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TSWholleymolley
post Nov 20 2012, 04:45 PM, updated 14y ago

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Which lighting arrangement u prefer ?



Source : http://famecherry.com/models/everglades/



Im just a hobbyist, cheers =)

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post Nov 20 2012, 05:52 PM

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I prefer 1 and 4...
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post Nov 20 2012, 08:24 PM

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so harsh
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post Nov 21 2012, 08:12 AM

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yeah, very harsh, u see number 3, grass also cannot see d...
y not u just shoot them with simple fill in flash since the whole background is already so bright?
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post Nov 21 2012, 09:47 AM

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background overexposed,
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post Nov 21 2012, 12:07 PM

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I am not pro, but as general see, I dislike any of it.

Light too harsh on model.

Background crazy over expose.
TSWholleymolley
post Nov 21 2012, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(mls_gamer @ Nov 20 2012, 05:52 PM)
I prefer 1 and 4...
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Thank you, i like 1 and 4 too hehe




QUOTE(ClericKilla @ Nov 20 2012, 08:24 PM)
so harsh
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QUOTE(adam_lss @ Nov 21 2012, 08:12 AM)
yeah, very harsh, u see number 3, grass also cannot see d...
y not u just shoot them with simple fill in flash since the whole background is already so bright?
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QUOTE(onghy @ Nov 21 2012, 09:47 AM)
background overexposed,
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Nov 21 2012, 12:07 PM)
I am not pro, but as general see, I dislike any of it.

Light too harsh on model.

Background crazy over expose.
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hmm ... how to make less harsh ?

besides shooting at golden hour hehe
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post Nov 22 2012, 01:16 PM

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bro , try attached with the EXIF n the setting else... u will only get comment like harsh... very harsh... super harsh... n u end up getting nothing here... after u show the exif , i suggest u bring adam_lss for ur next attempt , he seems like he know alot... learn from him , just some suggestion on how to improve urself ^^
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post Nov 22 2012, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(lipfvng @ Nov 22 2012, 01:16 PM)
bro , try attached with the EXIF n the setting else... u will only get comment like harsh... very harsh... super harsh... n u end up getting nothing here... after u show the exif , i suggest u bring adam_lss for ur next attempt , he seems like he know alot... learn from him , just some suggestion on how to improve urself ^^
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of all the ppl u quote me pulak doh.gif
what i see is how i comment, which is based on number 3, the grass part really out liao ma, no need a genius to tell oso smile.gif
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post Nov 22 2012, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Wholleymolley @ Nov 21 2012, 11:24 PM)
Thank you, i like 1 and 4 too hehe
hmm ... how to make less harsh ?

besides shooting at golden hour hehe
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Expose your picture for the background. Your subject dark nvm
Then fill-in light for the subject with flash/reflector. Dial in the power of the flash (or diffuse the reflector) until it matched the background.
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post Nov 22 2012, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Nov 22 2012, 01:46 PM)
Expose your picture for the background. Your subject dark nvm
Then fill-in light for the subject with flash/reflector. Dial in the power of the flash (or diffuse the reflector) until it matched the background.
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Good idea =)

I used a reflector for this series tho

But yeah agreed, having a artificial lighting will make a diff in flexibility lo

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err...artificial light supposed to help you...not make things more complicated la
can see you are using reflector in the pics..quite well too.
just that the background is too bright already and the reflector cant do much to help
so in comes flash to fill in.
dial up your shutter speed to darken the background, use flash to light up the model
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post Nov 22 2012, 09:37 PM

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I'm not a pro and a beginner. IMO, theoretically I think you should meter you back ground and set it to Manual, then only you put flash or reflector. Dear Pros please correct me if I'm wrong. I also somehow suffer canot get the green background like what TS facing.
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post Nov 26 2012, 05:24 PM

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by the way, what camera and lens you using?
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QUOTE(adam_lss @ Nov 22 2012, 01:45 PM)
of all the ppl u quote me pulak doh.gif
what i see is how i comment, which is based on number 3, the grass part really out liao ma, no need a genius to tell oso smile.gif
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post Dec 10 2012, 12:49 AM

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Decreased vibrance better
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post Dec 10 2012, 08:29 AM

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TS, I do not know if any of this is going to get through but I'm just going to say it. At least I can remind myself..

Backlight technique as your post title suggest is not having the background all blown out. If that's the case, why bother to go outside and find nice background? It's going to be blown out with little to no details left.

As far as most is concerned, backlighting is something to avoid. This is because the bright light from the back will plunge your talent's face into darkness. To counter, flash is used. Else backlighting is used to create a halo effect around the subject but this is always accompanied by at least one light in front to lift the shadows.

When you shoot, do you actually know what result you are trying to get before you release the shutter?

If you are shooting with all the background blown to kingdom come, why bother lugging around all that equipment? Why bother with a DSLR plus a light stand, an external flash and if I am not mistaken, a filter for your flash? Just take a compact point and shoot camera and you can get the same effect. Blown out background.

If you want to show the background you have to preserve the details. You cannot have it blow out. Usually in cases like this, you meter your camera for the background. In doing so, you know that your subject will be underexposed. To counter this, you use a flash and light your subject. End result is both background and subject are lighted and you get details both in your subject and background.

To illustrate further, I am going to post 3 pictures of how I deal with backlighting or when the background is too bright for my liking. You may not agree with me but that's up to you.

First pic - when I meter for the subject with a background that's way too bright:
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As you can see, the background is all blown to kingdom come.


Second pic - when I meter for the background:
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Here the background exposure is great. I can see details in the sky but the subject is all in shadows. I do not think the model will find this pic attractive.


The solution is to bring out the flash:

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Here I shot with the flash held with my left hand, off camera. The flash lights up the subject nicely and the details in the background is preserved. Even lighting for both foreground and background. This is the reason why I lug around gears that weigh like a ton of bricks. If you are shooting beside me with a compact point and shoot camera, there's no way you can get a pic like this. You get either the first or the second pic.

Like I said before, if the first pic is what you are aiming for, and most of your shots here in this thread shows that is the case, why lug around so much gear?

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post Dec 10 2012, 09:44 AM

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I used a reflector la

Looking at ur bohkeh, for your photo either u used HSS or ND filter, I dont have that yet, thats why still called testing phase



Thanks for the explanation tho, however the main thing what i wanted to achieve in these photos here is the hair light which come from behind or above
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post Dec 10 2012, 10:22 AM

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FYI, the only filter I had in front of my lens was a UV filter. The flash may have been in HSS. I don't remember and I'm not a stickler for things like EXIF digging. Even if you used a reflector, there's no excuse for blowing out all of your shots.

Hair light will be there even if the exposure is correct. You need not blow out anything for hair light effect.

You have been shooting so frequently and posting up so, so many threads that I find it almost impossible to believe that you don't have any idea about exposures. Do you not know when a shot is blown out?

If you just want hair light and don't care much about the background then it's better to do an indoor shoot and have the model stand in front of a light (don't have to be a flash. Just a light.) with a plain grey or black background. More pronounced hair light.

I've seen countless posts from others about the posing and composition of your shots so I'm not even going there. The technical part of getting exposures right should be at least adhered to.
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post Dec 10 2012, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Dec 10 2012, 10:22 AM)
FYI, the only filter I had in front of my lens was a UV filter. The flash may have been in HSS. I don't remember and I'm not a stickler for things like EXIF digging. Even if you used a reflector, there's no excuse for blowing out all of your shots.

Hair light will be there even if the exposure is correct. You need not blow out anything for hair light effect.

You have been shooting so frequently and posting up so, so many threads that I find it almost impossible to believe that you don't have any idea about exposures. Do you not know when a shot is blown out?

If you just want hair light and don't care much about the background then it's better to do an indoor shoot and have the model stand in front of a light (don't have to be a flash. Just a light.) with a plain grey or black background. More pronounced hair light.

I've seen countless posts from others about the posing and composition of your shots so I'm not even going there. The technical part of getting exposures right should be at least adhered to.
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Well do you know the fundamental diff between a shot done using hss and one done without ( say example with a reflector ) ?

I know the flaws of the photos la, i know how to overcome them after this test

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