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post Nov 20 2012, 09:10 PM, updated 14y ago

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Just wondering is it normal for stock proton continental tyres to wear out after 20k km?

Just now i checked i notice the front top left & right threads are almost botak, however the middle part still got alot of threads.

Just wondering is this normal? Why the middle still got thread?

The rear tyre still seems ok, not much friction marks.
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post Nov 20 2012, 09:41 PM

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But i don't feel the alignment is off, camber can you feel?

But the tyre is 3 years old. Does driving style affect? I don't jam brakes but usually go 60 around turns.

I think tyre pressure maybe low, but why the rear ok?

BTW i forgot the tyre pressure for Persona can someone tell me what is the front/rear tyre pressure?


QUOTE(arrowhead7372 @ Nov 20 2012, 09:38 PM)
camber and allignment also plays a role
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post Nov 20 2012, 09:54 PM

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but if camber is off can't be both sides in & out wear on both front tyres, usually 1 side coz camber is either ?/ \ or \ / right?

Some cars purposely make / \ to get more grip during cornering.

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post Nov 20 2012, 09:57 PM

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So you figure out the best pressure for Proton Persona original rims for Continental?

If not believe booklet then how to know the best pressure?


QUOTE(ToyotaKaki @ Nov 20 2012, 09:55 PM)
Camber and alignment out will only make the tyre worn either side. tyre too much air or pressure will worn in the middle part. if both sides worn equally, then it should be low pressure. Front tyre worn faster because of the engine weight, front wheel drive and steering of tyres. front tyre pressure should be greater than the rear. Never trust the tyre pressure sticker on your car or booklet. different tyre brand different pressure even though same size.
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post Nov 20 2012, 10:00 PM

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But the wear between front & rear is very big difference.

Usually 20k baru rotate mine 20k already both sides botak.

I don't know many people put worn out tyre at rear coz they say front wheel drive front tyre more important, but rear is equally important so that the rear won't turn loose due to less grip.

In my case you think better change out all 4 tyres or just change the front 2?

If i put Michelin PS3 at front while using stock conti at rear will give grip imbalance?



QUOTE(6UE5T @ Nov 20 2012, 09:57 PM)
Going around turns at 60 is depending on the turns la. If sweepers, 60 is very slow. If U-turn then 60 will make your tire screeching already. smile.gif
Age does not play a part in tire wear, more on the elasticity of the rubber.

If camber is too negative, then usually it will wear on the inner side of the tire. If too positive then will wear the outer side.
If too much toe out, also will wear inner side more. If too much toe in, then usually will wear more outer side of the tire.
If wear out both inner and outer side, usually tire under inflated.

Why rear still ok? Because front does a lot more work for FWD cars (putting the power down and steering the car at the same time). Weight distribution of FWD cars are also more at the front, hence more pressure put on the front tires. On top of that braking also is much harder task on the front tires.
So normally front tires for FWD cars would need a few more psi of air/tire pressure. If you put the same as the rear then the front will tend to wear out much faster. Even if you give more pressure to the front, it will still wear out faster, hence you still need to do tire rotation to even out the wear all around.
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post Nov 20 2012, 10:02 PM

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stock is 15 195 60R right? Too long cannot remember right now

QUOTE(735i @ Nov 20 2012, 09:58 PM)
size?
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Added on November 20, 2012, 10:03 pmSo how you judge whether need more air or too much air? Do you pump until the bottom of tire to as flat as other areas or "bump out" a bit, coz usually the weight load is at the bottom of the tyre.

QUOTE(ToyotaKaki @ Nov 20 2012, 10:01 PM)
Booklet is just a guide. check your tyre every 5000 km then you will know what to do with it.
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post Nov 20 2012, 10:13 PM

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Usually rotate cost you how much, last time wanna rotate but forgot, also i hear need to balance camber alignment this and that probably cost rm50...

I don't U-turn at 60 la.

So if cornering tayar no screech means all is good? i only do 60 at those turn like U shape turns but not U-Turn la. Tyre no screech.


QUOTE(6UE5T @ Nov 20 2012, 10:08 PM)
You're supposed to rotate every 10K. It's possible for the front to be worn out much faster if you under inflate and you don't rotate, then do a lot u-turn at 60kph. smile.gif

You can just buy 2 tires and use them at the front since the rear are still good as you said. Different brand is still ok as long as the same for each axle. Might not be ideal but still very much acceptable.
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post Nov 20 2012, 10:23 PM

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I wanted to rotate myself then the forummers last time say need to rotate at shop becoz they need to balance the tyre or something. So i forgot about rotating it.

Also the tyre pressure how the tyre look is important? I mean you pump until tyre is all flat or let the bottom bump out abit due to weight on the bottom?


I prefer abit less air because too much make the tyre bumpy and less grip.


QUOTE(6UE5T @ Nov 20 2012, 10:20 PM)
Rotation does not necessarily need alignment if all your tires are more or less the same condition. That's just the workshops trying to make more money out of you! The rotation it self should be cheap la, only jack up the car and open bolts what? smile.gif Heck I used to do it myself few years ago!

Some tires will screech more than others. But yeah, no screeching means in general not too bad. I often corner until my tires are screeching loud but yet they are still in good condition after 30K km! smile.gif
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post Nov 20 2012, 10:38 PM

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So rotate also no need weight balancing, just new tyres need weight balancing right?

So as long as the wheels are straight there is no harm doing rotation between front & rear, but better swap left to left right to right right?

I always scare pump too much air until the tyre like wanna explode.


QUOTE(6UE5T @ Nov 20 2012, 10:33 PM)
Again as I said before, it's not true that tire rotation always have to be followed by alignment. Those who said that don't know anything, or they are workshop owners who want to make more money! Anyway it's up to you if you want to believe me or not, it's your money after all so do what ever you think is right for you. smile.gif

In terms of tire pressure, well the look of it can give you some indication but not enough. Normally the tread pattern have to lie pretty flat on the road.
If you prefer less pressure then that explains why your front is worn out already on the sides.
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post Nov 20 2012, 10:46 PM

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No la, i just mean when i pump more air it looks like wanna explode only. But u pump more air you get good grip & smooth ride?

QUOTE(ToyotaKaki @ Nov 20 2012, 10:40 PM)
read the tyre wall. it indicate the tyre max pressure.
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post Nov 21 2012, 01:08 PM

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But won't a new spare tyre put into use means one side is off in terms of traction because i is brand new 1 is worn?

QUOTE(6UE5T @ Nov 21 2012, 10:44 AM)
Yes I would if I'm still using the std rims though.
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