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post Nov 11 2012, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(Shadow Kun @ Nov 11 2012, 12:07 PM)
More utilization does not guarantee higher demands.
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not real demand... more to "herd" demand like ipong

robertgo question is...why the "herd" demand is not on platinum but gold

how is gold more "asset safe heaven" and not platinum when platinum is more rare

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post Nov 11 2012, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(aziratul @ Nov 11 2012, 12:14 PM)
But...But gold can be found in many electronic product. How can you say gold less usuable than platinum?
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http://www.ebullionguide.com/platinum-uses.aspx

u change hardisk more than you change processor...which most of the small amount of gold is located...so yeah...platinum got more uses than gold...suppose to be more demand than gold

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post Nov 11 2012, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Nov 11 2012, 12:21 PM)
cost manufacturer more time and money to create platinum jewelry than gold jewelry.
Platinum is more difficult to work with and is more labor intensive compared to gold
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that should mean more exp not cheaper
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post Nov 11 2012, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(iceypain @ Nov 11 2012, 12:22 PM)
it's sort of a nash equilibrium in game theory terms. it benefits no single market participant to deviate from gold, the only way for platinum to take over as the safe haven is for a huge portion of the market to deviate at the same time, which is almost impossible.
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in another word....it's not real physical uses demand, more rare hence more valuable....it's more to monkey see monkey do kind of demand?

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post Nov 11 2012, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(iceypain @ Nov 11 2012, 12:27 PM)
yep, it's not illogical though, because nobody benefits from not following.
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that kind of demand is scary....no fundamental support....except "emotional" support which is scary if want to use as safe heaven

just like the geneva.....bunch of zombie support
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post Nov 11 2012, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Nov 11 2012, 12:31 PM)
it means low demand since it takes more time and harder to make, and not to forget platinum is heavier than gold
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most of the logic on gold is that it is rare hence the justified of it's price/demand
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post Nov 11 2012, 12:39 PM

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[quote=iceypain,Nov 11 2012, 12:34 PM]
[quote=dr2k3,Nov 11 2012, 12:29 PM]
that kind of demand is scary....no fundamental support....except "emotional" support which is scary if want to use as safe heaven

just like the geneva.....bunch of zombie support
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not exactly. geneva is different because it doesn't benefit one to continue following, at some point the ponzi scheme will go bust.

note that i'm refering to the convention of using gold as a store of value, not speculation. speculative bubbles are not nash equilibria
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u cannot see the big picture....

platinum was price at 2.2k before 2008 meltdown.....6xx on gold

how is platinum less valuable when gold is less rare than platinum have less store of value than gold...when production cost didn't increase much
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post Nov 11 2012, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(Shadow Kun @ Nov 11 2012, 12:41 PM)
Perception is a powerful aspect most people overlook in this comparison. Gold has been known since the dawn of time as a symbol of wealth even during times when it's industrial uses is nonexistent. Platinum is only known pretty recently in comparison and up until today it's still less understood to the masses. Simply put, screw rarity, screw usability. Gold plainly beats platinum down to the ground in popularity contest.
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just like ipong and android popularity contest when ipong spec is lower ? whistling.gif
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post Nov 11 2012, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(iceypain @ Nov 11 2012, 12:42 PM)
because post-meltdown, people value wealth preservation much more than pre-meltdown while industrial demand for both remained unchanged.
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wealth preservation kind of demand is speculative demand...

industrial demand is more real demand

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post Nov 11 2012, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(stinger82 @ Nov 11 2012, 12:50 PM)
also, because wearing platinum wear look just like silver.
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silver or platinum looks better tho

gold look like old fag
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post Nov 11 2012, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(iceypain @ Nov 11 2012, 12:51 PM)
it's not easy to draw the line between speculative demand and plain old demand. do you hold cash (ex. fx trading) because you're speculating that it will increase in value?
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yes..fx trading

to me buy and sell is speculative

unlike industrial it is buy and use...therefore it is the real demand for me
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post Nov 11 2012, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(iceypain @ Nov 11 2012, 12:56 PM)
by ex. i meant except.

what is the ultimate goal of a manufacturer? to sell it's product for profit right? so is the act of buying raw material and turning it into product speculative? it's used as a tool, as a means to an end. same with people who buy gold to preserve wealth, it's just that their using as a means to another end.

this is not to say the price of gold is not inflated by speculators because it definitely is right now.
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what i mean is that...if a person buy a gold and sell the gold out....it's speculative

manufacturer cannot sell the end product into gold market anymore unless they melt it back to pure gold..therefore manufacturer cannot be say as speculative.....they are speculative on their own product but not to gold market

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post Nov 11 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(kuzumikun @ Nov 11 2012, 01:09 PM)
because gold is stone with golden color,dat y high price than platinum
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gold is metal

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