its not running day light in preve, its position lamp by the way. Normally used bulb, but in preve used led.

on iafm+ cvt, the engine roar coz the cvt is trying to match the engine speed rpm with the ratio, compare to manual where its already fixed. Until it reach the most suitable ratio@the highest, the roar will continue n slowly fade when it match the ratio. Pressing it gradually, make it easy to cvt to match the ratio with the engine speed (rpm) will help. But when need power, then u will hear the roar. But can used stepped auto mode@sat, the roar will reduce, but cvt whining still there. So, golden hawk, if ur sis want lesser roar, used sat then. But if not really good in cntrol the throttle, fc will be effected too. Depend which is suit for ur sis.

on tcu n ecu adaptive programme, it will learn through out ur driving to set the most balance between power n fc. Of course, it can change anytime when u change ur driving style, but that is depend on ur throttle input n etc. But the key word is the balance. All the adaptive pattern is save in the ecu n tcu rom. It wont reset if turn off the key coz it will save it. For ur daily driving alone, the ecu n tcu will recognize ur driving pattern n try to give u the best balance. But if somebody drive ur car n have diff driving pattern, it will be in free mode(without erasing previous data of course@reset),depend on input, load, condition n etc. Unless the other driver drive it for along time, then it will save another set of perimeter to suit the best. Thats why everybody wont get the same fc, even driving on the same route, n the response also diff to diff car n owner. If the owner is an agressive driver, it will suit itself to give the best efficient between power n fc.

Its hard to explain coz if driving manual, only ecu involve, shifting pattern is manual as the owner is the one slotting the gear. But this involve another set of ai which is tcu. While fix auto has fixed gear, not many alteration can be done through adaptive, but cvt is totally diff. Ratio is wide n stepless. It can jump@skip to any ratio depend on drivers need. Its a complex alogarithm.

Yup, u can talk to the malaysian pug technician, but u need to remeber, they only from the slide, they dont involve in the pwrtrain rnd. Not saying they are not good, but for any technician, they dont need some deep info@knowledge coz they r train to do service, repair n update as instructed, not doing the mechanical development or software elements.

There's diff between engineer n technician. Engineer may not capable to service ur car, but they know their specific related field such as software engineer. But tech can service ur car, but they dont know how to do programming.

i think, the best way is to compare microsoft software engineer who develop wondows n those developer who creating another software@games based on windows programming n also those who called computer technician who repair the pc problems like reformatting n etc.
Any comp technician can repair pc problems, but they dont know to do programming. While developer, they do programming, based on windows code supply by original software developer that is microsoft. N the code is create by microsoft engineer.

Same as ecu n tcu. Original source@code is create by conti n punch. Prtn engineer is creating their own database based on conti n punch coding, n to integrate the database, they need to consult with the original provider. N technician, of course, only implementing that has been design.

Everybody has their own work to do. The diff between oem racing development such r3 n other street tuners is that some of the r3 members are engineers, some are technicians.

While the street tuners searching for most out right power coz for them bigger is better, but for oem tuners such r3, the key word is balance with precise calculation using engineering knowledge. The can build engine from scratch, but tuners, just used ready made parts n engine. Mix n match.

The most powerfull car dont win u a race, but the most balance car will.

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Added on November 17, 2012, 7:15 pmone has to reset@erase the tcu n ecu to reflash the new one n of course, previous memory is erase coz it will not suit with new perimeters set. But dont worry, it will learn back.

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Added on November 17, 2012, 7:21 pmand its not the turbo kick is at 1.8k rpm, but the torque is release more compare to the previous one which involve torque reduction. Thats why u feel its more powerfull. At 1.8k rpm, its already generate torque surpass 1.8L car generate at max torque which normally at beyond 4k rpm :-). I already explain the initial strategies why torque reduction is needed in cvt below 1.6krpm oppose to manual. while the manual, even with dbw lag, but the torque no need to supress. U can feel the vast torque generated even at 1.5k rpm. Hopefully drb wont cut the manual for cfe on the hatch project.

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Added on November 17, 2012, 7:43 pmI read a lot of people comparing preve cfe with vios when performance being a debate.

I think to demonstrate performance, it better to compare vios with flx se coz interm of weight, nearly the same n iinm, flx se is heavier by a small margin, but the poweroutput n torque, not much diff if calculate hp pertonne even torque pertonne, n both in auto form, vios conv auto, flx se cvt.

During take off n overtake from 40kmh- 80kmh.

Feed both car throttle at 2k rpm at max. For vios means, every gear shift is at max 2k rpm from 1st gear to 4th gear. While flx se just maintain 2k rpm throttle, n look at the speedo meter at both car(not but-o-meter). The question are, which one is achieving 0-80kmh faster, n which one allow u to overtake comfortably from 40-80kmh where 2k rpm max rules apply? Is it vios will pawn flx se badly or another way around?

Now, change the rules, 4k rpm max. Now drive both car at max 4k rpm, with vios every shift is at 4k rpm, while flx se just rev up to 4k rpm.

During take off n during overtake 40-100kmh.

Will vios pawn flx se badly or miracle things happen when 'rubbish car' will do agaisnt the odd?

This post has been edited by mat79: Nov 17 2012, 07:43 PM

hi all, about the seat, i think they will checked back with the supplier 1st on the furring probs, yup, its water repellant, but not water resistance. N its cheaper than leather wrap, but not as cheap as normal proton fabric seat. But of course, one can opt for higher grade, but hence cost is on another note. U can warp its with leather, just make sure the 3rd party shops know how to handle the side airbags stiching.

On tcu/ecu update, make it more powerful, doesnt make it thirstier, the most important part is to cntrl ur right foot, make it lighter than previous input coz the power is already there.

On rattling part, will check it later. By, hve job to do.

hi all. If u r servicing ur preve, ask for the product improvement check points. Normally all check points only available to certain sc(branch) which provides ecu n tcu update.

Iafm+ version of preve n flx also get ecu/tcu update. But i heard certain sc wont do it unless u ask for it. It supposed to be automatically done when u service ur car.Please report if u encounter that to icare.

About the power windows, prtn already acknowledge that. Its the buldging issue, not the power windows not working issue.

I think the problem lies on the same mould@design on the door side. Since it doesnt happen to other door except driver's side, i think think they r trying their best to rectify that, unless they change the inside door panel which causing the probs. Now what i see is they r trying to change the regulator 1st. If change the inner door panel, it involves another set of test especially side impact crash test coz redesigning inner frame involve crash worthiness. During prototype, they didnt encounter that. Seems the tolerance is big when mass production. I really hope they will continue doing the improvement until solve it. On blm, it doesnt cause the windows problem even it does buldge as reported by owners. 10 years warranty come with cost to prtn, i dont think prtn is happily to make it unsolve for years n keep changing regulators for free untill 10 years. I believe they will fork out permanent solution.

On dash vibration, i think 2 parts diy which u can check.

1stly, when the dash vibrate, try to hold ur rear mirror to see whether its coming out from the mirror coz there is a case metal vibration between the rear mirror with front glass. If that the case, just refit@tighten it within the slot@ u can ask them to do it during ur service if that part is the cause.

2ndly, if the 1st one dont solve the probs, check underneath the steering where the odb connector been securely in place(there is a proper slot for it), in case when they doing any diagnostic@reflash, the techie forgot to put it back properly in the slot. Yup, i really hate that part coz they shud done it properly.

If not solve,so, many things need to check whether dash fittings@aircond panel fitting, n shud be check by them coz if doing it diy, break something, warraty is void.

Sorry cant help much.

about the check points n tcu@ecu update. Dont waste ur time by test ur luck going to sc. Better call the respective sc whether they provide the service@not. If provide, then place ur booking.

Yup, really sorry to hear the windows buldging probs. But they r doing the fixing n will be cntinue until solve coz i believe, prtn dont want to put more cost by entertaining 10 years warranty. Same As for ecu@tcu, it takes times coz need to validate n test. So goes the buldging probs. In my humble opinion,Prtn also worries if the buldging problem can cause safety issue@deteriorate the life of pwrwindows coz they have given 10 years warranty. Do they want to bear the cost for 10 years? i dont think so. Therefore i believe they will work out solution.

Thats my pov coz to bear cost for 10 years, isnt profitable as business entity.

as for mode, its already has normal n sport mode by toggling the gear lever, d for normal, s for sport mode. Maybe in the future, proton can simplify it by using button@swithces, not tooggling with the lever. A switch to control between normal, sport n sat. For the lever, just d mode n manual selection.

:-)

its product improvements. As i mentioned many times, normally branch prtn@eon sc provide the service, so, just search for that, not dealers.

And actually when u service ur car, they shud do it automatically if u r the effected batch, n for defect, they do send out mail@call the owner for the matter such as vvt sprocket previously, n if u didnt get the news, when u send in for service, they will do it automatically for u.

Improvement such tcu@ecu update, isnt defect. It just happen coz vastly complain on sluggishness, not safety issue@defect. The same things happen to any auto manufacturer. All depend on severity of the issue. If safety issue, they will do it in mass communication. Like what happened to all auto nowadays, recalling is because safety issue, which can harm users.

as been mentioned in previous post, depend on severity of the cases@defect, if it involve safety issue, of course any manufacturer will do a public recall, so, depend on severity. What issue is being raise. The real question i think supposed to be whether they response@take action.

Like other said when 'others' do rectification years after being launch as being responsible@better late than never. Well, that what they said, for me,it just normal practice.

Atleast they r trying to kikis tak per attitude. Well,its not perfect yet, but gettin better i think.

cant sleep, so decide to browse doing some reading b4 sleeping. So many interesting things happened in others' thread which not related to prtn of course.

It seems that others have some nigling problems which namely minor by them, n it keep me smiling on how civilize they r on probs n never ever heard they mentioned it in any open topic on rattling, sluggishness, gluk2 sound etc etc even oil leak. It seems that they really accept it with open heart even some are unresolved. Some even mentioning that some hi tech car n award winning car dont have auto lock function to comply with ncap n it is standard across all modern cars (i wonder why preve n exora has autolock function :-), n does it means preve n exora not comply with ncap? :-), actually unless u have auto unlock function during collision(which embended in bcm in exora n preve) which comply with unece, then u can have auto lock) n even some happily mentioned how stupid prtn put passenger airbags off switch at centre console while his new ride really smart dont have that button (which actually indicator, not button in preve complying with unece regulation).

Many need to diff between ncap n applus+ idiada.
Why prtn send car for testing in idiada, not euroncap@ancap@ncap? Well, ncap dont provide crash testing facility@proving ground, they r only bodies that promote safety awareness n dont do much testing actually. So why idiada? No euroncap, so not good, how to sell product in europe? Euroncap crash test is based on unece rules which created by ece,not euroncap (4 aspects of crash test, but not setting the rules@set design safety standard@what soever)ece is nearly similar with fmvss created by nhtsa.

Why applus idiada then? Not only its a proving ground for hnt n tech services, Idiada issues official cert according to ec directives n ece rules(so,if want to be eligible to sell car in europe,u need this cert).

Idiada not only OFFICIALLY accredited for europe standards@unece, but also for TRIAS standard(japan), ADR standard (australia), GS-SASO standard (gulf countries). So,idiada also issue cert for those who seek to sell their cars in japan, australia n gulf countries besides europe.

For america, nhtsa on fmvss rules its nearly same as other standards mentioned above. All the rules covers crashtest, design, materials, emmision, safety, electronics part n intergration n many more.

So, what is ncap then? Just google :-).

Now u see how easier sales person if want to con consumer, especially by using ncap names.

With so many rules of design, materials, electronics, emmision, crashworthiness(as i mentioned more than 15 crashtest need to be done to comply to all the rules) n etc. Maybe :-), one way to get high marks in ncap, just focus on the 3@4 sets of crash test, n just comply with minimum requirements with others.

Dunno about others, but for prtn, targets for all sets of crash test is atleast 30% more than minimum requirements, some parts are exceed 30% more than standards which starting with savvy onwards. N its really hard to do that with all the rules need to comply and limited cash to spend to crash the prototypes.

By the way, im not saying this to u guys, just my empty rant, just wondering those malaysians who really forgiveful towards other brands, just keep silent n etc.

Same as dct slugishness, only those who own it dare admit that dct is sluggish at low speed, n do complain, but others just accept it with full heart, not only that, never seen that slugishness as weakness, but strength. But when prtn equip clutch cvt behave the same, it become safety issues...herm, but luckily clutch cvt is flexible, so, still can be improve, even within 1 year, but dct already been long enough, but the character still persist.

Sorry n sorry again ranting on unrelated topic in this thread. Gdnite.

yup,just hated when people call it milo tin. Bcoz of these rules, ece, gssaso, trias,adr n fmvss, some cars eligible to be sold in certain countries, but not in others such saga, can be sold in japan, us, gulf n australia(and of course other countries that is non europe that not having any form of rules on safety) but not europe region coz some of the homogolation doesnt conform with ece directive n thatcham requirements.

Some eligible for all likes waja, persona, gen2, satria neo, savvy, exora n preve. Thats why u can see those cars mentioned available in europe, gulf countries, australia n even neo in japan.

Frankly,only saga dont homologate 100% according to ece regulation, so that not entitle to be sold in europe, but its compliance with trias, adr n gssaso standards, thats why it is sold in the countries mentioned. What is homogolation? Erm, simple thing to show is aircond knob between savvy n saga. Even saga not eligible to europe, but savvy is. N if u check the price between these 2 knobs, u will be shock on price diff, where savvy ac knob is far pricier than saga. N when u operate the knob, side by side, even u can feel the diff in tactility. That is according to ece regulation interm of design, material n safety. To produce saga folowing ece regulation can cost higher. Thats why even savvy is pricier than saga.

Thats why in asean region, many cars are actually not comply with ece regulation, so can reduce cost n getting a bit more profit. Thats why some other manufacturers have europe version of car, from the same variant n segment. Such hyundai elantra, for us, australia, asean, elantra md is eligible, but to europe, not, they need i30. Same as kia cerato@forte, the europe homogolation is for kia ceed, like vios n yaris, jazz n city n etc.

So, interm of homogolation n testing (not car comparison), saga has the same hnt as elantra, forte, city, vios n etc.

So, is it global enough even when some not meeting europe homogolation? What is a global car?

some may comply with ece rules, but not comply with gs saso rules(gcc)@vice versa.

when there is statement by tun previously when saga need to change part to follow homogolation rules,so,it will make saga cost higher.

Many people voice out saga isnt safe, prtn dont make safe car for rakyat, etc2, kebenaran terbongkarlah, kereta proton tak selamatlah n mcm2, thats why now they dont want to release facts on engineering which people not really understand.

So,if previously people questions saga dont comply with europe homogolation, so, meaning not safe, so how about the cars mentioned above also not meeting ece homogolation@rules? So, isnt that they also unsafe?

What happened between jazz vs accord in nhtsa in youtube is what we called incompatibility problems. Thats why for frontal, to conform with all standards mentioned it comprices atleast 5 sets of different frontal crash test. N its pretty hard to get everything in balance.

sorry for irrelevant post. Just want to share n give out ideas to prtn owners what is inside their cars n how their cars are develop. Bye

tqvm for the support. Pretty hard to change malaysian perception heh...like when saga blm@even current flx doesnt have autolock function, many cursing as prtn want to cut costlah, how much for thatlah kedekut punya prtn, viva pun adalah, apalah prtn n etc.

But when buying 100k++ so call global car dont have autolock function. Xper maa, its ncap requirement :-), no need autolock, dangerous ...and when one local manufacturer which principle is foreign co omit the autolock function, as usual, now jpj safety rules coz to comply, as usual, ncap :-)....nobody comply with ncap, but comply with the safety standards as mentioned b4. But just comply on certain safety equipments needed (not safety standards) that can gain more stars than previous test.

Even though i nearly lost my touch with prtn, but sharing the info with prtn owners are really needed n i think its part of my responsibility. Atleast the buyer know what they r paying for, what they get n the price being paid, is it worth it or not, why some parts are expensive n some not n etc.

Part produced based on conforming all homogolation really pricey, thats why many conti's parts are pricier, not only becoz import tax coz being cbu, but due to its cost. Know u know why :-)

But then the probs is when the price of part is expensive, but not really conform with these 4 main standards on safety.

this is the official n has been the only official prtn edar fb. The other one is not prtn owned fb.

hi all, i dunno how hard is ur clutch pedal, whether its hard than standard getrag@not standard. But not the same as wira@waja coz wira n waja used japs@mitsu tranny, same as the clutch set, which is normally lighter than conti made tranny.

For prtn, if u drive savvy which used conti made tranny manual, then u will know the clutch is hard, no adjustment, it just the conti tranny is hard. Urs is getrag sourced which is german's sourced co, so the hardness is there.

With such weight, iafm+ sourced preve of course not as powerful as b segment car, but if u have a chance to drive previous gen civic fd 1.6(which not available here, but available in singapore), its more or less the same.

Just rev around 2.5krpm for normal drivng before slotting each gear, n rev around 3k rpm each gear for a bit better acceleration needed, n for spirited driving, need to rev atleast around 4k rpm each gear bcoz that is the peak torque.

If want to overtake really fast, drop to the next gear until the rev touch 4k rpm, example, on fifth, the rpm is 3k rpm, drop to forth, the rev jump to 3.5k, then drop to 3rd until it touch 4k rpm, then pedal until 5.5k rpm atleast b4 slotting the next gear. Used this method if only u need to access all the torque n hp available. For normal drive, not advisable coz fc will be affected

it isnt about confidence, its about cost. Rarely any auto manufacturer provide all variant for test drive, normally the highest trim. only 1 car allocated for test drive for every dealer, not count the numbers of showroom car. If u go for other makes, its the same. But at coe, iinm, u can ask for it.

Previously, not all showroom provide test drive unit, but for preve, all have it.

fmhl = follow me home light :-).