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ALeUNe
post Dec 31 2012, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 31 2012, 11:51 AM)
yes doable... but hard i think... LOL...

1st thing 1st... Who DPS??? tongue.gif
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To be fair, everyone has to be DPSer.
At least do 1mm of damage at a time. laugh.gif

We can try do MP9 and see how far we can go.
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post Dec 31 2012, 06:49 PM

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I am not sure whether my wd do able for mp9/mp10... but lets test it out smile.gif

invite me...
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post Dec 31 2012, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(nimanhid @ Dec 31 2012, 06:49 PM)
I am not sure whether my wd do able for mp9/mp10... but lets test it out smile.gif

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As long as you can do MP10 Ghom, you should be able to do it.

Please give me your battletag, i'll add you.
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post Dec 31 2012, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Dec 31 2012, 06:54 PM)
As long as you can do MP10 Ghom, you should be able to do it.

Please give me your battletag, i'll add you.
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any advice for uber build??
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post Dec 31 2012, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 31 2012, 09:25 AM)
finally got 13 PR...

Gecko, thanks for the seluar... i mao return it to you... tongue.gif

now i need other with PR...

now i can farm faster... but still cant don like u... sad.gif
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You're welcome Henry tongue.gif i myself wont be using Jousting Mail so maybe going to sell all my JM pants haha biggrin.gif
I just bought a rare pants with 656 Armor, 200 Vit, 43 Physical Res, 76 All Res & 2 open sockets .. should boost my EHP quite a lot (almost 4k armor, 1k Physical Res, 60k Life, 800 AR) if i ditch my Inna pants ... now need to get a Lacuni with CC.
Ive been bz lately, got some wedding videoshoot so dats why u dont see me playing so often as b4 tongue.gif Later i show u the super fast farm technique haha

I've done 3 WD Uber party @ MP8 b4 and its doable but took quite long ... need to sync on who uses BM passive and other dps boosting spell such as Slam Dance etc .. imho if all WD use garg/bruiser 4 garg can do lots of stuns on ubers which will help a lot. I'm down doing all WD Uber party .. add me up @ Hulkie#6526. DPS wise .. eversince using pox with cc i crit more often & with SoJ equipped my bears do 700-900k crit dmg each on ubers.

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post Dec 31 2012, 10:42 PM

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1 WD with 0 cd zombie dog for unlimited health globe

3 WD with zombie bear+reduced CD BBV + GF + acid rain..

unlimited supply of mana regen... thumbup.gif

problem is 0cd build need at least 200m rclxub.gif

TSHenryLow
post Jan 2 2013, 10:12 AM

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donno me sui or wat... fast run from lvl70 5 bar to lvl71 5 bar...

no legs drop... haih... sad.gif
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post Jan 2 2013, 11:03 AM

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U hv to mandi bunga lor Henry biggrin.gif kasi buang sui tongue.gif
Or do like i do ... rest your WD n play other toons ... i started playing my barb again ... got few leg drops alrdy but all sux doh.gif
I think now i use my barb to do key runs @ mp6 since can do very fast .. haha sprint2 gather mobs near elites then perma zerk .. spin until puke biggrin.gif

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post Jan 2 2013, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 2 2013, 11:03 AM)
U hv to mandi bunga lor Henry  biggrin.gif  kasi buang sui  tongue.gif
Or do like i do ... rest your WD n play other toons ... i started playing my barb again ... got few leg drops alrdy but all sux  doh.gif
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tht's why i cont my wiz... now shopping for him... gonna do a super saiya ice mage... tongue.gif

hope can get all the gears cheap... smile.gif
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post Jan 2 2013, 01:45 PM

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transfer ur WD gear to wizzy kawtim
wizzy with skorn...drooolllll
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post Jan 2 2013, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(lksing78 @ Jan 2 2013, 01:45 PM)
transfer ur WD gear to wizzy kawtim
wizzy with skorn...drooolllll
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brows.gif if only my wizzy can pakai voodoo mask... tongue.gif
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post Jan 4 2013, 12:36 PM

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A question, is 5.5% LS good enough to cope damage reflection @ MP10? Zombie bears build.

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post Jan 4 2013, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 4 2013, 12:36 PM)
A question, is 5.5% LS good enough to cope damage reflection @ MP10? Zombie bears build.
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imho & from own playing experience i would say 5.5%LS is the minimum to deal with RD packs at higher mp (up to 10), as long as u have high CHD (300% min) & high CC (i used to hover arnd 36% but i think 40% is the minimum sweet spot) however u also need good EHP to survive few hits & not die ... stacking physical resist &/@ melee reduction% together with high armor will make it much easier ofc. There are few exceptions .. MINIONS being the most obvious but also certain RD packs combined with particular affix such as Life Link can also pose a problem ... personally there are 2 ways i deal with them .. a) spam bears only when SW is up @ when i know they are at low enough health to drop globes & b) using Spirit Barrage/Pheb to get xtra 3% LS (Pheb is great against single targets but not so against large numbers of mobs). Bears FTW! ... no other WD skill can demolish huge packs in high MP super fast like Bears do (especially if u are buffed by SH & GF bonus).

My fav move as a WD is to jaunt into a pack .. SH/VS to whittle their health down & get huge intel/dps bonus .. cast Stalker to get armor buff & also chase them away (s0 that i wont get swarmed with mobs) then unleash the full fury of bears (i notice mobs die faster when get hit by bears as they are running away .. maybe during that time their defence is lowered?) .. u prolly kill enough to get CD on all skills (via GI passive) so that u can chain combo to next pack. Once buffed, nxt pack would die much faster ... that's why when i see an elite pack with white mobs around them .. i take the white mobs out 1st to buff myself then only target elite pack ... unless ofc the e pack are RD .. so i keep the white mobs to leech life of them (nest & prophet who resurrect are good source of free health lolz)

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 4 2013, 03:33 PM)
imho & from own playing experience i would say 5.5%LS is the minimum to deal with RD packs at higher mp (up to 10), as long as u have high CHD (300% min) & high CC (i used to hover arnd 36% but i think 40% is the minimum sweet spot) however u also need good EHP to survive few hits & not die ... stacking physical resist &/@ melee reduction% together with high armor will make it much easier ofc. There are few exceptions .. MINIONS being the most obvious but also certain RD packs combined with particular affix such as Life Link can also pose a problem ... personally there are 2 ways i deal with them .. a) spam bears only when SW is up @ when i know they are at low enough health to drop globes & b) using Spirit Barrage/Pheb to get xtra 3% LS (Pheb is great against single targets but not so against large numbers of mobs). Bears FTW! ... no other WD skill can demolish huge packs in high MP super fast like Bears do (especially if u are buffed by SH & GF bonus).

My fav move as a WD is to jaunt into a pack .. SH/VS to whittle their health down & get huge intel/dps bonus .. cast Stalker to get armor buff & also chase them away (s0 that i wont get swarmed with mobs) then unleash the full fury of bears (i notice mobs die faster when get hit by bears as they are running away .. maybe during that time their defence is lowered?) .. u prolly kill enough to get CD on all skills (via GI passive) so that u can chain combo to next pack. Once buffed, nxt pack would die much faster ... that's why when i see an elite pack with white mobs around them .. i take the white mobs out 1st to buff myself then only target elite pack ... unless ofc the e pack are RD .. so i keep the white mobs to leech life of them (nest & prophet who resurrect are good source of free health lolz)
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Thanks. I'll do some test on the LS.
Too bad there is not many options for WD in terms of weapon.
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post Jan 4 2013, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 4 2013, 03:57 PM)
Thanks. I'll do some test on the LS.
Too bad there is not many options for WD in terms of weapon.
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Yup sad.gif Skorn is the best 2h wpn for WD due to its high base CHD + OS ... but LS is a random affix which comes with a hefty price tag.

Vigilance (legendary polearm) is a cheaper alternative altho wont get as high dmg as Skorn (only 1 random affix .. n ofc u want OS for that .. so no base CHD) .. however it has fixed/default LS affix + chance to freeze is pretty handy .. Inner Sanctuary gives u some defensive buff.

Other than those 2 legs .. rare 2handers with high dps + base chd + os + ls could match Skorn .. still lacks Skorn's Bleed which is very good in conjunction with Acid Rain on low level speed farming.

Blizz need to buff WD hard .. ASAP ... make SW as powerful as Gloom @ WotB (increase CC in SW mode haha) .. or at least give spell cd reduction on crits bcos as it is now .. GI cd on kills only works in low mp .. there's no way WD can kill a lot of mobs fast enough on high mp to benefit from GI skill cd bonus.

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Jan 4 2013, 06:56 PM)
Yup  sad.gif  Skorn is the best 2h wpn for WD due to its high base CHD + OS ... but LS is a random affix which comes with a hefty price tag.

Vigilance (legendary polearm) is a cheaper alternative altho wont get as high dmg as Skorn (only 1 random affix .. n ofc u want OS for that .. so no base CHD) .. however it has fixed/default LS affix + chance to freeze is pretty handy .. Inner Sanctuary gives u some defensive buff.

Other than those 2 legs .. rare 2handers with high dps + base chd + os + ls could match Skorn .. still lacks Skorn's Bleed which is very good in conjunction with Acid Rain on low level speed farming.

Blizz need to buff WD hard .. ASAP ... make SW as powerful as Gloom @ WotB (increase CC in SW mode haha) .. or at least give spell cd reduction on crits bcos as it is now .. GI cd on kills only works in low mp .. there's no way WD can kill a lot of mobs fast enough on high mp to benefit from GI skill cd bonus.
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You have a 3 second walk with jaunt. What else more could you ask for? =P

but yeah i agree, WD needs the most buff currently. I think most of the class needs a buff on their skill runes. For example, i'm tired of using Shadow Power: Gloom. i'm tired of looking at a monk with FoT.
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post Jan 4 2013, 08:01 PM

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The thing is .. what can u do with 3 sec of invulnerability & increase MS on higher mp other than getting out of sticky situations?
3 sec of spamming Bears uninterrupted wont even kill an elite pack of Phasebeast on mp8 let alone mp10 lolz
Plus there's no way u can perma Jaunt on high mp games (unless skill cd is influenced by crits like Wiz do)
At the end of the day even if Blizz doesnt buff WD .. i still enjoy playing WD as it gives me most challenge and satisfaction.



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stack as much DPS as you can? i think life steal of EF and Knife ain't good on WD. 3%? man, might as well not have it.

oh btw, poison darts?? i dunno man. but yeah, monks and wd have problems with RD mobs.
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Heres the thing:
To boost dps to the max any character in D3 hv to get the trifecta to the max .. in other characters IAS works in their favor in resource generation (attack faster = more hatred ... more attack = more crits = more disc for DH.. same thing for barb/monk/wiz) in WD's case ias is inversely proportional to their resource which is mana as highest dmg spell (ie Bears)cost a lot of mana to use. the faster WD attacks using Bears the faster they lose mana and apart from regen (which is slow) the 3 spell/attack to gain mana is low dmg and not even useful at all .. widowmaker > low dmg n need to use with VQ passive to be useful, spined dart > need to actually hit target to get mana (dh can shoot into thin air n still gain hatred lolz) .. Haunt > dot attack which also return mana over time. So u see the dilemma here for WD?

Regarding LS & RD .. the ONLY way WD can obtain higher LS on 1h + mojo setup is to use Spirit Barrage/Pheb spell (3% xtra LS) .. Pheb hv an ok dmg but its useful for single targets only. Whereas other chars can use 1 type of spell/pasives (Gloom .. Bloodthrist passive) to increase LS while choosing another type of attack to gain from that increase LS while picking the suitable attack/spell to cater to any situation (DH > large pack use Bola@BL .. single unit/boss use Cluster@EB .. Barb > WW for crowd .. HoTA for boss)

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somebody link me a good and strong witch doctor that can farm maybe MP5 and above?

i duno what skill built to use sia

items also duno wan stay with zunimassa full set or mempo + other item to increase my dps

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