Proton Prevé V16, I'm proven. Et vous?
Proton Prevé V16, I'm proven. Et vous?
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Nov 12 2012, 11:48 AM
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Nov 17 2012, 01:27 PM
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QUOTE(arthur88 @ Nov 16 2012, 07:22 AM) assume its because the new tcu is still learning ur driving style gua... Bro Arthur, regarding the software learning our driving style, I'm quite confused about this. but mine (with firestorm), the pickup and rpm stable only... never drive without firestorm for long period except 30-40 minutes after applying new tcu/ecu last friday... i did try top speed on tuesday, nothing to do that night, then got one of my fren ajak me go lepak2, then i ajak him go try top speed from juru toll to taiping utara... 0-160 no problem at all...seems like it only takes 10-15 seconds to reach 160....but to reach 200 from 185, abit hard, some more traffic...but i manage to get 190 though... Added on November 16, 2012, 7:23 am what is ur current fc? Logically and theoretically, TCU learning driving style should happen in minutes, but not take days or weeks. I say this because if a family car that shares between family members, some of them drive gently, some heavy foot, so which style the software should adapt to? From what my friend who was a Peugeot salesman told me last time (knowledge from their training), the system adapt to the driver's driving style and decide when to shift gear (or shift ratio in CVT), this happened within minutes we start driving the car. Whenever we stop the engine, removed the key, the software will revert back to normal (default) setting on the next engine start. This sound more logical to me, what is the point if the car took so long (days or weeks) to learn a driver's driving style? Adapting individual style for optimal shift pattern should be better than took days or weeks to sum up all the drivers' style and give average shift pattern right? QUOTE(arthur88 @ Nov 16 2012, 11:16 AM) ady did diy soundproof...for now my family only complains about noise from tyre, the fender there....for cabin noise, they can sleep soundly if i drive slow and on flat road... I am ok with the engine and CVT sound, maybe I seldom do rush-driving. My main complain about "noise" is the tyre noise, extremely annoying. Not sure if the original tyres too noisy or and sound proof not so good? |
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Nov 18 2012, 12:56 AM
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 17 2012, 06:59 PM) on tcu n ecu adaptive programme, it will learn through out ur driving to set the most balance between power n fc. Of course, it can change anytime when u change ur driving style, but that is depend on ur throttle input n etc. But the key word is the balance. All the adaptive pattern is save in the ecu n tcu rom. It wont reset if turn off the key coz it will save it. For ur daily driving alone, the ecu n tcu will recognize ur driving pattern n try to give u the best balance. But if somebody drive ur car n have diff driving pattern, it will be in free mode(without erasing previous data of course@reset),depend on input, load, condition n etc. Unless the other driver drive it for along time, then it will save another set of perimeter to suit the best. Thats why everybody wont get the same fc, even driving on the same route, n the response also diff to diff car n owner. If the owner is an agressive driver, it will suit itself to give the best efficient between power n fc. Its hard to explain coz if driving manual, only ecu involve, shifting pattern is manual as the owner is the one slotting the gear. But this involve another set of ai which is tcu. While fix auto has fixed gear, not many alteration can be done through adaptive, but cvt is totally diff. Ratio is wide n stepless. It can jump@skip to any ratio depend on drivers need. Its a complex alogarithm. Yup, u can talk to the malaysian pug technician, but u need to remeber, they only from the slide, they dont involve in the pwrtrain rnd. Not saying they are not good, but for any technician, they dont need some deep info@knowledge coz they r train to do service, repair n update as instructed, not doing the mechanical development or software elements. There's diff between engineer n technician. Engineer may not capable to service ur car, but they know their specific related field such as software engineer. But tech can service ur car, but they dont know how to do programming. Nope, I'm not talking to Peugeot technician, even worse, it's a salesman that told me this. If you said some technician / engineer don't know something not on their field, I believe a salesman even know the least. It's just without knowledge in all these, I just find his story make more sense... until you told us all the detail, now I know it can actually work quite intelligently. QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 17 2012, 07:13 PM) i think, the best way is to compare microsoft software engineer who develop wondows n those developer who creating another software@games based on windows programming n also those who called computer technician who repair the pc problems like reformatting n etc. Any comp technician can repair pc problems, but they dont know to do programming. While developer, they do programming, based on windows code supply by original software developer that is microsoft. N the code is create by microsoft engineer. Same as ecu n tcu. Original source@code is create by conti n punch. Prtn engineer is creating their own database based on conti n punch coding, n to integrate the database, they need to consult with the original provider. N technician, of course, only implementing that has been design. Everybody has their own work to do. The diff between oem racing development such r3 n other street tuners is that some of the r3 members are engineers, some are technicians. While the street tuners searching for most out right power coz for them bigger is better, but for oem tuners such r3, the key word is balance with precise calculation using engineering knowledge. The can build engine from scratch, but tuners, just used ready made parts n engine. Mix n match. The most powerfull car dont win u a race, but the most balance car will. |
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Nov 19 2012, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(arthur88 @ Nov 19 2012, 04:44 PM) i think it would be good if the SID lights and other red lights in cabin change to blue... Red lights more Audi feel mar.... hehehe.....! Actually I like it more than my previous Persona's orange lights, haha....at night, my eyes quite blurred when seeing the SID and other red lights... |
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Nov 20 2012, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 20 2012, 06:49 PM) When a Preve overtake his Almera or Vios when naik genting, he will really say "NOOoooooooooo!!!" to Preve. QUOTE(wongth7 @ Nov 20 2012, 07:17 PM) 3. headlamp settings??..what is that?? I heard many people got their power-window actuator replaced, wonder why COSE simply repair it?Added on November 20, 2012, 7:21 pm the power window "glu glu" sound cannot be solved by just applying grease or watever crap..they need to disemble the whole door panel and adjust something or change something...i manage to solved mine in cose last week..saw them taking off the whole door panel..now working like charm..last time asked around in forum and the only answer i got is apply silicone spray..which is bullshit.. Can anyone tell what is the actual problem on the power window that Porton need to recall this item? Also "gluk gluk" sound? |
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Nov 21 2012, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(Saya_Dhuang @ Nov 21 2012, 01:38 PM) Thanks bro mat79 for ever informative update. Will be waiting for your insight for the rattling dashboard though i dont have it. Brother Dhuang, you drive so fast, not afraid of saman? Me never complaint as well. Just really afraid it will cap the top speed as sometime i do travel from KL to Terengganu.. QUOTE(Saya_Dhuang @ Nov 21 2012, 01:49 PM) Have any link to English explanation for this product? Sorry~ EDIT: Opps! Found it, thanks anyway! Added on November 21, 2012, 2:09 pm QUOTE(gkl83 @ Nov 21 2012, 02:04 PM) what means side airbag stitching? Side air bags are inside the front seat, shoulder area. thought the side air bag from the seat belt height adjuster of the pillar? This post has been edited by G K Lai: Nov 21 2012, 02:11 PM |
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Nov 21 2012, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 21 2012, 02:13 PM) My FC with Fiesta almost 10l/100km, so you can imagine how I drive. 2 Vaders here welcoming you to the dark side... Jedi suxxx, Siths are cooler, they get to be douchebags QUOTE(Saya_Dhuang @ Nov 21 2012, 02:16 PM) Like bro GK Lai said, the side airbag is on ur seat. YES, i spelled it correctly. SEAT. hehehe QUOTE Tested 2 times already. Max speed whenever I can and slowed down to speed limit whenever HU said there's a camera/speed trap ahead. So far thank God it works for me. Hehehe OIC, because I seldom on highway so not sure if the alert are accurate, that's why I always stick to 110km/h... Yup! With that amount of money, we can do a lot of things. Of course afraid of summons. Better i spend my money RM300 or RM150 on buying new external than giving it to them.. hehe |
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Nov 21 2012, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(Saya_Dhuang @ Nov 21 2012, 02:26 PM) Let me count it a bit.. U, Jerie, are the lord of siths. Me, Joke Lord only.. (Referring to my avatar..) Yes I can understand, your travel journey is quite long, I also drive fast occasional, just a few second, I know this is potong stim, but don't have that much money to pay summons ler... Unfortunately bro, with this preve a 4 hours journey felt so looooooooong with that 110 km/h... I'm easily tempted with speed unfortunately.. If ppl with Audio peculiarity is called Audiophile, can I be called Speedophile? Yup, external hardisk, power bank, jawbone, bla bla bla... My friend who used to drive from Penang to JB, most of the time driving at 140-160km/h, he said with the implement of AES, it going to take 10 hours to reach JB, better book cheap air ticket. Regarding Preve, actually my seat also berbulu here and there, and the spring inside the seat also making noise, this I have to agreed the seat in our Preve are quite low in quality. I wonder if anyone experience rain water drip inside while driving on heavy rain? Went to SC to fix this twice already, but the leak still there, they need how many complains only willing to maybe replace the door frame rubber (I can clearly see it out of shape)? QUOTE(gkl83 @ Nov 21 2012, 02:41 PM) side air bag inside the front seat? The shop who do this should know how to deal with it.doubt can do the wrapping as the fabric must fragile enough to break... I saw someone done that (leather seat) on the Internet, but can't remember where, sorry! |
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Nov 21 2012, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(Saya_Dhuang @ Nov 21 2012, 03:31 PM) Include me as well bro. Me oso got no extra money actually.. Hehehe.. This Sungai Pinang Proton SC very stingy one... then also want to charge more (compressor oil etc...).Spring inside the seat? If the door frame rubber is like what u said (that it's not properly installed) it's a no brainer thing to have it change.. Damn, thought only CoSE sucks..Now in Penang oso.. That's why I like to go to authorized dealer to do service, I know them well and they make claim very easily, even I didn't complain anything, they inform me this cannot use already, he order for me straight. But due to this ECU update things (they can't do), have to stick to Proton. QUOTE(edwinkbs @ Nov 21 2012, 03:36 PM) Sure, will go there for on my next service, haha.... QUOTE(edwinkbs @ Nov 21 2012, 03:49 PM) But the motor more powerful than before. The window winds up quickly and faster. This is what I felt. For mine, the rear windows belly powderful since day one, but both front very slow, like motor not enough torque. QUOTE(stargate8 @ Nov 21 2012, 04:01 PM) door frame rubber is called weatherstrip... so far mine ok, no rainwater leak. OIC, I think I will take photo and post it here where the water goes in from a gap.however, the run channel rubber or watever they called it, poor workmanship and c pillar noise from the small windows, need to re-seal again, poor workmanship...sigh QUOTE(maverickng @ Nov 21 2012, 04:12 PM) when i start get my car headlamp also got dimming abit..less that 1 sec dimming...due to compressor kick in...complaint sc they say normal Hey! Me too, seems never had it already. but now after 6 month i drive,the dimming macam sudah takde...and i no install any VS or grounding Added on November 21, 2012, 5:04 pm QUOTE(Saya_Dhuang @ Nov 21 2012, 04:58 PM) This post has been edited by G K Lai: Nov 21 2012, 05:04 PM |
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Nov 23 2012, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 23 2012, 09:20 AM) On dash vibration, i think 2 parts diy which u can check. Hi bro mat79, many thanks for your useful info, please don't say that, you already help a lot! 1stly, when the dash vibrate, try to hold ur rear mirror to see whether its coming out from the mirror coz there is a case metal vibration between the rear mirror with front glass. If that the case, just refit@tighten it within the slot@ u can ask them to do it during ur service if that part is the cause. 2ndly, if the 1st one dont solve the probs, check underneath the steering where the odb connector been securely in place(there is a proper slot for it), in case when they doing any diagnostic@reflash, the techie forgot to put it back properly in the slot. Yup, i really hate that part coz they shud done it properly. If not solve,so, many things need to check whether dash fittings@aircond panel fitting, n shud be check by them coz if doing it diy, break something, warraty is void. Sorry cant help much. Regarding dashboard vibration sound during hard acceleration, me too try to share my finding as well. I did observe something maybe only happen in *my car* that if I wind down front passenger (front-left) window, the vibrating sound gone. I guess the severe vibration caused the window glass to vibrate as well, thus, making the noise. I never really find ways trying to fix it yet as this issue not really bothering me much. For power windows, I do not have problem, don't know why it make others so unhappy with? I even don't know what they trying to fix when I heard bro Arthur mentioned the recall for power windows. Opps! Almost forgot..... good morning all! |
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Nov 23 2012, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(wewanwang @ Nov 23 2012, 11:10 AM) If this can be realized, I would request to map the function to [Mode] button on our steering wheel. QUOTE(arthur88 @ Nov 23 2012, 11:14 AM) i also got info about this from bro allen.... If I remember correctly, all Proton from 198x Saga to current model have this "gluk gluk" sound right? cause really dun like the windows will "pregnant" will roll up... at first, i dun mind about that at all...however, after more and more time spent in my car, i starting to irritate by the "pregnant" power windows...some more the "gluk" x3 sound very loud during extreme hot weather, which occurs everyday to me... btw, my Knight Rider LED gonna reborn in few hours...with not just red light, got red, white, blue, green, yellow....hahahahaha... I also owned a Kia Spectra before, and that also have this "gluk gluk" sound actually. Anyway, I never see it as problem, maybe the design or quality (clearance tolerance) wasn't good enough? QUOTE(arthur88 @ Nov 23 2012, 03:13 PM) Knight Rider LED Wow! You DIY this LED yourself?havent configure the lights and speed yet...but very confusing to set it...need to play around more... at last few seconds there, there is a pattern where it automatically changes lights color... QUOTE(fysim @ Nov 23 2012, 04:18 PM) How to know if my phone number had been registered to Proton? I never received any SMS from them, only service centre remind me to go to service my car. Added on November 23, 2012, 4:45 pm QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 23 2012, 04:35 PM) Cant wait to upgrade ECU/TCU when i go back onshore! Does EON SC work on Sunday? And do i need to take off the Voltage Stabilizer as well as Firestorm when i send for update? DO they open the boot to check the fuse and reset anything thru fuse? Hi ben3003, i if I were you, I would take out all these things before go to SC. This post has been edited by G K Lai: Nov 23 2012, 04:45 PM |
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Nov 24 2012, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 24 2012, 04:30 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Don't know if I should say this is the "impression" that the old Proton's image being carried on till today? Especially those who never really own a Proton. I personally being impressed by improvement Proton did when I look at the Persona, booked the car on the spot. One more thing I can feel is, I can see there are quite a lot of "first car owner" who bought the Preve, I personally don't see this a good thing... I start driving 20+ years ago (not revealing my age If really want me to complain, then I would say, the service centre. The uninformed staffs, the "don't care" attitude etc... that really could pissed off customers that trying to give Proton a chance to show it's improvements. QUOTE(sp3d2 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:17 AM) hey. im scared to update the ecu. im afraid it will bring down the top speed. low end might get powerful but top end will loose. what about mid end where we usually deal with? is it good or the car heavier to move in mid end? By mid end do you mean from 50km/h to 110km/h? The power is there waiting to be unleashed. Never tried those 150km/h to 200km/h though... anyone already flash can confirm? |
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Nov 25 2012, 02:43 AM
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QUOTE(arthur88 @ Nov 24 2012, 06:00 PM) Don't say it! QUOTE(redflame @ Nov 24 2012, 06:51 PM) There's nothing irrelevant about your post there, bro mat79. Bro mat79 give us those info, and we do our part to spread this info to our friends and relatives. People should know what is actually going on about this compatibility and homogolation stuff... They should be educated and stop looking at Proton as just cutting cost or whatever for no apparent reason... Other manufacturer are doing it to and they are blinded because of the brand names...it's ok for others to do it, but a big issue when Proton does it too... They should be educated that it's not the end of the world if certain criteria or rules are imposed for different countries/region on how the cars are supposed to be set-up for their condition or driving needs... QUOTE(Gigabit @ Nov 24 2012, 07:02 PM) Far from irrelevant, Proton have gone leaps and bound in terms of build quality and meeting global standards...to say that it is milo tin is just irresponsible. There are some Proton owners ranting their own ride, but I believe they were influenced by friends, colleagues and relatives. It could be their faith and confidence not strong enough (yet). I think we Malaysians put too much emphasis on brand. QUOTE(ben3003 @ Nov 24 2012, 07:31 PM) anyone preve have very loud wok wok wok sound from the back? just now i seat at rear passenger seat when my dad fetch me back.. fuk i wan go fucuk SC again.. wat kind of shit is this sound.. sound like the bearing is giving way.. when drive faster it sound faster, when drive slower go slower..and not soft at all.. fuking loud.. Have you done your wheel alignment or check tyre pressure lately? I'm afraid what you heard was tyre noise?QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 24 2012, 07:45 PM) tqvm for the support. Pretty hard to change malaysian perception heh...like when saga blm@even current flx doesnt have autolock function, many cursing as prtn want to cut costlah, how much for thatlah kedekut punya prtn, viva pun adalah, apalah prtn n etc. Could all these homologation thingy were to protect EU countries' automotive industry? But when buying 100k++ so call global car dont have autolock function. Xper maa, its ncap requirement :-), no need autolock, dangerous ...and when one local manufacturer which principle is foreign co omit the autolock function, as usual, now jpj safety rules coz to comply, as usual, ncap :-)....nobody comply with ncap, but comply with the safety standards as mentioned b4. But just comply on certain safety equipments needed (not safety standards) that can gain more stars than previous test. Even though i nearly lost my touch with prtn, but sharing the info with prtn owners are really needed n i think its part of my responsibility. Atleast the buyer know what they r paying for, what they get n the price being paid, is it worth it or not, why some parts are expensive n some not n etc. Part produced based on conforming all homogolation really pricey, thats why many conti's parts are pricier, not only becoz import tax coz being cbu, but due to its cost. Know u know why :-) But then the probs is when the price of part is expensive, but not really conform with these 4 main standards on safety. QUOTE(arthur88 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:06 PM) I will PM you when I am about to visit there for my next service, then we can yam-cha there (got free nasi lemak there?) |
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Nov 26 2012, 12:14 PM
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Hi all, and congratulations to bro kiapreve!
Just to let you know that luckily I don't have FM reception problem. For those who were concern about their FC after remapped, I want to confirm that my Penang city drive got better FC than previous mapping. Very satisfied with the power and FC. |
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Nov 29 2012, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(Saya_Dhuang @ Nov 29 2012, 09:59 AM) I think mine is getting worst too... If this cannot be undone, why not try redo? Damn, did that SC update my ECU/TCU when I went there the other day? Hard truth are the bitterest to swallow.. I'm also plan to request for another flash when I go for my next service at another SC, since their system not linked, other SC shouldn't know what I did at another SC right? This post has been edited by G K Lai: Nov 29 2012, 11:01 AM |
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Dec 7 2012, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Dec 7 2012, 01:18 PM) anyone noticed the CVT sound whining sound become louder after ECU/TCU remap? cos now i feel very loud especially u let go pedal at 40-50km/h and let if free roll.. feels like kinda piercing sound.. Yes! Me! Me notice this too! By the way, anyone got any source to get the thermometer for the Preve export model? Really wish can get installed on mine so SID can display outside temperature, this is not critical, but just real fun! Added on December 7, 2012, 4:11 pm QUOTE(ryuken74 @ Dec 7 2012, 03:43 PM) Don't worry too much, it's a Proton, those clips should be able to buy at spare parts or accessories shops. This post has been edited by G K Lai: Dec 7 2012, 04:11 PM |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jan 1 2013, 10:24 AM) 4channels amp can come very cheap, get a used unit if you think a new one very expensive. Some of the local brand actually very good, just that because of less branding in it, it can come way cheaper than those expensive units. Sorry for bringing this off topic out again, but I just want to ask a quick question:Some of the HU with built-in amplifier, 50Wx4, which actually enough to drive some of the component speakers + subwoofer. You can go for active setup with some of the players around, Clarion CZ702A or Pioneer 80PRS. For SQ, STP soundproof full package, a decent HU, good component speakers, a good 4 channels amp, active subwoofer or passive subwoofer (another 2 channels amp). Done Common midbass that I know is 6", will require to drill some holes on the door panel to fit properly (dun think that will affect warranty, if it so, that's being too harsh). By using Preve's stock HU, does simply add an Active Sub-Woofer (underneath front seat) advisable if I don't want messy mod to the wiring? Never used an Active Sub-Woofer before, what I want is just low frequencies, like within 25Hz-35Hz, can a small woofer like this (compare to passive option) deliver low frequencies? The mid punch for stock system is enough for me. |
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Jan 1 2013, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jan 1 2013, 06:02 PM) I doubt that many subwoofer (let alone active) is capable enough to output sound at 25hz-35hz range. Even those who able to sound good at the range of 40hz - 50hz are considered as very good. Many thanks allenultra for digging out that informative thread! You want to read a bit more in the link below. http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2558419&hl= I set my subwoofer to only play all the frequency at 63hz and below, so far serving me very well, bass very punchy and good. On SQ mode anyway. FYI, I'm using a 10" active subwoofer. Looks like it's hard to achieve low frequencies with a small Active Sub, and I had enough of carrying a box at the back of car and loosening car components with it's punching and booming. QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jan 1 2013, 06:25 PM) just changed my preve HU and add amp today... totally change the sound.. more refined, less harsh high but still harsh, need tuning, now no tune. the boss say tomorrow only help me tune becos he tired liao, cannot tune properly lol.. nice shop, should only work half day but they help me install everything from 2 to 5.. summore very reasonable price for everything. But my dashboard rattle when go thru uneven road >< gonna ask the boss see can reopen see or not.. i think is the aircon there rattle.. anyone solve rattling themselves? may i know what should i do? i saw some DIY at aircon vent before but dunno where the guide at already.. anyway gonna send my car to EON on thursday, duno they see i change HU liao wat they gonna say lol.. Hi ben3003, do you mind share a photo or a link to HU model you installed? Still got steering control? |
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jan 1 2013, 06:58 PM) if need steering control need to buy the controller, around rm450 include installation.. using clarion cz702.. i think can try those pionner one also not bad.. more pretty You new HU is so sexy! Wow! RM450 for that controller module... Since you changed to Single DIN HU, what you going to make use of the extra blank space? QUOTE(allenultra @ Jan 1 2013, 07:21 PM) G K Lai, I'm not sure how low frequency you want the bass to be but there always some trade off for more space though... Ok, noted and yup, preferring SQ too, SPL will kill me inside the car. Small active sub won't work, get a big one. Something like mine, 10" active sub. It doesn't transfer bass to the whole car like my big subwoofer used to me but me and my passenger (when there is someone) can feel the more than enough bass whenever required. I'm more tune to SQ though ___________________________________________________________________________________________ By the way, I was very unlucky on the last day of 2012. 31st Dec 2012, I go to work and park my car at a usual place. When I want to go out for lunch, I was shocked to see my car being scratched by something like a 1-ton lorry who may be making a U-turn in the car park and when reverse, the back of the lorry hit my car. A little fortunate, my headlamp don't have a single scratch. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Anyway, I manage to find a known car spraying workshop who able to repair for me immediately. Leave my car there at noon and collect it on 5:30pm the next day. Was using my friend's extra "backup car", a Myvi (printed SE on the carpet?) for one day. |
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