 AM

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May I know your skill setup (both passive and active) for pvp?
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post Feb 23 2013, 01:31 AM

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Anyone tried uber today?
Crumbling stone of Kulle still hit 1/4 of my HP even if I'm in invisible mode (spirit walk/jaunt).
I was hit 4-5 times in the game (and each time I was in invisible mode).

Anyone encountered the same?
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post Mar 6 2013, 03:16 AM

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WD thread has been quiet without HenryLow and ahhoe80 tongue.gif

Good news for WD is, we are no longer the weakest among all heroes.
Our burst damage can be as good as monks and demon hunters (still not as close as Barb though).
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post Mar 6 2013, 03:24 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Mar 6 2013, 03:19 AM)
and you say that base on ghom mp10?
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Yes. You can take it with a pinch of salt.
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post Apr 8 2013, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 8 2013, 12:12 AM)
Hye guys, i'm trying to build bear's build for my WD. Apprecite ur assistance for any improvement for my noob WD.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/FE3DOE-6358/hero/29420001
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Change your belt to TWH.
It's going to shine when when the DPS is more than 150K DPS.

Change your pants to rare, with high INT & VIT + 2 sockets.

You can also try some other skills.
You can replace gargantuan with big bad voodoo/slam dance The reason is you don't need gargantuan to do damage.
Or you can try horrify/frightening aspect for armor boost.
Either an all-out offensive or defensive skill.
Both skills are good during elite fight (with arcane under your feet).

Passive skill, you can replace grave injustice with vision quest.
Both are good. Just choose one that works for you.
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post Apr 8 2013, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 8 2013, 10:21 AM)
i see, more like depth digger pant.. rolleyes.gif 12ms for WD is ok?
will try to change that later and see how it goes for higher MP. Thanks aleune. As of now can play mp6-7 solo.. maybe my WD need some love after my monk reach p100.
but hey, WD is awesome too.  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Depth digger pants are good. Good option.

12% MS is ok. You may need some time to get used to it (since you are used to fast MS on other heroes).
You can have more MS if you want.
If you need more MS, I'd suggest get MS from bracer i/o pants.
This is because you lose too many EHP if you use Inna's pants.
(Mana is still manageable with 1.18 attack speed. You just need to be careful with your left click/bears spamming).

I believe your current build is good enough up to MP8 solo.
Try Horrify/frightening aspect. Use horrify when your spirit walk is cooling down. Use spirit walk when horrify is cooling down. It will give you better survivability during elite/boss fight.
Try some key runs @ A1/A2/A3.
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post Apr 9 2013, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 9 2013, 10:45 AM)
aleune & hulkie any tips for the bear spamming skill? keep draining mana to zero when spamming bear, especially when mp9..haha
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Hahaha... it is your left-click/bears spamming.
You need to release left click every 3-4 seconds and throw your corpse spiders intermittently.

Another option you can look into is, get an SoJ with -mana Zombie Charger.
Look for a 28-29% elite damage SoJ with -10 mana zombie charger.
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post Apr 12 2013, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 12 2013, 08:47 AM)
Guys.. Zdog required high IAS?
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Yes, the more the merrier.
The faster your attack, the more damage + more life you can recover.

Just some heads up on zdog build.

In terms of burst damage, zdog is better than zbears.
Based on my experience, zdog is not as effective because of the limitation in pushing up DPS.
You will hit a ceiling. It is very very very very very very difficult to push up the DPS for zdog build.

Few reasons, there are at least 3 gears are bound to zdog build (in order to have ZERO second cool down zdog).
It means less flexibility in upgrading your gears for more DPS.
Secondly, these MUST-have gears are rather low DPS gears. You just can't do much about it.
Thirdly, it is damn rare to get better replacement. It's either you can't find any gears better than your existing ones or you need to pay few billions for a piece of gear.

It is very difficult to push zdog build more than 135K DPS. It's an expensive build.
However, zbears can easily push more than 150K+ DPS, at half or 75% of the zdog cost.

Refer to my MP10 Ghom test,
95K DPS zdog VS 130K DPS zbear, zdog win.
128K DPS zdog VS 150K DPS zbear, it's a tie.
My zdog build stuck VS 180K+ DPS zbear, zbear win by at least 20%
My zdog build stuck VS 200K+ DPS zbear, zbear win hands down.
(Note: Both builds use SoJ)
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post Apr 12 2013, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(fe3doe @ Apr 12 2013, 10:52 AM)
waaa.. kinda expensive. i guess stick with bear build.. lol  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Cost is one thing.
It is a big turn off when you can't push up your DPS. Big big turn off.
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post Jun 6 2013, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(denze87 @ Jun 1 2013, 11:43 AM)
i wisnna upgrade my witchy,just dont know which one to upgrade to;

1:zuni vision + uhkapent
2:mempo + zuni string skull

please give me some opinion about it..

thanks for all the master of witchy

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IMO, bats alone are not quite good enough.
I won't touch on the weaknesses of bats, as I presume you know it well.

It is a perfect combo to have bats and bears.
Gear up to have perma-spamming of bears.
If you can perma-spam bears, you won't have problem spamming bats.
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post Jun 6 2013, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Jun 6 2013, 11:17 AM)
...am able to perma-firebats with Visage of Giyua & Uhkapian Serpent that are self looted for testing purpose.

Guru, please give your tunjukajar.

My WD vital stats by the courtesy of blizz.

Note:
I've noticed that my wd hasn't been equipped with any of the Zunimassa's gear.
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IMO, you need full Zuni's for mana generation.

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