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Gecko
post Dec 20 2012, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 20 2012, 12:19 PM)
u not a good fella ni... keep poison me... sad.gif

so using templar is better tht enchantress???

my templar got 28% MF now... with sun keeper alr...

ok la... borrow me la...

i try mp0 see see... ^^

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haha not poison lor biggrin.gif give u encouragement to motivate u farm more lolz tongue.gif

imho templar is better than enchantress for few reasons:
- more MF on templar
- templar is tankier (he always last to die .. after my garg die .. then me lolz)
- using Azurewrath + Star of Azkaranth + Stormshiled he is like supertanker who freezes elite .. with templar u dont need zdog .. Templar + Garg = 2 good tanker alrdy .. Templar freeze & Garg deal dmg
- his passive give u xtra mana regen which is very important to WD (mana = damage)
- Templar is melee so he get hits more often which will spawn gobs if u equip him with Puzzle Ring (i alrdy hv lots of leg from gobs spawn from puzzle ring ... latest was a Skorn)
- Enchantress is good for crowd control but WD alrdy hv a lot of crowd control skills.

Okie np ... nxt time i see u in game i pass u a 9xxk dps Sun Keeper with open socket smile.gif
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post Dec 20 2012, 02:33 PM

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by the way, any of u did this challenge???

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098

ALeUNe done his...

pros, plz test it out...

my wd die within 30s LOL...
Gecko
post Dec 20 2012, 02:41 PM

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i dont think i'll be doing mp10 for now ... need to increase my AR & Armor before i attempt mp10 ... maybe a higher dps LS Skorn is needed as well.. my experience with mp9 uber runs with some LYN members taught me that mp10 is suicidal for me now haha.
the problems i foresee a WD attempting mp10 ghom are .. going OOM due to huge health of mp10, pets dying fast due to poison (unless u stack life regen + thorns on gear & use Fierce Loyalty passive) ... big dmg attack such as bears will make u go OOM while low dmg attack such as splinter @ RoT will take forever to kill mp10 Ghom.

This post has been edited by Gecko: Dec 20 2012, 02:44 PM
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post Dec 20 2012, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 20 2012, 02:41 PM)
i dont think i'll be doing mp10 for now ... need to increase my AR & Armor before i attempt mp10 ... maybe a higher dps LS Skorn is needed as well.. my experience with mp9 uber runs with some LYN members taught me that mp10 is suicidal for me now haha.
the problems i foresee a WD attempting mp10 ghom are .. going OOM due to huge health of mp10, pets dying fast due to poison (unless u stack life regen + thorns on gear & use Fierce Loyalty passive) ... big dmg attack such as bears will make u go OOM while low dmg attack such as splinter @ RoT will take forever to kill mp10 Ghom.
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i will try with this build tonite...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witc...;cXU!ccabbY

no pets... start then run to the corner... so i can align my bears in 1 straight line...

yesterday using my current build... i die b4 my pets and oom... LOL...

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post Dec 20 2012, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 20 2012, 02:46 PM)
i will try with this build tonite...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witc...;cXU!ccabbY

no pets... start then run to the corner... so i can align my bears in 1 straight line...

yesterday using my current build... i die b4 my pets and oom... LOL...
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Snake to the face is nice especially if u have high attack speed .. that can keep Ghom stun.
Jaunt u might want to change to Honored Guest for mana regen so can spam Bears more.
Mass Confusion wont be effective bcos its meant for large mobs ... even if u want it for stun, the 60 second cooldown for a 3 sec stun wont make it a good choice.
Slam Dance can be good but i dont see a 20% increase in ias % 30% dmg for 20sec (while hv to wait another 100 sec to be able to use it again) will make a big difference.
Frightening Aspect is a good choice since it increase Armor.. however do u expect to get hit by Ghom in the 1st place? tongue.gif most of the time u will get dmg from his poison cloud not melee attack.

Suggestions:
U need to deal huge dmg to kill Ghom ASAP .. Bears is the obvious choice but u need some kind of attack to supply u mana ... for this i would suggest Haunt/Draining Spirit .. Haunt is a click n forget attack .. DoT for 6 sec .. DS rune will return u 20.4 mana per sec which totals up to 122 mana over 6 sec.
Another big dps attack to supplement Bears .. Wall of Zombie/Pile On is a good choice ... 800% wpn dmg is HUGE and getting PO to hit Ghom would be easy as he is a large target .. PO then Bears while waiting for cooldown on PO
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post Dec 20 2012, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 20 2012, 03:03 PM)
Snake to the face is nice especially if u have high attack speed .. that can keep Ghom stun.
Jaunt u might want to change to Honored Guest for mana regen so can spam Bears more.
Mass Confusion wont be effective bcos its meant for large mobs ... even if u want it for stun, the 60 second cooldown for a 3 sec stun wont make it a good choice.
Slam Dance can be good but i dont see a 20% increase in ias % 30% dmg for 20sec (while hv to wait another 100 sec to be able to use it again) will make a big difference.
Frightening Aspect is a good choice since it increase Armor.. however do u expect to get hit by Ghom in the 1st place?  tongue.gif  most of the time u will get dmg from his poison cloud not melee attack.

Suggestions:
U need to deal huge dmg to kill Ghom ASAP .. Bears is the obvious choice but u need some kind of attack to supply u mana ... for this i would suggest Haunt/Draining Spirit .. Haunt is a click n forget attack .. DoT for 6 sec .. DS rune will return u 20.4 mana per sec which totals up to 122 mana over 6 sec.
Another big dps attack to supplement Bears .. Wall of Zombie/Pile On is a good choice ... 800% wpn dmg is HUGE and getting PO to hit Ghom would be easy as he is a large target .. PO then Bears while waiting for cooldown on PO
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thanks for advice...

will try and error see see...

tht build i copy from a website one...

he done it around 2mins++

i will change my helm and ring to IAS, then test see see...

This post has been edited by HenryLow: Dec 20 2012, 03:16 PM
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post Dec 20 2012, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 20 2012, 02:33 PM)
by the way, any of u did this challenge???

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098

ALeUNe done his...

pros, plz test it out...

my wd die within 30s LOL...
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Might try it out soon.. wait back from trip first then post results here.. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 21 2012, 07:39 AM

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Fiddled around with some under-utilised WD attack spells and after some testing, here are my findings:

Haunt Cost: 98 Mana
Haunt an enemy with a spirit, dealing 575% weapon damage as Arcane over 6 seconds. If the target dies, the spirit will haunt another nearby enemy.
Draining Spirit
The spirit returns 20.4 Mana per second.
- Another option for WD to regen mana .. 122.4 mana over 6 sec helps keep mana pool from dipping too low when spamming high mana spells such as Acid Rain @ Bears. Its DoT attack also works well with Acid Rain (stacking 2 DoTs attack on target makes them die faster.)
I used it on my speed run build as primary attack, alternating between Haunt & AR .. surprisingly i nvr go OOM even when i spam AR a lot (didnt hv to use Sac/Pride at all unless i had to nuke a tough elite pack). Haunt wont be wasted as it will jump to another target ensuring the mana return is kept flowing. Another thing i like about Haunt is the fact that u dont really need to aim using it ... all u need is to face the mobs and click Haunt .. it will home in on nearest target. Will give Haunt a try on uber runs later to see how well it works.

Spirit Barrage Cost: 108 Mana
Bombard a target with a spirit blast that deals 230% weapon damage as Physical.
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Regain 3% of damage dealt with Spirit Barrage as Life.
- Not many ppl realise that with SB/Pheb u can tackle RD packs better even with low LS on 1h+mojo setup. Damage using SB is also quite high with mana cost slight lower than Bears.. however it deals more dmg per single unit compared to Bears. Altho i alrdy hv high LS on my Skorn, the xtra 3%LS helps a lot especially when facing RD MINIONS .. most of the time i can kill myself if i use Bears on RD Minions (due to Bears hitting many targets) but using SB/Pheb, RD minions are piece of cake now lolz. Its a great Gob killer as well bcos of it high range (no need to chase n be close to gobs). SB/Pheb now replace RoT as my primary attack on higher mp key runs.

Give it a try and any feedback (be it positive @ negative) is most welcome thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by Gecko: Dec 21 2012, 07:41 AM
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post Dec 21 2012, 10:11 AM

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tested MP10 Ghom again... WD not really can stand still there... sad.gif

but this time i can tahan longer... then mati coz i no run LOL...
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post Dec 21 2012, 11:41 AM

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I couldn't level up my WD yesterday sad.gif wifey asked me to sleeeeeeeppp. doh.gif

ah well, weekends and holidays are here. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif


Anyone got spare WD gear to spare? junk 61 legendaries also can hahahahaha

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post Dec 21 2012, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 21 2012, 10:11 AM)
tested MP10 Ghom again... WD not really can stand still there... sad.gif

but this time i can tahan longer... then mati coz i no run LOL...
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well, we need your Ghom mp10 kill vid, hehehe.

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post Dec 21 2012, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Dec 21 2012, 12:06 PM)
well, we need your Ghom mp10 kill vid, hehehe.
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cant survive, no vid... tongue.gif

stratos did killed mp10 ghom...

wait his vid... 300s++ he said...
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post Dec 21 2012, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Dec 21 2012, 11:41 AM)
I couldn't level up my WD yesterday sad.gif wifey asked me to sleeeeeeeppp.  doh.gif

ah well, weekends and holidays are here.  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
Anyone got spare WD gear to spare? junk 61 legendaries also can hahahahaha
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Which WD gear in particular u r looking for bro? I think i hv some spare mojos, wd headgears, ceremonial knives and even zuni set (minus the ring) & manajuma set lying around on my mules.

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Dec 21 2012, 05:20 PM)
Which WD gear in particular u r looking for bro? I think i hv some spare mojos, wd headgears, ceremonial knives and even zuni set (minus the ring) & manajuma set lying around on my mules.
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Thanks for the offer bro. I dont know yet lol. I baru level 19 WD. I have no idea what build(when I reach 60) to use yet biggrin.gif

But if u wish to clear your stash, I would gladly help hahaha brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif




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post Dec 23 2012, 01:52 AM

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hi all, currently playing a monk and wanna gear my WD, its naked, probably got like 30-50m to spare for WD, coz i think not many ppl play WD. is there like a Cookie cutter build that can take down elite/and mob at the same time fast? and i aint sure y decrease summon cooldown of zombie dogs is so expensive, i tried playing with my doggies but they aint strong... so yeah is there any cookie cutter build that i can spec my gear toward it?
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post Dec 23 2012, 02:50 AM

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2 most powerful witch doctor nuke skill are 0cd zombie dog sacrifice & zombie bear
0 cd zombie dog sacrifice dmg > 275% x3 dogs
zombie bear dmg> 235% x3

reason y decrease summon cooldown of zombie dogs is so expensive bcox it is possible to have unlimited zombie dog sacrifice but impossible to have unlimited zombie bear spam cox u will run out of mana eventually even with alot of reduce resouce cost on zombie charger~

btw cheapest spec and eciest to start with is skorn+acid rain and farm mp0 smile.gif

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post Dec 23 2012, 04:26 AM

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QUOTE(Klawo @ Dec 23 2012, 01:52 AM)
hi all, currently playing a monk and wanna gear my WD, its naked, probably got like 30-50m to spare for WD, coz i think not many ppl play WD. is there like a Cookie cutter build that can take down elite/and mob at the same time fast? and i aint sure y decrease summon cooldown of zombie dogs is so expensive, i tried playing with my doggies but they aint strong... so yeah is there any cookie cutter build that i can spec my gear toward it?
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In theory 0cd zdog gives huge dmg + unlimited mana + unlimited health globe. However in real game play its not so the case. 1st of all to get 0cd on zdog u need to be 1h + mojo & the mojo u need to use is Homunculus which has low avg dmg .. basically equipping 0cd zdog gears will make your dps lower therefore dmg for Sacrifice also lower. Another thing is u need to summon zdog then wait till zdog engage mobs then only use Sac (deal damage) .. total time taken is not really 0 .. so u dont really need 0cd. Unless we are talking about pvp or uber runs where here is tankers in party.

Zombie Bears build with Gruesome Feast + Grave Injustice passive coupled with Soul Harvest is clearly your best bet to deal massive damage in real game play. You can either:
a) obtain high paper dps (200k-300k) by stacking ias (together with CC & CHD) and equipping a 1h wpn (with high base CHD + OS) + Ukh Serpent Mojo (with at least 250-300 avg dmg) @ Manajuma Set with similar stats. However u will run into some problem against RD packs due to only 3% max LS on 1h (Soul Barrage/Pheb can add another 3%LS but SB is best for single target .. it doesnt clear huge packs like Bears does)
b) go 2h with high dps Skorn + high base CHD + open socket + (min of 5%LS if u want to handle RD packs efficiently). The only problem here is u lose pickup radius (needed for GF/GI) from ToTD mojo .. so u need to sacrifice 1 random roll on some gears for pickup radius. Another problem is mana regen (u lose mana regen from mojo) so u need to use full Zuni set + 1/2 mana regen passive (Blood Ritual & Spiritual Attunement) and use 1 mana regen attack spell (Widowmaker, Spined Dart @ what i currently use is Haunt/Draining Spirit)

Gruesome Feast + Soul Harvest can easily boost your dps from 30-100% of your base/paper dps. On my current setup i can go from 27xx intel/12xk dps to 5xxx intel/2xxk dps after GF/SH buff. Spirit Walk + Grave Injustice passive will make chain combo possible if used correctly. If u feel u need to see such build/setup in action .. feel free to add me in-game @ Hulkie#6526. I am currently using such setup with 120k dps, 5.6% LS, 700AR, 3.5k armor & 53k hp. Key & Uber runs up to mp8 is doable .. mp9 is a challenge but mp10 is a suicide mission lolz (need to buff up my EHP & get higher dps b4 can tackle mp10).

This post has been edited by Gecko: Dec 23 2012, 04:28 AM
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post Dec 23 2012, 06:11 PM

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thanks for the tips guys, yeah probably going have to start at mp0 first smile.gif thanks you.
probably goin to go with skorn build.
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post Dec 24 2012, 11:15 AM

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hoho...

top 3 plvl here:

1st (plvl 92) - maxapez2 - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/babyxid...8/hero/20365706

2nd (plvl 78) - Gecko - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hulkie-6526/hero/27716827

3rd (plvl 75) - untong - http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/untong-6379/hero/7015905

GAMBATTE!!!

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post Dec 24 2012, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Dec 20 2012, 02:33 PM)
by the way, any of u did this challenge???

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2631098

ALeUNe done his...

pros, plz test it out...

my wd die within 30s LOL...
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done this at first attempt... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWuInPWOwPo&feature=youtu.be

Always forgot to activate manitou and to stand nearest ghom sweat.gif

Starts : 0:09
Finishes : 6:07
Duration : 358 seconds

This post has been edited by nimanhid: Dec 24 2012, 02:11 PM

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