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jijul84
post Nov 27 2012, 04:33 PM

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Logik ke? Kite try analysis, aku rase mcm mustahil je yg dpt 6 point leh tersingkir

2 game dah di lalui
A vs B : A menang
A vs C : A menang
A vs D: A kalah

B vs A: B kalah
B vs C: B menang
B vs D: B menang

C vs A: C kalah
C vs B: C kalah
C vs D: C kalah

D vs A: D menang
D vs B: D kalah
D vs C: D menang

So kalau mcm ni A, B & D end up with 6 points, C kosong. Kalau mcm ni head to head result same je baru ikut beza jaringan. Ni maksimum point satu group leh dpt.

Ape maksud ko yg 5 point leh qualify? sah sah lah 5 point lg sket dr 6. Can't brain?


Added on November 27, 2012, 4:38 pmKe kalau A menang smua. A 9 points

B vs A : B kalah
B vs C : B menang
B vs D: B kalah

C vs A: C kalah
C vs B: C kalah
C vs D: C menang

D vs A: D kalah
D vs B: D menang
D vs C: D kalah

so final A: 9 point, B, C & D = 3 point. Ni pon ikut beza jaringan since head to head same. so mustahil lah bro.

So Maximum satu group leh dpt adelah 18 points.

Point minimum leh dpt klah smua seri. which is 9 points.

Ape yg aku merepek ni. Kesimpulannye, klau satu group tuh org yg dpt 6 point high probability leh qualify.


This post has been edited by jijul84: Nov 27 2012, 04:38 PM
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post Nov 27 2012, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(jijul84 @ Nov 27 2012, 03:58 PM)
Silent Killer = SK = Sembang Kapal!
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silent killer tu bukan kentut ker? RG nak main psiko ngan laos masalahnyer laos tak paham bahse melayu so takde la boleh dipsiko
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post Nov 27 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(jijul84 @ Nov 27 2012, 05:33 PM)
Logik ke? Kite try analysis, aku rase mcm mustahil je yg dpt 6 point leh tersingkir

2 game dah di lalui
A vs B : A menang
A vs C : A menang
A vs D: A kalah

B vs A: B kalah
B vs C: B menang
B vs D: B menang

C vs A: C kalah
C vs B: C kalah
C vs D: C kalah

D vs A: D menang
D vs B: D kalah
D vs C: D menang

So kalau mcm ni A, B & D end up with 6 points, C kosong. Kalau mcm ni head to head result same je baru ikut beza jaringan. Ni maksimum point satu group leh dpt.

Ape maksud ko yg 5 point leh qualify? sah sah lah 5 point lg sket dr 6. Can't brain?

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saudara memang bijak.saya baru hendak buat diagram Venn

baiklah apa kata kalau kita tengok dalam situasi yang ini pula
A vs B : A seri
A vs C : A seri
A vs D: A menang

B vs A: B seri
B vs C: B seri
B vs D: B menang

C vs A: C seri
C vs B: C seri
C vs D: C seri

D vs A: D kalah
D vs B: D kalah
D vs C: D seri

hanya ada 2 pasukan yang boleh mempunyai 5 mata. jika kedua-dua pasukan mempunyai 5 mata,pasukan ketiga dan keempat hanya mempunyai masing-masing 3 dan 1 mata.ini berbeza dengan senario di atas yang mana pasukan yang mempunyai 6 mata masih berkemungkinan untuk disingkirkan


Added on November 27, 2012, 4:56 pmtapi kalau pasukan C menang terhadap pasukan D, pasukan C juga mempunyai 5 mata....pelik juga

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post Nov 27 2012, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Nov 27 2012, 04:54 PM)
saudara memang bijak.saya baru hendak buat diagram Venn

baiklah apa kata kalau kita tengok dalam situasi yang ini pula
A vs B : A seri
A vs C : A seri
A vs D: A menang

B vs A: B seri
B vs C: B seri
B vs D: B menang

C vs A: C seri
C vs B: C seri
C vs D: C seri

D vs A: D kalah
D vs B: D kalah
D vs C: D seri

hanya ada 2 pasukan yang boleh mempunyai 5 mata. jika kedua-dua pasukan mempunyai 5 mata,pasukan ketiga dan keempat hanya mempunyai masing-masing 3 dan 1 mata.ini berbeza dengan senario di atas yang mana pasukan yang mempunyai 6 mata masih berkemungkinan untuk disingkirkan
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Ooo logik. Sbb hanye dua team yg boleh dpt 5 point.

Manakala, 3 team boleh dpt 6 point. Bijak! notworthy.gif


Added on November 27, 2012, 4:57 pm
QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Nov 27 2012, 04:54 PM)
saudara memang bijak.saya baru hendak buat diagram Venn

baiklah apa kata kalau kita tengok dalam situasi yang ini pula
A vs B : A seri
A vs C : A seri
A vs D: A menang

B vs A: B seri
B vs C: B seri
B vs D: B menang

C vs A: C seri
C vs B: C seri
C vs D: C seri

D vs A: D kalah
D vs B: D kalah
D vs C: D seri

hanya ada 2 pasukan yang boleh mempunyai 5 mata. jika kedua-dua pasukan mempunyai 5 mata,pasukan ketiga dan keempat hanya mempunyai masing-masing 3 dan 1 mata.ini berbeza dengan senario di atas yang mana pasukan yang mempunyai 6 mata masih berkemungkinan untuk disingkirkan


Added on November 27, 2012, 4:56 pmtapi kalau pasukan C menang terhadap pasukan D, pasukan C juga mempunyai 5 mata....pelik juga
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Hahah so teori 5 point pon xleh pakai tongue.gif

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Mat Yo akan sign kontrak dgn johor di kuala lumpur hari ini ............
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post Nov 27 2012, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(fazly15vida @ Nov 27 2012, 03:36 PM)
kalau baca sukan utusan hari ni, b. sathianathan bagi ulasan menyatakan laos bermain lagi laju dari pasukan singapura dan bakal menghadirkan bahaya lebih dari perlawanan menentang singapura...sathia juga menempelak pemain2 pasukan malaysia yang terlalu takut memegang bola dan mengharapkan pemain lain menjalankan tugasan mereka...sathia juga mahukan RG ditched taktik long ball yang mudah dibaca lawan, beliau berkata masa malaysia menang 2010 dulu, kita lebih bermain hantaran pendek, beliau juga pelik kerana walaupun mengekalkan hampir keseluruhan pemain skuad 2010, RG menukar taktik pasukan...so for me i agreed 100% his opinion....after their bus was howled by the ultras malaya after the opening match, i suggest the moral of the malaysian players are quiet down, and they will sure to kick start the campaign by winning against laos thus boosting their spirits, morals and bring back the supporters to the stadium....
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re: the bolded part, i just wanna throw out the question, is it because of the imports the players are becoming like this? i mean hoping others to do their job. my argument most big teams espc bile da ada import, akan solely focus their attack thru their imports, so agak lepas tangan. ATM - pass martelotto/marlon, sgor - bosko, negri - effa. so bile da terlalu reliant on imports, diorg pun take granted about their abilities sebab these imports yang akan work their magic. tu yg start performance drop byk this season. i mean before this xde la cantik mana main but work rate is much better than now.

btw tadi tgk replay indo/laos, actually seeing the first 20mins or so indo control tempo and pegang game giler2 kut. based on this, we shud be able to win against. laos dpt stronghold bile die dpt penalty and sorg indon kena red card. so diorg punye ground passing tu lebih efektif bcoz lebih byk ruang kosong ditinggalkan indon. kalau 11 vs 11 and with correct tactics and clinical finishing, aku expect kena dapat at least 2 goals.
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post Nov 27 2012, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(jijul84 @ Nov 27 2012, 05:57 PM)
Hahah so teori 5 point pon xleh pakai tongue.gif
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nanti saya kira balik.mesti ada jawaban disebalik misteri tersebut

QUOTE(Rocko @ Nov 27 2012, 05:58 PM)
re: the bolded part, i just wanna throw out the question, is it because of the imports the players are becoming like this? i mean hoping others to do their job. my argument most big teams espc bile da ada import, akan solely focus their attack thru their imports, so agak lepas tangan. ATM - pass martelotto/marlon, sgor - bosko, negri - effa. so bile da terlalu reliant on imports, diorg pun take granted about their abilities sebab these imports yang akan work their magic. tu yg start performance drop byk this season. i mean before this xde la cantik mana main but work rate is much better than now.

btw tadi tgk replay indo/laos, actually seeing the first 20mins or so indo control tempo and pegang game giler2 kut. based on this, we shud be able to win against. laos dpt stronghold bile die dpt penalty and sorg indon kena red card. so diorg punye ground passing tu lebih efektif bcoz lebih byk ruang kosong ditinggalkan indon. kalau 11 vs 11 and with correct tactics and clinical finishing, aku expect kena dapat at least 2 goals.
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wawancara Goal.com dengan Encik Steve Darby

http://www.goal.com/en-sg/news/4424/2012-a...eaks-to-goalcom

antara pendapat beliau

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Having worked in Malaysia for many years, what do you think about Malaysian football? What factor brought them success in recent years?

Malaysia is now almost Club Malaysia! They are by far the best prepared national team in the region. They play regular games against quality opposition and also have a strong younger age group teams playing as a club team in Singapore. The biggest and bravest decision the FAM made was to ban foreigners for a few years - which allowed strikers and playmakers to develop and get valuable game time in the M-League. Players such as Norshahrul Idlan and Safee Sali have matured into a deadly strike force. If you look at the V-League you will see most of the foreigners play up front and take the place of local strikers. Also, most of the strikers are big and powerful, which alters the style of play in a league. It’s a decision that has positives and negatives but well worth discussing as a nation and Malaysia has certainly reaped the benefits at international level by being brave. I always believe that a foreigner should fulfill a number of criteria. He should be better than the locals to both justify the salary and bring in crowds, and he must also be a good professional off the field to add value to the team and act as a role model. I think it is crazy to have foreigners on the bench and also to bring players who are basically selfish and just playing for themselves and money.


lihat sajalah corak permainan pasukan negeri sembilan dalam saingan liga tahun ini. lagipun siapa lagi penyerang tempatan yang mempunyai fizikal menyaingi pemain luar? cuma Izzaq dan barangkali Hazwan
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Nov 27 2012, 04:54 PM)
saudara memang bijak.saya baru hendak buat diagram Venn

baiklah apa kata kalau kita tengok dalam situasi yang ini pula
A vs B : A seri
A vs C : A seri
A vs D: A menang

B vs A: B seri
B vs C: B seri
B vs D: B menang

C vs A: C seri
C vs B: C seri
C vs D: C seri

D vs A: D kalah
D vs B: D kalah
D vs C: D seri

hanya ada 2 pasukan yang boleh mempunyai 5 mata. jika kedua-dua pasukan mempunyai 5 mata,pasukan ketiga dan keempat hanya mempunyai masing-masing 3 dan 1 mata.ini berbeza dengan senario di atas yang mana pasukan yang mempunyai 6 mata masih berkemungkinan untuk disingkirkan


Added on November 27, 2012, 4:56 pmtapi kalau pasukan C menang terhadap pasukan D, pasukan C juga mempunyai 5 mata....pelik juga
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Haha pening pale aku baca.. ni jadual untuk game timbal balik (6 games) ke atau group stage 3 games je? Kalau 3 game je memang tak logik je pasukan 6 pts boleh tersingkir dengan pasukan 5 points.. kenot brain kenot brain
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Finally, someone mentioned about import players.

In my opinion, one of the best decission by FAM is to ban all import players in M-league, briliant results for malaysia team in last 3 years.

Once this ban lifted, I forsee the performance of all local players back to before ban (shooting off-target tinggi mcm pokok kepala which I cannot believe we could saw this again during Sunday game).
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pundek apa nak sign kontrak tertutup.

serius player Malaysia ni mmg dah terlalu manja !

RG pon patut tegas la sikit / subahan kamal as manager maybe RG takde kuasa kot?? entahla..
kalau england tu awal2 dah warning takde agent boleh masuk team hotel. capello pun lg kejam dgn no WAGs terus!!
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QUOTE(waruna @ Nov 27 2012, 05:09 PM)
Haha pening pale aku baca.. ni jadual untuk game timbal balik (6 games) ke atau group stage 3 games je? Kalau 3 game je memang tak logik je pasukan 6 pts boleh tersingkir dengan pasukan 5 points.. kenot brain kenot brain
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3 games

3 team menang 2 games & kalah satu game, satu team yg lain kalah semua games

kesudahannya ada 3 team dgn 6 mata. salah satu mesti tersingkir

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QUOTE(junkredish @ Nov 27 2012, 05:16 PM)
3 games

3 team menang 2 games & kalah  satu game, satu team yg lain kalah semua games

kesudahannya ada 3 team dgn 6 mata. salah satu mesti tersingkir
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tu kira ok la.. at least 3 teams ada 6 pts.. tapi kalau 5 pts bleh singkirkan 6 pts mmg mustahil laugh.gif
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QUOTE(waruna @ Nov 27 2012, 05:17 PM)
tu kira ok la.. at least 3 teams ada 6 pts.. tapi kalau 5 pts bleh singkirkan 6 pts mmg mustahil laugh.gif
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aku rasa dia maksudkan team 6 points boleh tersingkir tapi team 5 points masih boleh layak

tapi dalam group berasingan la

klu ikutkan team 3 points pon masih boleh layak. italy WC1982 masih layak (dan akhirnya menang WC) wpon seri ketiga2 games

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QUOTE(setisfai @ Nov 27 2012, 05:14 PM)
Finally, someone mentioned about import players.

In my opinion, one of the best decission by FAM is to ban all import players in M-league, briliant results for malaysia team in last 3 years.

Once this ban lifted, I forsee the performance of all local players back to before ban (shooting off-target  tinggi mcm pokok kepala which I cannot believe we could saw this again during Sunday game).
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benda ni arresandro pernah post. actually aku x agree dgn Steve Darby tu tapi dia ada point kukuh dgn perubahan style gameplay.

tapi benda ni semua x logik kalau basic player pon x betol. Basic player bagus memudahkan dia fit in most of the tactics in the world (adaptability).
Unless tiki taka kot.. Zlatan yg mempunyai teknik yg ALMOST PERFECT pon xleh gi main tiki taka under pep.

Pep sanggup sacrifice eto'o yg taraf dia boleh kata mcm Malaysia drop Mokhtar Dahari..ambik Zlatan pun xleh adapt gak..itu pon orang Malaysia beriya nak main tiki taka..betulkan la passing tu dulu oiiii..

player malaysia pegang bola pun neves macam nak kena sunat..pekebendee tah lagi nak main tiki taka nye

& mcmana nak betulkan benda ni..back to president cup. quality president cup pun hancur..bkn ada player import pun. pastu masuk league dgn kualiti yg ada tu la..pastu tetiba awang hitam besar ada kat depan..."aah sepak je kuat2 la pepandai la dia kejar"

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QUOTE(junkredish @ Nov 27 2012, 05:16 PM)
3 games

3 team menang 2 games & kalah  satu game, satu team yg lain kalah semua games

kesudahannya ada 3 team dgn 6 mata. salah satu mesti tersingkir
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Aiyoo. Aku pon dah terperosok ngan bende ni.

Nanti aku kuarkan sudoku diagram aku yg boleh buktikan team ada 5 point pon bleh terkeluar.
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malaysian ni (some of them) gloryhunter. depa tengok spain pakai tiki taka menang WC sebok nak suruh NT main tiki taka. padahal total football dah berkurun belanda guna x pernah heran pon

agaknya klu france menang WC2006 vs italy aritu, mesti ari2 mintak NT berlatih tanduk menyondol mcm zidane buat

tp heran gak smpi skang x de plak yg suruh main style samba, walhal brazil dah bejuta kali menang WC biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(junkredish @ Nov 27 2012, 05:35 PM)
malaysian ni (some of them) gloryhunter. depa tengok spain pakai tiki taka menang WC sebok nak suruh NT main tiki taka. padahal total football dah berkurun belanda guna x pernah heran pon

agaknya klu france menang WC2006 vs italy aritu, mesti ari2 mintak NT berlatih tanduk menyondol mcm zidane buat

tp heran gak smpi skang x de plak yg suruh main style samba, walhal brazil dah bejuta kali menang WC  biggrin.gif
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tu ah..pastu satgi kata "alaa kitaorang bkn demand main mcm spain pon..mcm vietnam pun jadi la.."

masa menang dulu xde pon "woi tau la menang tp xgeti2 nak main short pass pon!!"...
yg aku tau "pergh power la safee..gempak sial"..."matyo punya gelek tu dah taraf asia kot!!" bla bla bla..
benda ni long process ah...4-5 tahun pon fikir 2-3 kali nak buat..4-5 tahun is not short period of time.kalau tgk bdk2 OKS pun core dia je yg masih kekal..yg lain muka berubah..almost every year.
dari dorang main under OKS..muka Thamil, Irfan, Gary, fandi, Amer (setahun lewat) wan zack, kecik... pusing2 tu je back bone team

kalau semua team senang sgt nak main tiki taka tu aku igt italy vs spain haritu dorang main tiki taka gak kot?
MOHON ITALY BELAJAR MAIN TIKI TAKA BESOK

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Nov 27 2012, 06:32 PM)
Aiyoo. Aku pon dah terperosok ngan bende ni.

Nanti aku kuarkan sudoku diagram aku yg boleh buktikan team ada 5 point pon bleh terkeluar.
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boleh sebenarnya

A vs B : A seri
A vs C : A seri
A vs D: A menang

B vs A: B seri
B vs C: B seri
B vs D: B menang

C vs A: C seri
C vs B: C seri
C vs D: C menang

D vs A: D kalah
D vs B: D kalah
D vs C: D kalah

3 pasukan mempunyai 5 mata.
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QUOTE(me @ me and me,Nov 27 2012, 04:58 PM)
Mat Yo akan sign kontrak dgn johor di kuala lumpur hari ini ............
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pelik ..time tournament leh lg sign contract .. oh malaysia

QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Nov 27 2012, 05:32 PM)
Aiyoo. Aku pon dah terperosok ngan bende ni.

Nanti aku kuarkan sudoku diagram aku yg boleh buktikan team ada 5 point pon bleh terkeluar.
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5 point faham la .. both with W1 D2 L0 , kalah head-to-head
tp 6 point tersingkir oleh 5 point mmg takleh brain .. 5 point ni dah complete 3 game, maknanya 5 point (last game won), yg 6 point (last game lost), still yg 6 point tu dah menang 2 game before the last match ...

QUOTE(junkredish @ Nov 27 2012, 05:35 PM)
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tp heran gak smpi skang x de plak yg suruh main style samba, walhal brazil dah bejuta kali menang WC  biggrin.gif
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ye ke bejuta? hmm.gif laugh.gif

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