General Talks on bicycles. Feel free to ask and share your cycling experience.Any routes, upgrades or any news that you have might be valueble to us! Also share the pictures of your bicycles!



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Frequently Asked Question on what kind of bikes to get:

1) Aluminum bike - 10 speed Tiagra (maybe mixed Tiagra - Sora), priced around RM3k up- this would be the absolute lowest point i would say to start from... any lower and you will land outside of 10speed equipment and any upgrades will certainly be more than the difference you saved not buying this bike.. shimano launched tiagra with 10speed beginning of this year making this a considerable choice... also, this grade of bike will have a more common grade of cockpit (handlebar, stem, seat post, saddle) and cheaper wheels

2) Aluminum bike - 10 speed 105 (maybe mixed 105 - Tiagra), priced around RM3.8k up- most likely the same frame above with a different paint livery, this would be an entry level into shimano's definition of competition components... tiagra would be what they called the top tier among the enthusiast group.. although both 10 speed... but materials and feel... tiagra has a shift indicator while the 105 does not hence giving you a pro feel (what the bike shop will tell you)...mostly.. tiagra has a bit more plasticky bits than 105... some slightly more expensive models might even start offering slightly better wheels like mavic aksiums along with better slightly better graded cockpit...

- i would not try and go past 105 on a aluminum bike... the best brands like specialized or bmc will be selling an aluminum bike equipped with 105 for a little over RM5k... going 1 notch up into ultegra will lead you to start looking into higher end bikes as those bikes will surely creep past RM6k and most likely a mismatch between frame and component grades... you will be practically trying to pair a set of RAYS CE28N onto a Perodua Myvi if you get what i mean in car terms...

3) Carbon bike - 10 speed 105 (possibly not full 105), priced around RM7k up- this would be a foray into performance bicycles... although a carbon frame... but this are not the best carbon has to offer for 2 reasons... carbon cloth grade (less modulus, less weave, lower grade binding agents) and the man power / time needed (less complex layup schedules) to layup the carbon layers into producing a frame... basically a mass produced frame with the lowest production cost possible... not all that bad... it should still be on par if not better with the best of the aluminum frames in terms of stiffness.. basically, component should be similar or slightly better than the aluminum 105 bike depending on the price you pay...

- here i would name one which shocked me quite a bit recently... saw this Look 566...this http://www.lookcycle.com/en/int/route/velo...-bike-2013.html , but i guess a previous year model...... carbon frame with Mavic Aksium wheels... not a complete 105 with some downgraded cranks and calipers... a carbon frame with comfort geometry retailing for RM7.1k if my memory serves me right...

- price is slightly high for some people... but if you look at it...maybe under 30% more if you are looking at a Apex or 105 equipped Specialize Allez

4) free for all - death - bankruptcy - you name it...
- step into this and there will be no return...

Credit: YB　Butthead


Previous thread: Cycling V2
Previous thread: V 3

Updated: 2nd Nov 2012
Updated: 11 Nov 2012 - V4

This post has been edited by vin_ann: Jan 9 2013, 01:47 PM

I decided to pickup cycling with folding bikes. Day1 today and so ngam new thread.

ORi M10 (Hunter Green)


Lots to learn from you guys...

This post has been edited by auhckw: Nov 28 2012, 09:00 PM

Hey why not put the first post as the palce to show off our bike?

Here mine:

i don't know what you expect to learn other than c0cking 101

that bike is cool looking... the stem worries me a bit though... to be frank...wonder if it can take the weight

and, here is mine

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Added on November 15, 2012, 11:48 pmdun know why it just reminds me of some aliens from some movie where their leg bent backwards...WEIRD!!!



some sexy aliens to induce a good nightmare for you guys tonite..


the sir chris hoy equivalent of the alien track cycling team..


why the sudden alien topic??? strange...

well... it's time to fire up the media player to watch some aliens copulating in species...


natasha henstridge...wooo

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 15 2012, 11:48 PM

u need to get sram pink

you think stan day will give the green light to create a new line up???

for u, why not

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Nov 15 2012, 11:52 PM

i don't see why he will... unless he is high on hasheesh

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Added on November 15, 2012, 11:59 pmthis will have to do for the time being..



This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 15 2012, 11:59 PM

Haha... Cannot tahan laugh. Cycling thread v3/v4 really got a lot of off topic post

Anyway, bike specs says:
The maximum combined weight of rider and luggage should not exceed 110kg

I'm only weighing 57kg+-

This post has been edited by auhckw: Nov 16 2012, 06:41 AM

Agreed!


Btw here's mine



Btw there's more than 2 actually ._.



This post has been edited by dinraxxx: Nov 16 2012, 07:06 AM

i think it has been off topic 90% of the time from day 1...

110kg.. still looks worrying though...it'll feel like standing on the edge of a cliff riding out of saddle...

enjoy your ride anyhow...go kesas on the tuesday and wednesday nights... lots of foldie riders there...

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Added on November 16, 2012, 9:11 ambike fetish... do you sleep with em at night or wat

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 16 2012, 09:11 AM

They have their own space in the living room.So no problemo

i am gonna go kill myself now

okkie....


wah lau....

i want go jump off from 14th floor lioa... have u decided how to do it?

put your wrist on the cassete. It's way more harmful and slow death

HAHA! good one

i'm not knowlegdeable to make homemade gels. are you fan of homemade? include video-ing ur activity???


the reviews said the gel gives you endurance, yet fast recovery.

u can perform the endurance the next day...

alamak..... i'll take those gels. just take my money

banzai... li tat also need teaching meh...

0) open the lance armstrong ATOC interview with paul kimmage and listen to him telling you that you are not worth the chair you are sitting on...
here...

1) lift your lazy azz up from the chair you are sitting on (shut down your computer if you are a good employee, go green mar)
2) walk to the nearest lift (loading lift is better, there is reasons for this)
3) press the arrow pointing up

4) wait for lift door to open
5) walk into lift when lift door opens
6) press the biggest number you can find, hope you passed your standard 1 math exam
7) squat yourself into the 100M sprint starting position

in case you don't know wat the heck i am talking about
8) wait for lift door to open, time varies depending on how many floors you have to go up... be patient and treat it like those drag strip christmas tree..

9) sprint like hell or michael johnson


~ at this point... keep running and only one of 2 things will happen

1) you find yourself running where there is no ground and suddenly you remember your primary school science class where the teacher is teaching you about gravity.. panic the shit out of yourself for 10 seconds and then you might see white light and stuff...

maybe some pretty girls inviting you somemore...

2) you hit face first into some glass window because you got off the wrong floor when the lift door opened...

at this point, you can punch the living lights out of the idiot who pressed the lift button stopping your lift on the wrong floor and continue to be the laughing stock of the entire building for a epically failed suicide attempt... or walk back to the lift and repeat from step 3

moral of story... take the stairs...

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Added on November 16, 2012, 10:17 amsounds more like via-gra

why need to video... want to post instructional video on youtube is it?

home made gel.. .easy lar...

use 2 tubes of ky jelly, durex play (don't buy the heat or tingling ones...you don't want your tongue to be on fire or tinglish) or astroglide... blend some mango, orange, apple, pineapple, black/blue/green/purple berries and mix them together... last but not least... fold in 2 kilos of sugar and 1 kilo of salt for packing in more energy and replacing your lost sodiums...

freeze the shitz out of it... pour it into used gel packs and staple the shit up... and there you have your home made gel pack...

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Added on November 16, 2012, 10:21 amfor jelly wrestling match??

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 16 2012, 10:21 AM

Your living room full of bikes. Some more park in front of TV and got hanging bikes. How to walk around there...

Day2: This morning I took a ride in Desa ParkCity.

wow....

dude, you have amazing folding bike story to tell....

wait i free, i want to tell my amazing doremon roadbike story too!

wat to tell.. like how giant used doraemon as a punching bag???

i have story to tell too...

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Added on November 16, 2012, 11:30 amdead slow... didn't noticed that before... where was that???

didn't noticed there was a gradient signboard as well... wonder what is that for anyways...at least my gradient sensor is correct...haha

you go climb the park city hill in the evenings lar...sometimes can see sunset there... and of course with a side serving of chicks bouncing around the parks...

if scared... ride slow slow lar... it's not a competition.. you don't get teh tarik for flying down at high speeds...

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 16 2012, 11:31 AM

highly anticipated blockbuster of the year

you know it's gonna be a whole load of crock un-related to cycling...

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Added on November 16, 2012, 11:36 ambtw auhckw... you sell tea or wat???


i heard pu-er is good for weight loss but causes low bone density... osteoporosis...

i am a tea drinker myself...雪茶 everyday...chinese starbucks...

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 16 2012, 11:36 AM

Dead Slow is on the left about 20 meters before the top roundabout

I'm not doing fast, but down hill how to slow? Press breaks also still moving. I didn't even paddle, it just roll down fast. No control at all. Next time I would probably have to push bike down

Btw, I do runs at DPC too, running is nicer than cycling in terms of seeing bouncing things

This post has been edited by auhckw: Nov 16 2012, 11:42 AM

I not seller. I just collect some for fun.

There is a limit of what you should consume. Drink with moderate and it shouldn't be a problem

you sure your brakes are working properly.. you have v-brakes at the back which should have massive stopping power.. the front dual pivot might not be that powderful... but should still stop the bike...

you are not trying some super late braking rite...

while looking from afar.. you can watch without being caught watching mar... hahaha

I have not compared with other brakes before, but this brake doesn't seem massive. Will get it checked the next time I go service the bike.

The seller said to use front brakes when emergency, so I've not pressed it so far when cycling.

When going down hill, I was pressing and letting go, pressing and letting it go to slow down. Is this the right technique?

Don't get caught, wear sunglass la... but I guess you already practicing it

This post has been edited by auhckw: Nov 16 2012, 11:50 AM

my friend who in Australia said this thread is too technical...

he is planning to get a bike there...

any newbie want to share where n how u pick up in cycling?

this thread too technical??? what??? how can???

i picked up cycling after i saw this pic

okkie!

i ask him come see again!

tea is expensive... i don't understand it...same like wine...

tell it to the girls... they think that it is miracle tea...

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Added on November 16, 2012, 12:11 pmusually... v-brakes paired with v-brake lever are damn powerful... if you pulled it full force without thinking twice on the front, you will flip and go over the handlebars... that is what happened to me more than 10 years back first time after installing v-brakes... but your front is a normal caliper.. so, no worries...

actually... why the front is better is because when braking... weight transfer happens and all the load goes from the rear to the front loading the front wheel up while it unloads the rear making it easier to lock up the rear wheel...

in some cases, it is dangerous... but i prefer to brake with the rear more than the front because i hate losing the front end compared to the rear end in case the wheel locks up due to sand on the ground or stuff like that...

you should balance the use of front and rear brakes in normal circumstances... be it 60-40, 40-60, 70-30 or 30-70 front-back is up to you...asalkan you stop in time..jus dun try superhero late braking and banking into corners like motogp riders and you'll be safe...

it's a personal thing.. how you control the brakes is up to you... whether you modulate or pulse it is no issue... either ways is correct as long as you get down safely... the only problem riding the brakes too much is accelerated rim wear...

sunglasses... that is so mainstream in miao's words... i spy from afar with binoculars..

this thread is too technical... are you sure your friends is watching the correct thread???

i only see a whole load of c0cking around lor... that can't be technical...it is not even logical...

usually.. all newbies are like


after they picked up the sport... blindly stepping on landmines

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 16 2012, 12:23 PM

Yes. Tea is expensive. Can be as expensive as RM100k for a 1950s puerh 357g

Tea & Teapot has appreciation value if you buy the right wans and letting it go after some time of storing it.

For more of my Tea punya cerita, you can visit this thread
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=236&t=1392369

100k.. that's crazy... i've seen before those RM30k cakes.. but never 100k before... crazy like those 50k ginseng sticks...

and they can't even give you wings like red bull does... haha

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Added on November 16, 2012, 12:38 pmlooking at that pict... i want to ride her... i meant my bike too...

send him the link lar...maybe he went to lowyau.net...

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Added on November 16, 2012, 12:44 pmthe chick damn powderful ler... sit until her seat post bengkok..



i definitely won't let her ride on top... damn dangerous...

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Added on November 16, 2012, 12:46 pmi on the other hand would chase this tail if i haven't begin cycling at all..



won't that piece of fabric cause her to get uncomfortable???

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Added on November 16, 2012, 12:55 pmwah... after reading a few page of your tea thread...

it's my turn to say it is too complicated...

in this case, i have to quote jet li in 霍元甲

continue drinking my ice tea

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 16 2012, 12:55 PM

Thanks for the advice. Will try what you suggest about using both breaks but with different pressure.

Once I understand more about the bikes part, I would probably upgrade them progressively. Still missing many accessories haven't buy yet.

Im now considering whether should I get water bottle pouch or the bottle holder...

not too familiar with foldie accessories... if your frame can bolt on a bottle cage.. i prefer a bottle cage as it is sturdier...

hi guys and gals..

just would like to seek your recommendation of places to cycle on tarmac, i'm a newbie who's looking for places to cycle along with my partner..

so far i've been to the following places to cycle, however i'm looking for more as i would to alternate the cycling trips, and also to get away from traffic, as my partner is not so confident cycling on roads with lots of cars

1. desa park city
2. bukit cahaya recreational park
3. FRIM
4. housing area around my neiboughood.

your inputs are very much welcome. tq tq

This post has been edited by akarsan: Nov 16 2012, 02:58 PM

bukit kiara - problem is it is a steep uphill ride and very short..
genting sempah - a bit of cars but generally a quiet road, uphill also but not too steep... covering less than 2000 feet in 14KMs of road
cyberjaya - they said quite quiet on the weekends... not sure bout this as i heard of it only...
kepong metropolitan park? - this i am totally not sure... i just saw there is small lanes there which a bike might be able to travel on.

Dude which part of aussie your friend is in? If he at my place i can bring him to my lbs to brainwash him

Is sidi wire avalable in kl already and what the retail price?

This post has been edited by minizian: Nov 16 2012, 04:37 PM

Merida 2013 Scultura Comp 903 vs Scott 2012 CR1 Comp

Similar specs, Merida slightly more expensive due to it being a 2013 bike and better package with bibs shorts, jerseys and everything but still higher than the 2012 package by a couple of hundred bucks.

I'm just wondering if u all would consider going for the Merida just because of this? And I understand that Merida has a Shimano R501 rims and Scott is using its factory aero rims, would that bump up the value?

Thanks

*basket I'm going from an alloy to a carbon :/

it's up to you really... if those jerseys are not what you want.. then it's meaningless from a value point of view...

the r501 is not expensive wheels anyhow when compared to the alexwheels on the scott... so, not really a big factor

at the end of the day... it comes down to 2 factors.. do you believe scott or merida makes a better frame at this price range as both is equipped equally the same more or less...

and also the factor of which shop you can connect with better.. 2nd point is quite important unless you want to buy the bike cut ties and go to some other shops for future services / maintenance and stuff...

didn't know they already took in the scultura series...

i saw the ride series and the paint scheme is quite interesting...


price also quite surprising...

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 16 2012, 05:38 PM

Noted bro, and ya, which scultura is that

hulu langat
putrajaya

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Added on November 16, 2012, 5:45 pmsidi wire not sure la. i don't think so.

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Nov 16 2012, 05:45 PM

that is the ride series...different line up from scultura... built to be more comfortable with a different frame geometry....

i think this is the one..
http://www.merida-bikes.com/en_int/bike/20.../Ride+Carbon+93

is it putra or cyber??? i always get confused one over the other... i was thinking it should be cyber because that is where all the govt. offices are right? and they don't work on weekends meaning less traffic...

putrajaya la... where gov offices are located. cyberjaya is where all IT companies are located.

ohh... soli lar.. i always damn confused over the 2 stupid places... and they are placed next to each other...

cyber - IT... quite logic... why didn't i think of that...

hulu langat and putrajaya are two best places to cycle.

hulu langat - people there are used to seeing cyclists on the road. many stops and stalls. roads are decent width, less traffic, and no hi speed vehicles.

putrajaya - super wide roads. but cars are super fast. many routes u can venture.

for roadbikes, u can do putrajaya/cyberjaya route. can easily get 40-60km.

I went and last minute register this today and collected the goodie on the spot too. I took the 30km Fun Ride. Only RM20



Goodie Bag


Anybody else going ah?

This post has been edited by auhckw: Nov 16 2012, 06:44 PM

homemade energy bar

http://bicycling.com/blogs/ramblingman/201...-on-long-rides/

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Nov 16 2012, 11:05 PM

Pardon me saying, looks a little like horse fodder but your preparation is top notch, I can never cut aluminum foil perpendicular on all sides. With that and all, I will take this anytime over those gel or energy bar. Really nice!)

chef miao, wow!!!

when u want to rip it from the box, do it slowly. then fold it and cut it with a sharp knife. the knife has to be sharp, very important.

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Added on November 17, 2012, 5:06 amu see, as an employee, i have value added skills. next time when u want to fire me, think again

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Nov 17 2012, 05:06 AM

so, does it mean i can put you to more work with the same amount of pay???

lesson of the day.. dun berlagak pandai in front of your boss...

7.2kg

looks like someone's got a new bike...

wait till vin_ann come and troll you on how his doraemon weighs 7 kilos without pedals and bottle cages as well...haha

change groupset to sram red, change saddle to fizik antares 00. can go sub 7kg. change to carbon clincher, 6.8kg. weight weenie!

how can 6.8kg be considered weight weenie... 6.8kg is considered UCI compliant...

12lb or sub 5.5kg will be borderline weight weenie...

mind i suggest a set of zipp 202s FC tubular??? immediately drop 300+ grams off...

Did you buy the S-Werk and swab the components? I have the same wheel, Mavic Kysium Elite. Did you safe some weight on the Hub?
Like the red spook, maybe can get a pair together with the hub later myself, if I have your consent due to copy right?
My bike 2011 model looks mundane, same color scheme, black and white. Need a little makeover.

i bought the frame only and transferred the parts from my old bike. the wheels are mavic ksyrium sl, not elite. what do u mean copyright?

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Added on November 17, 2012, 2:59 pmoo... not weight weenie ah boss? ok la... tubular, no way. don't want to be left alone by the roadside.

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Nov 17 2012, 02:59 PM

I like cycling very much because cycling is a very interesting game but I did not participate any cycling competition. So, its not necessary for me to buy any part of bikes. But I want to know details about the all parts of bikes.

http://sheldonbrown.com/

Oh.. I see, aluminum spoke.. Must try uncle "bohchap" if I can get the red spoke. Copyright ..joking onli.

call taxi lar

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Added on November 17, 2012, 9:03 pmit might not be as simple as that, the spoke lejgth might be different between the elite and sl

furthermore i believe the red spokes are counter balance spokes meaning they are made heavier than the others

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 17 2012, 09:03 PM

Rode 82 km with my armchair friend. Did 38 km on crit circuit then 45km ish road riding.

This counter balance looks damn sui, just like a gurl wearing red lipstick, so kissable.
My bike so dull leh...like old hag, in need of makeup.

Forgot to introduce myself. I am a newbie, and I mean it. First few month after buying my rd bike, I treat it like a trophy and gather dust for months. Why, the clipless shoe to daunting for me. Scared fall down, very painful and worse still, malu..sial.
Till now, only done 200 odd kilo.

My story on how I started.
Initially wanted to buy mountain bike, but stock not arrive for more than 2 months after ordering one at unker's place. I visit on and off, got poisoned deeper somemore. Then one day, one damn Sui Jarbo brought along a Cr1 team, and packing it up for England to study and ride over there.
Then I think got potential for plenty more classee chick in the scene. So I also wan a bit of the action, and simply hantam one hangging on the rack of my size. Converted straight away to rodie after encountering the poison kind.

Then problem, no sidi shoe for the size I wan, another 3 months down the rd, shoe arrived, new problem, no c.chick around to give me confidence, i was day dreaming that, no matter how weak my legs are, I think i cannot be too far off from the ladies, right? I am dead wrong, my first outing, a simple slope also got my leg muscle throbbing and want to stop leh.
So a blessing in disguise that I didn't follow unkle's invites on one of his ladies infested rides... Or else kena pui!
So end up, my bike collecting dust at home after my maiden ride.
Wan more stories from newbie like me?

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Added on November 18, 2012, 12:44 amMinizian, u improve a lot, ho? You started with crash, then cramp, then knee boh sui after doing just 20 km. Now you are 3 times better than me, can go 60 -80 km.
Oops...just realize my typo error, I mean 200 km in all for my previous post and not Kilo.
Is it your upgrades to your emc or your legs got canteburol
I think after more post from you, i think you will be beating some of the regular guys here and make my more jealous

This post has been edited by Mac Wai: Nov 18 2012, 12:44 AM

Can anyone PM me nay Online Shops foe MTB parts and accessories ?

you're pulling our legs with tat chick story of yours...

get your ass off the couch and start pushing the pedals again...chick or no chick...

and to top it off, i dun think the chicks join the sport expecting to find mr.universe or the next bradley wiggins in every rider...gender equality right? nothing says a chick has to ride slower than you and you should not be bothered by it one way or the other...

if you are and you really gt your ass whipped, there is always he ride more and train harder route...

jus go out and enjoy the ride dude...let shit be shit... jus enjoy he rides

hey, you look at mah bike and i bet you start weeping...i don't even bother sexying it up anymore... its a waste of money and doesnt improve my motivations and drive for riding

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Added on November 18, 2012, 3:02 amyou're asking us to write an encyclopedia on biked dude...

insurmountable task, keyboard freaking out...

better if you have some narrowed down topics that we can direct you to some resources or wat miao recommende with the late sheldon browns site... if the guru cant teach you, there is nohing we can do...

c0cking 101 on the other hand i might be able to help

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 18 2012, 03:02 AM

This thread is for roadbikes only ah... Anyway, my today's cerita on my foldie experience. Saw many roadbikes also today. I have to admit, I feel a little small next to them. It feels like they are big boys and I'm a kid. Haha.

no lar... any form of cycling is cycling... or maybe a narrower description is anything that does not go offroad...

foldies are foldies, roadies are roadies... there is thing hey can do that you cant and vice versa... no big boy or small boys toys...

those rm30k up bikes are considered big boys toys lar...

teach me some, boss

descending GS in pouring rain was unnerving. i've made the right choice when i chose to buy ksyrium SL instead of a carbon clincher. saw one dude with his bike on the roadside. i assumed he overshot and fell. he had deep carbon wheels, descending GS in pouring rain

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Nov 18 2012, 04:08 PM

your time will come...

Any chance of getting hold of Malaysia official cycling clothing kit?

fugly hydralic road lever from sram...

ciclista makes it, but expensive. jersey only rm2xx

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Added on November 19, 2012, 10:33 amagreed. fugly

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Nov 19 2012, 10:33 AM

wah... Butthead....

why not just wait next year LTDL 2013???... wait for the telekom or team malaysia to pass by and push down 1 rider and rob him of his apparels...

you just need to spend money for bus fare and washing detergent, and maybe a 1.25liter bottle of dettol...RM50 max?

geting highlands is your best chance since they will be riding like slow pokes... and you can stand on the roadside to watch...hahaha

never gonna get disc equipped road bikes... feels damn weird with or without the fugly lever..

nothing to wah wah about... not like i own it although i wish i could...

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Added on November 19, 2012, 1:13 pmnot really online... but other than bicyclebuysell

http://www.wanscycle.com/web/
http://s2hcycle.com/

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 19 2012, 01:13 PM

Calling for dinraxx..is pinarello that good? U have two of em right? I read somewhere that pinarello planted well on a fast flat ride compare to sl4 which is a little bit twitchy..is that right?

Miopurr is that sl3? How's it performs?

yes, sl3. performs like any other bikes i guess. i can't tell the difference. i've only owned 3 bikes so far. the first two, i got the sizing wrong. one alu, one carbon. the current one, sl3, i got the sizing right. so can't really make a comparison.

how much does the frame costs

the carbon frames nowadays are so cheap... hard to avoid the temptation... basketballs..

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Added on November 19, 2012, 2:00 pmin le tours of the past 13 years...

pinarello won twice (oscar pereiro 2006 by default and wiggo 2012)
BMC once (cadel evans 2012)
Trek won nine times (banned doper 97-2005, berty 2007 & 2009)
Spez won one time (sissy schleck 2010 by default)

the results speak for itself... if you discount the banned doper... it is on par with trek..and if you look further, it could have won another couple of tours with ullrich and kloden by the disqualification of the doper...

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Added on November 19, 2012, 2:03 pmspeaking of the doper himself...



totally mega-trolled everyone with this picture when he tweeted it more than a week ago...

either he has no conscience or he plainly does not give a flying f@k

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 19 2012, 02:04 PM

5.9k

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Added on November 19, 2012, 3:03 pmlike a boss!

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Nov 19 2012, 03:03 PM

tempting!!!

that got fired...and being a sour puss...

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 19 2012, 03:21 PM

moving story

http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2012/11/bikes-for-rwanda/

countries torned by war, famine and shit

should be counting our blessings and not why we cant get that stupid carbon wheel for rm5 cheaper

looking on the bright side... they have 10speeds at least

This post has been edited by butthead: Nov 19 2012, 05:09 PM