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davidke20
post Nov 19 2012, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(nickzkuso @ Nov 19 2012, 08:54 PM)
The reason I seldom complain abt my fc not because I'm richfag and can owiz pump petrol..
It's becos I understand my car have to carry me this big fat guy :(
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How fat is fat -_- That statement makes a lot of us down. FYI, I'm also a little giant at 80kg :x But if lose weight on the car helps, why not? I might not get 6.7litre/100km, I certainly hope to reduce fuel consumption on my GaGa. I know persona normally does around 12~13km/litre already very geng. But the guy can do 14 and above consistently, which I think there must be something we can learn from.

QUOTE(zeone @ Nov 19 2012, 09:02 PM)
Hi YAB Bro David....
Re abv tipsi 2improve on FC, feel me good candidate (white tikus) 2experiment on... :hehe:  :P

1. Changing petrol brand/source @every refill : Feel this way one eliminates certain "factors" (some uknowats...) and thus provide a more balanced supply of reasonably "GOOD" Q fuel....
2. Yup, less petrol in tank = lighter load = better efficiency re weight : power ratio. This is often practised even in F1 GP situations...
3. Selection of N @traffic lights stops...this reduces load on engine & thereby reduces FC...
4. And yup, here, too! Reduction in Weight:Power ratio as in 2 abv. We carry lotsa unnecessary "junk" in our boot...most of which we nvr use nor touch at all! Agreed? And ya lo, with a Driver-less car, FC wld be even further reduced!! Haha!  :hyper:

Btw, are yu so much overweight, Bro? That yu need 2lose weight?  :w

On behalf of all 4AT poor souls (me included...), tks a meg, Bro YAB David, 4sharing all those nice & practical tipsi !! :cheers:  :respect:
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Ofcourse he also mentioned some other stuff like never wait inside the car with idling engine + aircon, which we already know. So I didn't touch those bits, just wanted to share some of his idea that I've never thought about.

QUOTE(zeone @ Nov 19 2012, 09:18 PM)
Hi Bro...
Feel anyone who decides 2buy a Gaga, definitely did NOT make his decision based on GOOD FC feature...but more cos of :wub: 4its other :wub: features....
As such, 2complain abt its FC is akin 2Crying Over Spilt Milk! Or am I so wrong?  :rolleyes:

Me am very happy with Gaga FC cos compared 2my ole gen Saga:
a. me getting similar FC as ole Saga which was 1.5 3AT!
b. me now using RON95 instead of 97 ie savings of abt RM1/L...
c. me saved abt RM10k in purchase price, not incl interest on that xtra RM10k loan (compared 2a more econ make but costs much much more) which wld pay for years of filling her up!!
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Not crying out loud, but I've got so used to 15cents/km. Suddenly a GaGa make me pay almost close to 20cents/km really butt hurt. I'm putting a lot of hope to improve on fuel efficiency, even got into a fight with some senior member(unoehu i tok about) regarding FC issues.

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post Nov 19 2012, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Nov 19 2012, 09:59 PM)
Regarding this point, i did experience exactly before. I can get better FC when i switch petrol brand, but will settle down on 2nd tank.
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Which I have absolutely no idea how it affect FC after all. But since he told, I listen lo. May be give it a shot. After this tank nod.gif
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post Nov 19 2012, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(Aishinka @ Nov 19 2012, 10:00 PM)
Sorry to bump back old issue again, but my fuel consumption is really shitty to the max now. 40% highway 60% city, not heavy foot, most also 3k~4k rpm gear change. RM50 can only take me like, 240km? Combined with highway also ( speed <110km/h ). Recently i just changed my extractor and muffler thats all.
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try to clear ECU memory and see. Another question, manual or auto? if auto, 50 bucks 240 is only normal than normal, nothing to cry about whistling.gif
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post Nov 19 2012, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Nov 19 2012, 10:34 PM)
ooic....someone told me...other method is disconnet the battery and wait for 1 min then connect it back....but is it necessary do ECU reset every single we change stuff
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You do not need to pull the plug. To clear ECU memory, you just need to pull the fuse for few seconds. Careful, don't break it. Thanks to mengsuan contribution
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p/s: not sure the pink color or the white color liao. go read your fuse box cover lar

QUOTE(wanfauzan @ Nov 19 2012, 10:37 PM)
Got your point there. But whats bugging me is, proton advertise the warranty  as lifetime not 10 years. As if the lifetime of the car is only 10 years
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Look at the pictures below, you justify. Do you seriously think the prrrastic IAFM can last more than 10 years under extreme heat condition in engine bay? Let's hope rolleyes.gif I think Plotong ady did a great job to promise product life time warranty up to 10 years, especially on the well known Powahwindoe Rosak Oh Tidak Oh No issues rclxms.gif

Multiair intake looks like this
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GaGa's IAFM looks like this
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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 19 2012, 11:03 PM)
Eii...dun take my word for it. I only imagine it like BIOS settings on computer motherboards that are maintained by a battery  sweat.gif

On the other hand, I don't think it's necessary to reset ECU after mod, as the ECU will adapt to the new conditions over a period of time  hmm.gif
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Clear memory means the engine recent detection. Temporary record such as recent top speed, recent top RPM, recent radiator core temperature. However, it does not clear fault code and certain part of the driving experience storage(unknown). The rest of the ECU are programmed inside EEPROM(Electronic Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory). Resetting by fuse/cut power are not going to erase this part of the memory. It need an electronic command to rewrite/remove/erase/program every single byte. There's a small part of the ECU contain a fail safe module, which is a FLASH memory. It is another form of EEPROM, but it can't be partially modify, and needed a password to read/format/write. I believe this part of the FLASH stores the whole brain, and it's the fail safe/backup memory as and when there's error/damage to the ECU. I have not able to access the FLASH, but accidentally flashed my EEPROM by restored the whole factory setup from the FLASH memory blush.gif That is as far I can tell how it works. Any other thing, PASSWORD required, which I do not have yawn.gif

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post Nov 20 2012, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Nov 20 2012, 12:13 AM)
David, memory fuse is the red colour one. The other is fuse puller.
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ah thanks! regardless lar, will never do any reset to my ECU anymore. It's just too horrible after the last experience ECU kena restore factory settings. whole car sluggish like mad shakehead.gif
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post Nov 20 2012, 07:45 AM

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QUOTE(budak nakal @ Nov 20 2012, 04:51 AM)
Hi Guys,

I want to ask sumting.

Is our Canister purge valve or IAFM module can self recover from the famous Tak Tak Tak sound/problem?

Because sumting is weird regarding my car as previously I have mention that the "Tak Tak Tak" sound can be hear loudly even inside the cabin. At that time, my father was driving it and he not familiar with campro engine and low torque so always rev higher eg: more than 3k rpm then only change gear especially for first 3 gear compare to my style which is after 2k rpm already change gear and drive slowly for first 3 gear.

When I drive back the car, the sound still can be hear but after left it overnight and drive it today, the sound already disappeared.

Did anyone encountered the same situation as me before?

Right now dunno whether want to proceed with booking time at CoE or not to have a check.

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Please help yourself. Nobody can help you without listening to your engine how it sounded like. If it goes away, it should be the tepet sound. If it's the purge valve, it will be loud until you beh tahan geh sleep.gif Refer below for further detail.

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Nov 12 2012, 07:27 AM)
From what I'm looking at, your car does not have an external fuel regulator at the fuel rail, it's an FLX. It is IAFM+, not IAFM. According to some senior member, IAFM+ were made stronger compare to old IAFM module that always picah doh.gif

IAFM rosak render the sound "tub tub tub tub tub" from the right side of the intake manifold, where the PURGE VALVE located.


The same car as above, after repaired the rosaked IAFM, only rendered the similar tepet sound like minor "tak tak tak tak tak" sound on the rocker cover.


A more effective way you can identify is:
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1) If can hear loud tak tak tak tak tak sound, at this point means the exhaust valve lifter bising, go claim warranty
2) If can hear loud tak tak tak tak tak sound, at this point means the intake valve lifter bising, go claim warranty
3) If can hear loud tub tub tub tub tub sound, at this point means the purge valve sudah koyak, go claim warranty

However, for 1 & 2 is insignificant. Replace or not replace does not really helps to eliminate the noise, its just the way how hydraulic valve lifter works. When enough lubricants, no noise. When not enough lubricant, especially cold start, aircon compressor kicks in, these are the time most car will have loud valve lifter noise. If you think your car is loud, try those Honda B16/B18 series engine, also not forget Plotong Pugra & Wigra 1.8 with 4G93 engine, their valve lifter is much louder than most yellow black diesel taxi. doh.gif

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Added on November 12, 2012, 9:42 amP/s: if you use the screwdriver method to troubleshoot, make sure you have not wear any extra accessories such as necklace, necktie, long sleeve. If you're long hair, make sure you tie it up properly. The method itself is safe to use, but those extra accessories become life threatening if screwed up. Besides, you probably don't wanto dirty yourself with those things hanging around touches your engine bay. nod.gif be safe
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post Nov 20 2012, 10:06 PM

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Guys, I was never a bling-bling person. Eversince last Monday TT, I started to pay more attention to my blardy voltmeter. Now I realized how bad low voltage can affect engine PERFORMANCE sleep.gif Soon my car is going to flood with LED instead of normal yellow bulbs brows.gif

Meanwile, I have a series of quick question. For example, if I have Miacabia H4 90/100W and Philips H4 90/100W each a pair. Model/year unknown, which 1 do you think more expansive or reliable? Which would you recommend me to pickup? I only get to choose 1 of them for FREE.

Thanks in advance.
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post Nov 20 2012, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Nov 20 2012, 08:37 PM)
haha..thanks for your information is necessary reset after a modification?
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Not needed afaik yawn.gif
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post Nov 20 2012, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(budak nakal @ Nov 20 2012, 11:39 PM)
Hi,

Please refer to the video below as the sound coming back but not as loud as the previous time I mention here.



P/S: sorry for loud sound during the fan running, but after that can hear the sound of Tak Tak Tak. Dunno its correct or not.
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Dude,

I couldn't differentiate whether its tepet sound, cause your phone/camera hold too near to the rocker cover. However, if the tak tak tak sound came from
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then its confirmed the purge valve liao sad.gif
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post Nov 20 2012, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(kokhing520 @ Nov 20 2012, 11:46 PM)
i thought the tak tak tak sound is normal for saga??  rclxub.gif

anyway..
my car semakin makan minyak lagi... doh.gif
rm50 270km.... cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif

why~~
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seriously, when will you be free in the evening? you really need to take me for a spin.
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post Nov 21 2012, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Nov 20 2012, 11:58 PM)
need to bring to unker david inspection to confirm tongue.gif
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Take a look at Pak Z1's car fuelly
and the rapers truck fuel log
as well as Leona Chin fan club president's fair lady

RM50 = 26.315litre petrol

Pak zeone's fuel consumption will be 26.315litre x 9.5km = 249.9km/tank
Leona Chin official fan club president's ride will be 26.315litre x 9.7km = 255.2km/tank
rapers dead body truck will be 26.315litre x 9.1km = 239.4km/tank

Averagely, the above 3 candidate's average is 248.2km/tank. I'd like find out what mod kokhing did to make his car FC range between these 3 cars. rolleyes.gif These are auto cars. If manual also like this, its haily possible the driver drive exactly like my wife laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Nov 21 2012, 08:53 AM)
his fc is better than all the fuelly stats u mentioned...mayb he expect to travel more...
btw how ur wife drive? vry vry slow? or drive vry vry fast but still duno she is driving fast?
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From house to kedai runcit 800m
From kedai runcit to kindergarten 2km
From kindergarten to Tesco 1.5km
From Tesco go mom in law house 1.5km
From mom in law house go kindergarten 3km
From kindergarten go home 3km
From home to music school 800m-send
From music school to home 800m
From home to music school 800m
From music school to home 800m-fetch

Per day usage around 15km, the rest of the petrol goes when enjoying aircon in the car. Shifting/pedal work also questionable, most of the time heard my vacuum gauge screaming when indicator hit RICH yawn.gif ady got used to it liao la. Weekend I drive the car, so actually tone back the high FC. If only my wife driving the whole tank,she can do up to 7km/litre. Whereas my driving can easily touch 13km/l. In the end my fuelly averaged around 10-11km/litre lo yawn.gif
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post Nov 21 2012, 12:18 PM

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Insurance is a service sleep.gif

So, the only consideration u take is always similar to below questions:

What kinda extra coverage they give for free?
Is tow truck service included for free?
How many KM free?
How fast turn around time?
What's the claim experience?Hard?Easy?Fast?Slow?

Finally, does your insurance agent explain your rights as a policy holder/owner? As a modern consumer, u shd atleast find out from your agent what can/kenot be claim. Don't be like some aunty crash jor the car still dunno which insurance company u insured sleep.gif

P/s: I'm not agent. I don't sell insurance!
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This is rather interesting, a few comments from magician.

1) Do you know those in-cabin voltage stabilizer bring absolutely no effect to your battery? Its pretty, can pretend like turbo timer, other than that the major function is to store small capacity to prevent power surge IN cabin accessories. Such as radio, cabin lights, dashboard meter. So, even if u have a huge VS in your engine bay, you still need a small VS to supply your head unit.

2) Do you know the whole car's grounding work are connected by the chassis frame work? Therefore when you step on your brakes, your brake lamp took electric from batter, and the negative back flow will have to go through your entire boot section, pass back to chassis frame/roof, go through your firewall, entire hood then finally channel it back to your battery. Nobody able to justify how much power loss in between!

3) Do you know simply putting ground cable everywhere can improve the grounding work? I supposed you know, but the extra ground cable only send CERTAIN amount back to battery -ve pole. The rest of the discharge still have to go through huge obstacle(chassis frame) before going back to battery. Theoretically, if your car's ground work is already optimal, by adding extra ground cable can mean create more obstacle for the ground flow. Its similar to when u driving in federal haiway with a band of GaGa kaki convoy, some choose Jln Universiti exit(assume this is the chassis grounding), some choose Sec 11(extra grounding) route, some get out from Hilton(another ground cable), then a small group diverted from Sec 14 get out from Sec 17(from radiator tank pull 1 ground cable to engine rocker cover). As a result, those reach earlier in SS2 will have to wait for other smart asses for a wonderful TT.

Therefore, unless chassis grounding insufficient(traffic jam in Jln Universiti), by putting extra grounding might cost negative effect.

Info source: H&K Accessories, Dengkil, Sepang



P/s: The above input is based on magician's personal opinion, and may not represending the whole truth. I just find it interesting and wish to confirm with our electrical/electronic engineers in the forum. Cheers.
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Whoah! So many GaGa + Gabby owner here geh laugh.gif I think hor, either this happened:

1) Bought Gabby and found it gooding, later BLM was introduced, faster go buy and found out kena tipu bought BLM mad.gif

2) Bought BLM and found it gooding. Later when decided to buy a 2nd car, automatically Gabby become target coz cheap & cheerful. After owned Gabby then found out kena tipu bought BLM doh.gif

My case was the 2nd scenario shakehead.gif
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I was never a fan of BhP, but running out of petrol, so I try my colleagues strategy 20litres. The smell is so different!!! As I drive, placebo effect taken place, smooth sail!!!!! So, let's see how far it can last. Will try other petrol from now on to see confusing fuel can result in better FC laugh.gif

Will read coolkwc attachment when reach home smile.gif ranjiao fon can't read pdf doh.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Nov 21 2012, 05:41 PM)
3. Refer to attachment. Sorry for those guys who can't understand, i write this dedicated to YAB as i deeply felt he got engineering head. rclxms.gif

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I get what you mean. So, the cable resistance is more important. And I believe magician does not trust those RM5/set grounding kit lar.

I get the star topology thing when I study networking. And the ring topology/bus can cause catastrophic ground loss if something in a way laugh.gif thanks for taking time to do the drawing wub.gif

I probably will not put erictioh into the cabin and try the cabin light la. Those LEDs already burnt a few, its blinking like mad now doh.gif
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QUOTE(li_5997 @ Nov 21 2012, 07:56 PM)
SAD MAN SAD!!!!

Last Sunday Car kena kiss ass... Now my car butt gone.. T.T
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Pictar please sad.gif What insurance company?
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post Nov 21 2012, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Oct 29 2012, 11:55 PM)
This is typical electronic problem. Plug in the key, step on the brake(do not release until the car starts), turn key to ACC(2 tick from OFF, 1 tick before kick start) wait for few seconds, move gear lever from P to D, from D back to P, then crank start. Few of my company FL got this problem when reverse parking forgot to put back P then off engine whistling.gif

When engine got cranking sound, meaning NOT starter problem. Its probably fuel cut off. I try to imitate the sound, you see whether you hear what I hear:

Wuekekeke vroom = start normally
Wuekekekekekekekekeke = no fuel supply
Wuekekekekekekekkekek.... kekeke(faster).... kekekekek(slower) = petrol over flow
Weeeeeeeeeeeeee = Timing belt putus(engine already gone, so as your wallet)
Tik tak tik tak = Starter relay sound, normally starter KO
Wuek... Bin Bin Bin Bin(car horn alarm) = Bateri weak
...............................(no sound no light no nothing) = Bateri kong, you probably left the headlamp on overnight

You can even start a car without engine oil rolleyes.gif Keep cranking lar tomorrow, good things will happen. Try not to step on the gas pedal yo. Remember to fiddle with the gear lever. Or you can wait until Plotong iDunCare cum and do the same thing for you geh. As long not timing belt putus, you're safe to crank until the bateri drain whistling.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Nov 21 2012, 09:11 PM)
Yes la, really sad now, adi late now, luckily tmr is Johor Sultan birthday so offday. sad.gif


Added on November 21, 2012, 9:12 pm

I dun know, but starter so fragile one huh? cry.gif

Do u know how much the cost for starter? I have to prepare for worst... sad.gif
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hmm.gif If crank slow meaning no petrol wor. Can you twist your key and pay more attention to your fuel pump "TEEEE" sound when turn on ACC? hmm.gif

Few of the things I suspect:
1) Fuel filter too dirty, someone pee inside your tank
2) Fuel pump jam 9 jor, someone shiete inside your tank
3) Fuel regulator jam 9 jor, dirty air goes inside, jammed your actuator
4) Could be vacuum leak, since you able to start but later died.

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For item 4, Can begin to check with your fuel regulator 1st, see whether vacuum gauge got disconnect or not. This is as far I will check on the car. Otherwise will send to magician liao. Good luck friend smile.gif

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QUOTE(li_5997 @ Nov 21 2012, 09:29 PM)
This is my car pictures.. T.T
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Callman so fast arrive ar? Like superman shakehead.gif Rear compressed jor, need to pull chassis liao. Take a wild guess, you're getting out of junction, you saw got car so you didn't move fast. But the bugger behind also looking at incoming traffic, didn't notice you're slow/stopped and rammed into you with no brake at all.

FYI, you'll also need to notify the accident to Allianz regarding the accident. Send in polis repork, picture like the above without blanco and create a notification letter. Otherwise, next year renew insurance that time NCD hilang than ma lan fan liao doh.gif Sorry I don't work in that company, and my close relative is. At work, we're competitors, so I'll show your case to her and tell her, see your company pay claims again flex.gif

FYI again, you claim the insurance from the car behind does not really mean you claim his insurance. The actual fact is, the salah party will lose the NCD. Both insurance company will also have to pay for their respective client laugh.gif So, let's hope the car behind is not from my company ph34r.gif

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