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post Nov 6 2012, 11:01 PM


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http://www.mudah.my/New+Subaru+XV+2+0+AWD+CVT-18735494.htm
http://www.mudah.my/Subaru+XV+B+-18832697.htm

Saw this 2 ad in mudah.com from 2 diff state.
Offering RM139.8k for early bird booking.

This could be the cheapest Subaru(new car from Subaru dealer) in town.

Too bad no CKD WRX STi.
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post Nov 6 2012, 11:05 PM


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post Nov 7 2012, 12:04 AM


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A very nice,very good looking crossover SUV.
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Indeed cheap but worried about new dealers after sales service quality....

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post Nov 7 2012, 07:47 AM


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This is from Motor Image Malaysia.
RM139.8k is introductory price.
Price could go up after launch and availability in market.
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Is this CKD or Thailand? Comes with HID? Looks like a better buy than the CRV imo.
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Boxer Engine, Symmetrical AWD & CVT FTW
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cool rims!!!


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post Nov 7 2012, 10:10 AM


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http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/subaru/xv/suv/review

not bad only if it c/w diesel engine
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post Nov 7 2012, 10:46 AM


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post Nov 7 2012, 12:08 PM


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Looks pretty good for an SUV, definitely way better looking than CRV or Hyundai. I don't like the rims though.
How much power does it make? Seems like NA engine, no mention of turbo.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Nov 7 2012, 12:08 PM)
Looks pretty good for an SUV, definitely way better looking than CRV or Hyundai. I don't like the rims though.
How much power does it make? Seems like NA engine, no mention of turbo.
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Not enough.... 148bhp 2.0 NA.. moving over 1400++ kg... Only 1.6/2.0 Petrol and 2.0 Diesel models. No turbo.
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post Nov 7 2012, 12:49 PM


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not yet factor in the power lost and rubberband issue in CVT.. hmm.gif hmm.gif....
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Nov 7 2012, 12:49 PM)
not yet factor in the power lost and rubberband issue in CVT..  hmm.gif hmm.gif....
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There is a manual version, just not sure whether MI will be selling it or not.
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post Nov 7 2012, 02:12 PM


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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Nov 7 2012, 12:39 PM)
Not enough.... 148bhp 2.0 NA.. moving over 1400++ kg... Only 1.6/2.0 Petrol and 2.0 Diesel models. No turbo.
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Yeah as expected, power similar like all the other 2ltr SUVs in that range.
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post Nov 7 2012, 02:41 PM


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XV
110kW power @ 6200rpm
196Nm torque @ 4200rpm
Curb Weight 1390 kg (M)/ 1380 kg (A)
Grd Clearance 220mm

CRV
110kW power @ 6200rpm
190Nm torque @ 4200rpm
Curb Weight 1540 kg
Grd Clearance 185mm

Needless to say, at RM140k vs RM150k, I'll go for the XV. In an SUV, Torgue is what matters, not kW. And measured against a lighter vehicle, it's a no brainer. The only concern, as usual would be resale value.

Driving a CRV now for past 2 years. Fuel consumption is bad as to be expected of a Honda engine.
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post Nov 7 2012, 02:50 PM


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CX5 @ 114KW @6000rpm, 200Nm @ 4000rpm... weight 1522kg...

hmm.. kind of similar too..
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post Nov 7 2012, 03:06 PM


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Cars of that weight/size should at least have 2.4-2.5ltr engines. That's why in Indonesia nobody wants to buy the 2ltr CRV!

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post Nov 8 2012, 12:54 AM


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is this price logical if compared to the forester? 10k extra
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post Nov 8 2012, 03:59 AM


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putting power aside,



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post Nov 13 2012, 06:27 AM


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Will you buy this crossover? I'm thinking buying it.
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post Nov 14 2012, 12:48 PM


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QUOTE(Vervain @ Nov 8 2012, 03:59 AM)
putting power aside,



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after watching the videos... wow, why would anyone get anything else other then Subaru's 4 wheel drive?


also, I wonder how much the 2.0liter forrester XV? with turbo 250hp version coming in for ckd??

If it comes in at 250hp + 4wheel drive.... wow...almost as fast as Cayenne 6.2second 0-100. @ 180++k??


Is this the same car?

http://jalopnik.com/5960236/2014-subaru-fo...round-the-block

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post Nov 23 2012, 10:18 AM


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booked my subaru xv on wednesday. delivery feb 2013. not confirm colour yet. next month 2 more display model with different colour will arrive. most probably i will choose white but dark metallic grey is also in mind. anyone else book the xv?
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QUOTE(drklyong @ Nov 23 2012, 10:18 AM)
booked my subaru xv on wednesday. delivery feb 2013. not confirm colour yet. next month 2 more display model with different colour will arrive. most probably i will choose white but dark metallic grey is also in mind. anyone else book the xv?
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were you one of the first 200 people to book the car ?cause i asked at the roadshow in the curve, the sales guy said the first 200 customers will get a rm 6k discount ,... and about 130 people have booked the car already ..
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post Nov 23 2012, 09:10 PM


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QUOTE(sonic_cd @ Nov 23 2012, 12:15 PM)
were you one of the first 200 people to book the car ?cause i asked at the roadshow in the curve, the sales guy said the first 200 customers will get a rm 6k discount ,... and about 130 people have booked the car already ..
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yes , the first 200 get 6k discount. and the car will be registered as 2013 not 2012. i believe T& H will give u some discount but also give you 2012 car. so you lost 1 year in term of depreciation of value. Talk to the sales fellow, currently 90% parts from japan 10% local for the first batch. later maybe more and more parts will be made locally. last count on wednesday they told me 142 cars booked.
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post Apr 14 2013, 01:47 PM


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Saw on paper, they doing promo, now only 129k
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i went to see this yesterday, its 129k now, got 30 units available at this price. Im actually a Subaru fan, used to own a WRX from MI. but i dont think even at 129k the XV is worth it.

1st of all, its not a SUV, its a crossover, its based on the impreza. So the only thing SUVish about it is the slightly higher ride height vs a normal sedan.

I will based my reasons on why its not worth 129k vs the Focus Titanium+ thats 122k atm.

the focus has +3 airbags, electric drivers seat, much bigger boot, 30+ bhp, BLIS, dual clutch and its 7k cheaper. The focus is actually longer then wider then the XV.

so while at first sight ppl go WOW..so cheap 129k for a jap "SUV" if you really do a spec to spec comparison with other cars, its not worth it. Yes it looks nice and is very diffrent from the normal CRV, sportage etc, but its not for me.
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well, my friend has one (his father bought it, he just temporarily driving it), and he let me test drive once.

dont talk about power. with such small engine + CVT... really???? normal city/highway drive still okay. but it's a disappointment if you put the foot down.

rear seats not very spacious. boot space still okay.
quite easy to park the car as well.

oh, and, it only comes with halogen headlights. and even Kenwood head unit.

accessories quite less. interior design very traditional-ish.
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post Apr 15 2013, 10:59 PM


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Well I think to be fair, first of all it is an SUV...and so comparing to another sedan class car might be slightly unfair.

To begin with, Ford Focus is a feature rich car even when compared to a Honda Civic, Toyota Altis, Mitsubishi Lancer and Nissan Sylphy. Ford is really trying to gain market share by providing increased features at competitive pricing. I like the new Focus, being a Ford Smax owner.

However, I think the XV holds its own within its class. First of all these CUV/SUVs are generally all wheel drive and have higher ground clearance, as pointed out by JWRX. These AWD systems generally increases the cost in my opinion.

Although cars like Ford Focus are feature rich, but when compared to similar competition like ASX or CRV, I think XV does have its benefits and pros. CRV is heavy and pretty sluggish compared to XV and ASX, but most spacious out of the 3.

But where I think XV really shines, is the fact that although its small, its form factor coupled with the AWD, low lying COG (due to boxer flat four engine) gives it a pretty good and sporty road handling (for a SUV). And its ground clearance is just superb with more than 200mm space beneath. I owned a Forester for 4 years and really enjoyed the handling and reduced body roll during corners given its size and ground clearance.

Sure the 2.0 NA engine is no road burner, but I don't think XV was targeted at the performance suv/cuv market. That would be the Forester.

These 'off-road' features are obviously not very useful for the general commuter who works in an office with nice car park. For some users who occasionally have to enter industrial areas, shabby roads or even near construction sites, it is indeed useful. Good grip on uneven roads or water patches on highways. Furthermore, with the current frequent flash floods in Malaysia, I have many times seen these SUVs just cruise over most of these water ponds, whereas luxury sedans stop by the wayside worrying about getting their undercarriage dirty or worst still water penetration. Of course it can't escape a mega flood.

So I think at the end of the day, one needs to look at what they need from the car. For people who do not need the ground clearance and AWD then surely they should go for more comfortable sedans with added features. But for people who need it, I think at the reduced price of 129k, it should definitely be considered.
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QUOTE(joker98 @ Apr 15 2013, 10:59 PM)
Well I think to be fair, first of all it is an SUV...and so comparing to another sedan class car might be slightly unfair.

To begin with, Ford Focus is a feature rich car even when compared to a Honda Civic, Toyota Altis, Mitsubishi Lancer and Nissan Sylphy. Ford is really trying to gain market share by providing increased features at competitive pricing. I like the new Focus, being a Ford Smax owner.

However, I think the XV holds its own within its class. First of all these CUV/SUVs are generally all wheel drive and have higher ground clearance, as pointed out by JWRX. These AWD systems generally increases the cost in my opinion.

Although cars like Ford  Focus are feature rich, but when compared to similar competition like ASX or CRV, I think XV does have its benefits and pros. CRV is heavy and pretty sluggish compared to XV and ASX, but most spacious out of the 3.

But where I think XV really shines, is the fact that although its small, its form factor coupled with the AWD, low lying COG (due to boxer flat four engine) gives it a pretty good and sporty road handling (for a SUV). And its ground clearance is just superb with more than 200mm space beneath. I owned a Forester for 4 years and really enjoyed the handling and reduced body roll during corners given its size and ground clearance.

Sure the 2.0 NA engine is no road burner, but I don't think XV was targeted at the performance suv/cuv market. That would be the Forester.

These 'off-road' features are obviously not very useful for the general commuter who works in an office with nice car park. For some users who occasionally have to enter industrial areas, shabby roads or even near construction sites, it is indeed useful. Good grip on uneven roads or water patches on highways. Furthermore, with the current frequent flash floods in Malaysia, I have many times seen these SUVs just cruise over most of these water ponds, whereas luxury sedans stop by the wayside worrying about getting their undercarriage dirty or worst still water penetration. Of course it can't escape a mega flood.

So I think at the end of the day, one needs to look at what they need from the car. For people who do not need the ground clearance and AWD then surely they should go for more comfortable sedans with added features. But for people who need it, I think at the reduced price of 129k, it should definitely be considered.
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First of all this is NOT a SUV but a crossover.. practically a sedan/hatchback on high suspension. It is actually an Impreza 5 door hatch on high suspension. That is the boot space is no bigger than the Impreza hatch as all they did was put the platform on raised suspension and did not bother to change it. Since you had a forester, you would understand how much a crossover a Forester is and not so much a SUV. I'm not sure which Forester you had but they were all based on the Impreza platform with a higher roof added (for latest model) to look more like an SUV but handles like a sedan. The older models just look like beefier versions of the Impreza wagon.

Crossovers are getting popular as SUVs are just too big to move around in urban areas. That is why they have crossovers like the Suzuki SX4.... small but tall. You have the height benefit but not the size.




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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 16 2013, 09:26 AM)
First of all this is NOT a SUV but a crossover.. practically a sedan/hatchback on high suspension. It is actually an Impreza 5 door hatch on high suspension. That is the boot space is no bigger than the Impreza hatch as all they did was put the platform on raised suspension and did not bother to change it. Since you had a forester, you would understand how much a crossover a Forester is and not so much a SUV. I'm not sure which Forester you had but they were all based on the Impreza platform with a higher roof added (for latest model) to look more like an SUV but handles like a sedan. The older models just look like beefier versions of the Impreza wagon.

Crossovers are getting popular as SUVs are just too big to move around in urban areas. That is why they have crossovers like the Suzuki SX4.... small but tall. You have the height benefit but not the size.
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Which is why I said CUV/SUVs.......

But at the end of the day, these are just terms for various higher suspended cars of different size. One should not let how the marketing term dictate what they buy. You buy a car for what you need....is all I am saying. Irregardless of what platform it is. Similarly Tiguan and Q5 also share platforms with their smaller siblings.....

If you need a high riding car but not a people mover, then consider it. But if you need ample space, then look at the bigger SUVs. But for what it is and at the price of 129k, I think it is worth considering if it matches ones requirement.

I also owned the very first generation Honda CRV more than 10 years ago....and you know what CRV stood for? There was a huge sticker on the back with the words....Comfortable Roundabout Vehicle.......needless to say...I peeled the ugly thing off....


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QUOTE(joker98 @ Apr 16 2013, 09:59 AM)
Which is why I said CUV/SUVs.......

But at the end of the day, these are just terms for various higher suspended cars of different size. One should not let how the marketing term dictate what they buy. You buy a car for what you need....is all I am saying. Irregardless of what platform it is. Similarly Tiguan and Q5 also share platforms with their smaller siblings.....

If you need a high riding car but not a people mover, then consider it. But if you need ample space, then look at the bigger SUVs. But for what it is and at the price of 129k, I think it is worth considering if it matches ones requirement.

I also owned the very first generation Honda CRV more than 10 years ago....and you know what CRV stood for? There was a huge sticker on the back with the words....Comfortable Roundabout Vehicle.......needless to say...I peeled the ugly thing off....
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It could also have been Runabout instead of Roundabout....cannot remember clearly...
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QUOTE(joker98 @ Apr 16 2013, 09:59 AM)
Which is why I said CUV/SUVs.......

But at the end of the day, these are just terms for various higher suspended cars of different size. One should not let how the marketing term dictate what they buy. You buy a car for what you need....is all I am saying. Irregardless of what platform it is. Similarly Tiguan and Q5 also share platforms with their smaller siblings.....

If you need a high riding car but not a people mover, then consider it. But if you need ample space, then look at the bigger SUVs. But for what it is and at the price of 129k, I think it is worth considering if it matches ones requirement.

I also owned the very first generation Honda CRV more than 10 years ago....and you know what CRV stood for? There was a huge sticker on the back with the words....Comfortable Roundabout Vehicle.......needless to say...I peeled the ugly thing off....
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Unfortunately in Malaysia people don't have the choice of choosing the Impreza Sedan which is priced lower than the XV. So in fact people are paying for a premium for the same thing they can get cheaper minus the height but they don't realise that in Malaysia since TC Subaru/MI does not bring in the Impreza 2.0i. The 129K for a sedan with additional 3 inches of clearance is a rather high price to pay. Subaru's edge with AWD has been surpassed by the implementation of ESPs/BFDs/ETCs/EveryOther3LetterAbbv/SOS in standard sedans and compacts and it is something not appreciated by most Malaysians. I drive a Subaru myself and fully appreciate the AWD while most drivers don't even know whether they are powered by their front or rear wheels. To them, the car just moves... and that is all they care about.
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 16 2013, 11:07 AM)
Unfortunately in Malaysia people don't have the choice of choosing the Impreza Sedan which is priced lower than the XV. So in fact people are paying for a premium for the same thing they can get cheaper minus the height but they don't realise that in Malaysia since TC Subaru/MI does not bring in the Impreza 2.0i. The 129K for a sedan with additional 3 inches of clearance is a rather high price to pay. Subaru's edge with AWD has been surpassed by the implementation of ESPs/BFDs/ETCs/EveryOther3LetterAbbv/SOS in standard sedans and compacts and it is something not appreciated by most Malaysians. I drive a Subaru myself and fully appreciate the AWD while most drivers don't even know whether they are powered by their front or rear wheels. To them, the car just moves... and that is all they care about.
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Hi,
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Did you mean is it like this?

XV = Higher version Impreza sedan

ASX = Higher version of Lancer sedan
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Apr 16 2013, 11:51 AM)
Hi,
Just to clarify
Did you mean is it like this?

XV = Higher version Impreza sedan

ASX =  Higher version of Lancer sedan
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That is practically what it is.. of course they don't just jack the car up.. they'd do some cosmetic changes on the outside so it looks more like a crossover than a sedan on stilts. Subaru did some changes outside but didn't do much to the platform. That is the reason for the poor boot space in the XV. People expect a taller car to have a deeper boot space as the clearance allows for that but Subaru didn't change the hatchback platform at all. So you just end up with a 'higher/taller' boot space that is the about the same as the hatchback.
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Basically the XV is more like a Golf Cross Country
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Passat Alltrack, Cross Touran... that sort of car. A bit lifted, and maybe with 4x4. Other cars like that are for example the Kangoo 4x4
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and the Panda 4x4
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Though the latter two are actually used as offroaders, the Panda has for example 5 cm more ground clearance.

But if you want ground clearance, may I suggest this?
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I remembered posting the Subaru Impreza WRX Hatch and the XV comparison pic in another XV topic... and here it is again.. a quick glance and both cars look almost the same.

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 16 2013, 11:07 AM)
Unfortunately in Malaysia people don't have the choice of choosing the Impreza Sedan which is priced lower than the XV. So in fact people are paying for a premium for the same thing they can get cheaper minus the height but they don't realise that in Malaysia since TC Subaru/MI does not bring in the Impreza 2.0i. The 129K for a sedan with additional 3 inches of clearance is a rather high price to pay. Subaru's edge with AWD has been surpassed by the implementation of ESPs/BFDs/ETCs/EveryOther3LetterAbbv/SOS in standard sedans and compacts and it is something not appreciated by most Malaysians. I drive a Subaru myself and fully appreciate the AWD while most drivers don't even know whether they are powered by their front or rear wheels. To them, the car just moves... and that is all they care about.
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Well all the 2WD technology to prevent slippage are pretty good, but when going into really poor ground conditions that have no road, those 2WD technology really can't help much. I drove my Forester regularly into construction sites (during early stages) and the AWD really really helped out a lot. Tried driving a X1 RWD into site before...big big mistake. If there was rain the night before....

Anyway..as you said a lot of the buyers don't bother too much about AWD. Similar to what ever platform the car is on.

Females will look at it and like or dislike the looks, comfort, usability, ease of getting on or off, get to see the road from a higher level....etc.

Uncles/Aunties will probably like the nice height for getting onto these CUVs without killing their knees...

So far I have seen a few on the road and the drivers are housewives and uncles.

So at the end of the day, these CUVs/SUVs are indeed priced higher than their siblings because the car makers know there is a market for them. Irregardless of how they reuse a platform from a smaller car. If the market needs/wants it they make it. And I am pretty sure coming up with a whole new platform will drive car costs up and given the competition of car models nowadays, I doubt it would be very wise to redesign from floor up unless something is really wrong with it.
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Im not saying its a bad car, theres def + points, and ppl will buy it because they like it.

Im just saying that for the price you pay, you really arnt getting much. Dont forget a Suzuki Vitara SUV is only 119k


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QUOTE(joker98 @ Apr 16 2013, 05:46 PM)
Well all the 2WD technology to prevent slippage are pretty good, but when going into really poor ground conditions that have no road, those 2WD technology really can't help much. I drove my Forester regularly into construction sites (during early stages) and the AWD really really helped out a lot. Tried driving a X1 RWD into site before...big big mistake. If there was rain the night before....

Anyway..as you said a lot of the buyers don't bother too much about AWD. Similar to what ever platform the car is on.

Females will look at it and like or dislike the looks, comfort, usability, ease of getting on or off, get to see the road from a higher level....etc.

Uncles/Aunties will probably like the nice height for getting onto these CUVs without killing their knees...

So far I have seen a few on the road and the drivers are housewives and uncles.

So at the end of the day, these CUVs/SUVs are indeed priced higher than their siblings because the car makers know there is a market for them. Irregardless of how they reuse a platform from a smaller car. If the market needs/wants it they make it. And I am pretty sure coming up with a whole new platform will drive car costs up and given the competition of car models nowadays, I doubt it would be very wise to redesign from floor up unless something is really wrong with it.
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My experience with the X-Trail and my father was that it is pretty hard to get him into the car. It's just too high.

As for AWD... if you need it, you need it. But my guess is most Malaysians don't, they drive on road. Technology such as ESP can't be replaced by AWD, neither can it replace AWD. Two very different technologies for different purposes.

Personally I think the XV is perfectly fine, it will serve it's purpose (though I'd rather have an Impreza). But that boot is ridiculous. Yes, I believe Sleepwalker explained why it was so small, but still... it is ridiculously small.

I guess the Vitara is better off-road, but the XV could very well be better on road. Since that's where most crossover/SUVs are driven it's perfectly fine.

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QUOTE(joker98 @ Apr 16 2013, 05:46 PM)
Well all the 2WD technology to prevent slippage are pretty good, but when going into really poor ground conditions that have no road, those 2WD technology really can't help much. I drove my Forester regularly into construction sites (during early stages) and the AWD really really helped out a lot. Tried driving a X1 RWD into site before...big big mistake. If there was rain the night before....

Anyway..as you said a lot of the buyers don't bother too much about AWD. Similar to what ever platform the car is on.

Females will look at it and like or dislike the looks, comfort, usability, ease of getting on or off, get to see the road from a higher level....etc.

Uncles/Aunties will probably like the nice height for getting onto these CUVs without killing their knees...

So far I have seen a few on the road and the drivers are housewives and uncles.

So at the end of the day, these CUVs/SUVs are indeed priced higher than their siblings because the car makers know there is a market for them. Irregardless of how they reuse a platform from a smaller car. If the market needs/wants it they make it. And I am pretty sure coming up with a whole new platform will drive car costs up and given the competition of car models nowadays, I doubt it would be very wise to redesign from floor up unless something is really wrong with it.
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i resent that , i ain`t a uncle .. XD tongue.gif


anyway back to the car having used it since before cny , the one complaint i have with it is , the gearbox is bit noisy ...

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ok

between XV and Forester , which one is better ?

from the spec , i will be definitely choose Forester though i have to fork out 20k to get a better SUV
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QUOTE(sonic_cd @ Apr 16 2013, 06:18 PM)
i resent that , i ain`t a uncle .. XD  tongue.gif
anyway back to the car having used it since before cny , the one complaint i have with it is , the gearbox is bit noisy ...
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sonic: No offense. Was just agreeing to sleepwalker and reinforcing the fact that majority of car buyers don't give a damn about many technical details of the car, especially housewife and uncles. But I can see how they can be attracted to cars like ASX and XV.

Also was just stating the fact that I have only indeed seen female and uncle drivers on this car so far. Not to say that it is only a car for uncles and housewifes. I personally like it too. But too bad not enough ommph for me, having driven a Forester 2.5 turbo unit with an upgraded turbo. If this car came with a turbocharged boxer, I would have booked it way back when.

But mind sharing what made you buy this car in the first place? What were the positives of this XV for you?

Kevler: I think you need to test drive both and see for yourself what you need and price of course.
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sonic: No offense. Was just agreeing to sleepwalker and reinforcing the fact that majority of car buyers don't give a damn about many technical details of the car, especially housewife and uncles. But I can see how they can be attracted to cars like ASX and XV.

Also was just stating the fact that I have only indeed seen female and uncle drivers on this car so far. Not to say that it is only a car for uncles and housewifes. I personally like it too. But too bad not enough ommph for me, having driven a Forester 2.5 turbo unit with an upgraded turbo. If this car came with a turbocharged boxer, I would have booked it way back when.

But mind sharing what made you buy this car in the first place? What were the positives of this XV for you?

Kevler: I think you need to test drive both and see for yourself what you need and price of course.
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none taken . XD


pretty sure it can be turbo`ed later on .

as what made me buy the car , well for one

1 engine does not give headaches
2 size , compared to my previous car .
3 4wd...this due to personal preference .
4 parents nagging , one pasal they cannot get into my old car ( too low) , and another being the maintaince/repair on the previous car ..
5 hate the crv shape ,and no new rav4 .. (recon only )
6 the handling is quite good for car that tall .


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none taken . XD
pretty sure it can be turbo`ed later on .

as what made me buy the car , well for one

1 engine does not give headaches
2 size , compared to my previous car .
3 4wd...this due to personal preference .
4 parents nagging , one pasal they cannot get into my old car ( too low)  , and another being the maintaince/repair on the previous car ..
5 hate the crv shape ,and no new rav4 .. (recon only )
6 the handling is quite good for car that tall .
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Out of interest, did you not compare to the ASX?
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Wait till u send it for service....

You'll 'love' it!!!!
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Out of interest, did you not compare to the ASX?
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Wait till u send it for service....

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AFAIK only turbocharged XV are the diesel ones, 2.0 145hp @3600rpm, 350nm @1600rpm
and mitsubishi ain't bringing it in due to our lousy diesel or maybe coz it only have manual transmission

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Simple... The service sucks big time!!!
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Unfortunately I have to agree on this one. None of the dozens of Subaru Impreza drivers that I know ever goes back to TCS/MI for service unless it was during the warranty period. We have a few Subaru specialist around that can do the job better than them at half the cost.
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Do what you need to do at TCS/MI until the warranty runs out. Anything that you can do outside that does not void warranty, you might want to consider doing it outside. They charge an exorbitant amount for parts. For example, OEM Subaru Impreza WRX front brake pads RM850 per pair. For that price I can get racing spec pads and OEM Replacement pads 0-500C range is only around RM400-500 per pair. Suspension.. hah.. that one is a real joke.. RM5000 OEM.

Since you have a new car, it should be pretty much trouble free as Subaru parts do last quite long but once they break, it becomes a headache as it does not share many common parts with other cars. Their parts are pretty 'unique' to Subaru only.
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Do what you need to do at TCS/MI until the warranty runs out. Anything that you can do outside that does not void warranty, you might want to consider doing it outside. They charge an exorbitant amount for parts. For example, OEM Subaru Impreza WRX front brake pads RM850 per pair. For that price I can get racing spec pads and OEM Replacement pads 0-500C range is only around RM400-500 per pair. Suspension.. hah.. that one is a real joke.. RM5000 OEM.

Since you have a new car, it should be pretty much trouble free as Subaru parts do last quite long but once they break, it becomes a headache as it does not share many common parts with other cars. Their parts are pretty 'unique' to Subaru only.
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ah , that .. pretty much expected that already , well, not yet rech that stage yet though .
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Still no Subaru's dealer or service centre available in Sabah.
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ah , that .. pretty much expected that already , well, not yet rech that stage yet though .
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It is true. I owned the Forester between 09 till end of last year. The minute warranty was over, I did not return to MI for servicing. The last time I was there to service was in 2011. However, I see that they have now expanded their operations and the XV sells in larger volumes compared to the previous Foresters, WRXs and Legacys.

Also heard that they are gonna have a spare part hub here. They are also rebuilding a 7 storey HQ building 2 lots away from their current HQ. So hopefully this will change things around a bit. Afterall, if they want to establish an increased market share, they need to change their service attitude.
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QUOTE(joker98 @ Apr 17 2013, 10:05 AM)
It is true. I owned the Forester between 09 till end of last year. The minute warranty was over, I did not return to MI for servicing. The last time I was there to service was in 2011. However, I see that they have now expanded their operations and the XV sells in larger volumes compared to the previous Foresters, WRXs and Legacys.

Also heard that they are gonna have a spare part hub here. They are also rebuilding a 7 storey HQ building 2 lots away from their current HQ. So hopefully this will change things around a bit. Afterall, if they want to establish an increased market share, they need to change their service attitude.
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And the only reason they are still alive in Malaysia is because of TC. Unfortunately, that also represents a slight conflict in interest as TC has exclusive rights to distribute Nissan. Subaru is part Toyota now and might be better off with UMW (yeah I know.. they are not the best either..).
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It is true. I owned the Forester between 09 till end of last year. The minute warranty was over, I did not return to MI for servicing. The last time I was there to service was in 2011. However, I see that they have now expanded their operations and the XV sells in larger volumes compared to the previous Foresters, WRXs and Legacys.

Also heard that they are gonna have a spare part hub here. They are also rebuilding a 7 storey HQ building 2 lots away from their current HQ. So hopefully this will change things around a bit. Afterall, if they want to establish an increased market share, they need to change their service attitude.
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I don't think they'll ever change bro. It's the attitude that matters the most. Most of their SAs have worst attitudes than even Proton's SAs!!!!!!

I'm also speaking from experience as I send my car for servicing since 2010!!!

Been a customer of T and H before, even proton and perodua but nothing 'out beats' Subaru!!!!



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QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Apr 17 2013, 11:00 AM)
I don't think they'll ever change bro. It's the attitude that matters the most. Most of their SAs have worst attitudes than even Proton's SAs!!!!!!

I'm also speaking from experience as I send my car for servicing since 2010!!!

Been a customer of T and H before, even proton and perodua but nothing 'out beats' Subaru!!!!
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malaysia is like that one lah...
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malaysia is like that one lah...
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Cannot say that bro... if everyone says that then, our service industry will die soon.

I can say Subarus are great! Great in handling, great in quality and great in looks! biggrin.gif

Just that IF... and I say IF Motor Image or TC is really keen on capturing the Malaysian market with Subarus, they MUST improve on Customer Service dept!!!!!

Every 2-3 months, they have so many staff turnover! Everytime I go there, it's a new person. Being new and perhaps they know that they'll not last that long, they just treat customers like rubbish!

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QUOTE(subaru555 @ Apr 17 2013, 11:44 AM)
Cannot say that bro... if everyone says that then, our service industry will die soon.

I can say Subarus are great! Great in handling, great in quality and great in looks!  biggrin.gif

Just that IF... and I say IF Motor Image or TC is really keen on capturing the Malaysian market with Subarus, they MUST improve on Customer Service dept!!!!!

Every 2-3 months, they have so many staff turnover! Everytime I go there, it's a new person. Being new and perhaps they know that they'll not last that long, they just treat customers like rubbish!

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QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Apr 17 2013, 11:00 AM)
I don't think they'll ever change bro. It's the attitude that matters the most. Most of their SAs have worst attitudes than even Proton's SAs!!!!!!

I'm also speaking from experience as I send my car for servicing since 2010!!!

Been a customer of T and H before, even proton and perodua but nothing 'out beats' Subaru!!!!
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dunno , the sales person which i got seems to be quite ok , same guy handled it from when i placed the deposit @ the roadshow in the cuve last year , till delivery before cny .

one thing thogh m the road leadin into the service centre is crap .. lol ..
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dunno , the sales person which i got seems to be quite ok , same guy handled it from when i placed the deposit @ the roadshow in the cuve last year , till delivery before cny .

one thing thogh m the road leadin into the service centre is crap .. lol ..
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Sales people ok... it's the SERVICE ADVISORS that you need to beware... All lazy @rses!!!!

BTW, don't be surprise your Sales Advisors quit in 4-6 months time.
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So did you eventually buy it or at least test drove it? It's April now since your last comment on this XV. Thanks


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It is true. I owned the Forester between 09 till end of last year. The minute warranty was over, I did not return to MI for servicing. The last time I was there to service was in 2011. However, I see that they have now expanded their operations and the XV sells in larger volumes compared to the previous Foresters, WRXs and Legacys.

Also heard that they are gonna have a spare part hub here. They are also rebuilding a 7 storey HQ building 2 lots away from their current HQ. So hopefully this will change things around a bit. Afterall, if they want to establish an increased market share, they need to change their service attitude.
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Can you help recommend me Subaru specialist other than MI? I wish to get my service done there rather than with those at MI Thq
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Can you help recommend me Subaru specialist other than MI? I wish to get my service done there rather than with those at MI  Thq
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But do you still have warranty? If you do, I suggest you stick with them first in case they use that as an excuse to void your warranty should any problem crop up.
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But do you still have warranty? If you do, I suggest you stick with them first in case they use that as an excuse to void your warranty should any problem crop up.
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Yes but I would still like some in case recommendations for outside service places that are subaru vehicle specialist. Surely I can still do a few regular service outside of MI right? I dont have to go to them for each and every service while under warranty do I?

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Yes but I would still like some in case recommendations for outside service places that are subaru vehicle specialist. Surely I can still do a few regular service outside of MI right? I dont have to go to them for each and every service while under warranty do I?

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How many have they sold? Until today, other than those at the showroom, I haven't seen any on the road. Heck, I have seen more Lambos than XVs.

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How many have they sold?  Until today, other than those at the showroom, I haven't seen any on the road.  Heck, I have seen more Lambos than XVs.
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Any thoughts why so few XVs on the road or why they have sold so few?
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depends on where you are. bangsar, ss2/ TTDI area alot, in fact it was because i started seeing so many i decided to go check out the showroom. cos i knew for so many ppl to buy, subaru sure giving big discount
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depends on where you are. bangsar, ss2/ TTDI area alot, in fact it was because i started seeing so many i decided to go check out the showroom. cos i knew for so many ppl to buy, subaru sure giving big discount
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Maybe Ikttan living or working in a rich area smile.gif Sure see more Lambs la.....

I have spotted quite a few on the NKVE on the Damansara side here. Grey and white mostly.

Subaru now cutting price down to 129k before OTR, around 134k otr (apparently till end of the month of April)...sure gonna see more XVs on the road soon.




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How many have they sold?  Until today, other than those at the showroom, I haven't seen any on the road.  Heck, I have seen more Lambos than XVs.
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the xv going against competitive suv/crossover market..crv,xtrail,cx5..xv belong to niche market..boxer, legendary awd system.
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Maybe Ikttan living or working in a rich area smile.gif Sure see more Lambs la.....

I have spotted quite a few on the NKVE on the Damansara side here. Grey and white mostly.
Wahsehhhhhh ... where got! I was driving around PJ/Bangsar area over the weekend (no, I don't live in these high-class areas :-) and did not see any on the road.

Launched since Nov/Dec 2012 and I haven't seen one on the road ... hmmphhhhh ... (except one in my taman but that doesn't count as I seen it in the porch only).


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Wahsehhhhhh ... where got!  I was driving around PJ/Bangsar area over the weekend (no, I don't live in these high-class areas :-) and did not see any on the road. 

Launched since Nov/Dec 2012 and I haven't seen one on the road ... hmmphhhhh ... (except one in my taman but that doesn't count as I seen it in the porch only).
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So the question is why, why no one want to buy this car? Too expensive in any way? Maintenance? Lousy? Is Subaru a local made car or is it imported? Maybe it's a new subsidiary of Perodua?
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So the question is why, why no one want to buy this car? Too expensive in any way? Maintenance? Lousy? Is Subaru a local made car or is it imported? Maybe it's a new subsidiary of Perodua?
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That's because nobody knows Subaru. All these while, they have only brought in the high performance WRX and WRX STi models but none of the standard consumer models. There is also a conflict of identities since people associate Tan Chong with Nissan and yet they own TC Subaru/MI. You don't see anybody driving standard Impreza sedans around with the exception of the one or 2 units of grey imports. The standard sedans are rarer than the WRX and WRX STi in Malaysia.

Back in the hey days of Subaru Rally, only WRX models were available and priced out of range of most buyers. Now, the rally days are behind them and the brand has faded into obscurity, with the only few Subaru Impreza WRX and STi on the road reminding the public what Subaru stands for...

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That's because nobody knows Subaru. All these while, they have only brought in the high performance WRX and WRX STi models but none of the standard consumer models. There is also a conflict of identities since people associate Tan Chong with Nissan and yet they own TC Subaru/MI. You don't see anybody driving standard Impreza sedans around with the exception of the one or 2 units of grey imports. The standard sedans are rarer than the WRX and WRX STi in Malaysia.

Back in the hey days of Subaru Rally, only WRX models were available and priced out of range of most buyers. Now, the rally days are behind them and the brand has faded into obscurity, with the only few Subaru Impreza WRX and STi on the road reminding the public what Subaru stands for...
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 23 2013, 08:51 AM)
That's because nobody knows Subaru. All these while, they have only brought in the high performance WRX and WRX STi models but none of the standard consumer models. There is also a conflict of identities since people associate Tan Chong with Nissan and yet they own TC Subaru/MI. You don't see anybody driving standard Impreza sedans around with the exception of the one or 2 units of grey imports. The standard sedans are rarer than the WRX and WRX STi in Malaysia.

Back in the hey days of Subaru Rally, only WRX models were available and priced out of range of most buyers. Now, the rally days are behind them and the brand has faded into obscurity, with the only few Subaru Impreza WRX and STi on the road reminding the public what Subaru stands for...
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thats true , cause when i pulled into the petrol station , the station owner asked me whether the car had a turbo or not .... sweat.gif
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thats true , cause when i pulled into the petrol station , the station owner asked me whether the car had a turbo or not ....  sweat.gif
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and you know what is really sad... 8 out of the 10 subaru impreza wrx/sti you see on the road are JDM grey imports and not the model brought in by Motor Image. Every WRX STi models you see on the road up to version 9 are grey imports as MI only sold WRX models then.

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I have seen a sales office at Balakong near Cheras Selatan so wonder any Subaru service centre in Kajang area ka?
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I have seen a sales office at Balakong near Cheras Selatan so wonder any Subaru service centre in Kajang area ka?
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The service centre is the shoplot directly behind the showroom. It has been there for some time.

In Kajang itself, I am not sure if there are authorized service centres or not but the cheras selatan one is close enough to Kajang.
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Looks like there are already quite a number of XV owners here in this thread ...
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The service centre is the shoplot directly behind the showroom.  It has been there for some time.

In Kajang itself, I am not sure if there are authorized service centres or not but the cheras selatan one is close enough to Kajang.
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how long is the warranty for XV? My 5-years Grand Livina is due for change soon. Thinking of getting the CRV or this. hmm.gif The CRV has 5 years warranty at the moment.

Or is there any better suggestion other than these 2? Price around RM150k or lower.
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how long is the warranty for XV?  My 5-years Grand Livina is due for change soon.  Thinking of getting the CRV or this.  hmm.gif   The CRV has 5 years warranty at the moment. 

Or is there any better suggestion other than these 2?  Price around RM150k or lower.
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Only 3 years and if you've lived with grand livina or have experienced a crv then you better prepare yourself when it comes to size expectations.. like going from semi d to stay at service apartment. Don't need to mention which is which right?

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QUOTE(Cynox @ Apr 26 2013, 09:45 AM)
how long is the warranty for XV?  My 5-years Grand Livina is due for change soon.  Thinking of getting the CRV or this.  hmm.gif  The CRV has 5 years warranty at the moment. 

Or is there any better suggestion other than these 2?  Price around RM150k or lower.
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so the XV has much smaller interior? Hop into the CRV during the roadshow 2 weeks ago, the interior space not much difference with my Livina, except for the 3rd roll seats which i do not use much. It was folded down and covered by a tonneau cover almost all the time.

But my wife's office have a last gen CRV as company car and the service record is bad - from spoilt power steering to gear box, so many major problems, costs about RM20,000 for maintenance last year alone (for the power steering and gear box). So she is quite skeptical to get a CRV. Dunno whether her company got a lemon or CRV is really that bad quality. The CRV is only used normally, not into offroad or anything. unsure.gif

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so the XV has much smaller interior?  Hop into the CRV during the roadshow 2 weeks ago, the interior space not much difference with my Livina, except for the 3rd roll seats which i do not use much.  It was folded down and covered by a tonneau cover almost all the time. 

But my wife's office have a last gen CRV as company car and the service record is bad - from spoilt power steering to gear box, so many major problems, costs about RM20,000 for maintenance last year alone (for the power steering and gear box).  So she is quite skeptical to get a CRV.  Dunno whether her company got a lemon or CRV is really that bad quality.  The CRV is only used normally, not into offroad or anything.  unsure.gif
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The XV is not even an SUV, it is a car-cross-over-hatchback thing which drives like a car, looks like a car, sounds like a car, all the time 4 wheel drive, but is called a crossover. So you think that this thing will have space like an SUV?

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The XV is not even an SUV, it is a car-cross-over-hatchback thing which drives like a car, looks like a car, sounds like a car, all the time 4 wheel drive, but is called a crossover. So you think that this thing will have space like an SUV?
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lol... sorry for my noobness but i can't really differentiate between all these "SUV" until i sit inside one. Actually i dun have much requirements in a car. It need not to be high power fast going - just need to be comfortable, reasonable spacious, reasonable maintenance cost and resale value. tongue.gif Sat in the back passenger seat of a S Class and 7-Series a few times, doesn't really feel they are so much better than my GL in term of ride comfort (in monetary value). But the 7 series feel most comfortable if taken away the price tag. biggrin.gif

For me, a test drive is very important to get a feel of the car. Test drove the Avanza and horrified by its ride quality. Luckily Grand Livina was launched around that time and immediately confirm booking after taking the test drive - very amazed by the quiet interior and ride comfort - compared to my previous VIOS.

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XV is 5 yrs or 100,000 km and free service labour during warranty.

Although the XV is a cross over, the CRV is also not a SUV. That is why Honda emphasized that it is a Comfortable Runabout Vehicle :-) I think you are looking at a high riding vehicle and for below 150k, you also have the ASX and CX5. Note that after adding some options, CRV is above 150k.

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CYNOX said the CRV has got issues. Some parts don't last long?


I read very good reviews of the new Subaru XV by Australia Nrma and Australian Carpoint. But in England, it was rated average only! I wonder which one is malaysia version.

Has anyone driven the XV? Can compare to Ford ranger or new mazda BT50 in comfort or handling or not? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(shingliu @ Apr 26 2013, 07:23 PM)
CYNOX said the CRV has got issues.  Some parts don't last long?
I read very good reviews of the new Subaru XV by Australia Nrma and Australian Carpoint.    But in England, it was rated average only!    I wonder which one is malaysia version.

Has anyone driven the XV?    Can compare to Ford ranger or new mazda BT50 in comfort or handling or not?    hmm.gif
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It handles like a tall Subaru Impreza 5-door hatch. It's still a sedan with an additional 3 inch ride height. I kept saying that it is like the Subaru Impreza hatch only to realised that most of you guys have not seen the Impreza hatch and can't imagine how it looks and feel like. When you sit inside, it looks and feel exactly like the 5 door hatch.
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Compare an XV with a Ranger/BT50???

Totally different type of vehicle. XV definitely definitely out handle those two and also definitely definitely more comfortable. But it is not a pickup!
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It's a crossover not an SUV.

Sat on one and I can feel the back seat is much roomier compared to CX-5 and CRV but the boot space is... Of a hatchback car. If boot space is not so important, then you can consider this crossover.

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saw the xv at paradigm mall today....not bad actually...very well screwed together....hard plastics here and there but nothing compared to kias or hyundais...surprised....interior is a bit...meh though
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QUOTE(chuakz @ Apr 26 2013, 04:32 PM)
saw the xv at paradigm mall today....not bad actually...very well screwed together....hard plastics here and there but nothing compared to kias or hyundais...surprised....interior is a bit...meh though
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You comparing a Japan car with a Korean one? Interior is a bit ... (what? didnt finish your sentence and which are you referring to? XV, Kias or Hyundais?
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QUOTE(chuakz @ Apr 27 2013, 12:32 AM)
saw the xv at paradigm mall today....not bad actually...very well screwed together....hard plastics here and there but nothing compared to kias or hyundais...surprised....interior is a bit...meh though
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I do agree the interior is a bit bland compare to other car manufacturers as subaru never excels in design. But from practicality standpoint I find it quite well equipped with auto cruise, GPS head unit and reverse camera ( heard they took this off to cut cost ) and the controls are well placed and accessible.

I guess the main selling point is the driving experience. Really wanted to get some time off to test drive as this car is CKD and got a message from the sales agent that it gets quite a good discount under REP programme (below 100k)
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I do agree the interior is a bit bland compare to other car manufacturers as subaru never excels in design. But from practicality standpoint I find it quite well equipped with auto cruise, GPS head unit and reverse camera ( heard they took this off to cut cost ) and the controls are well placed and accessible.

I guess the main selling point is the driving experience. Really wanted to get some time off to test drive as this car is CKD and got a message from the sales agent that it gets quite a good discount under REP programme (below 100k)
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What's REP programme?
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Apr 27 2013, 12:42 AM)
You comparing a Japan car with a Korean one? Interior is a bit ... (what? didnt finish your sentence and which are you referring to? XV, Kias or Hyundais?
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i think i made myself perfectly clear bro...others seem to be able to understand my sentences...anyway....i think its fair to compare jap with korean with conti....y not? As long as if they are in the same class....anyway....there was a kia sportage and sorento on display at paradigm mall today along with xv...xv uses better quality plastics...soft touch...kia...even the sorento....uses hard plastics for even the dashboard....but then...interior of the xv is quite bland...functional....very subaru....of course....koreans tend to fare better in interior design...just lacking in quality...
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QUOTE(chuakz @ Apr 26 2013, 05:07 PM)
i think i made myself perfectly clear bro...others seem to be able to understand my sentences...anyway....i think its fair to compare jap with korean with conti....y not? As long as if they are in the same class....anyway....there was a kia sportage and sorento on display at paradigm mall today along with xv...xv uses better quality plastics...soft touch...kia...even the sorento....uses hard plastics for even the dashboard....but then...interior of the xv is quite bland...functional....very subaru....of course....koreans tend to fare better in interior design...just lacking in quality...
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QUOTE(chuakz @ Apr 27 2013, 01:07 AM)
i think i made myself perfectly clear bro...others seem to be able to understand my sentences...anyway....i think its fair to compare jap with korean with conti....y not? As long as if they are in the same class....anyway....there was a kia sportage and sorento on display at paradigm mall today along with xv...xv uses better quality plastics...soft touch...kia...even the sorento....uses hard plastics for even the dashboard....but then...interior of the xv is quite bland...functional....very subaru....of course....koreans tend to fare better in interior design...just lacking in quality...
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Subaru is just being subaru. Nothing to shout of in terms of design. If compare all of the Japanese car manufacturers, subaru tend to have the most bland design. Design is not their forte. But at least the quality and usability are there smile.gif
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Subaru is just being subaru. Nothing to shout of in terms of design. If compare all of the Japanese car manufacturers, subaru tend to have the most bland design. Design is not their forte. But at least the quality and usability are there smile.gif
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Someone wrote a big lie here.
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Actually Subaru is just being Subaru right?

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I wonder if KIA and Hyundai AWD has this technology that Subaru lies to the consumer about their engine and AWD?

Anyone can comment about this talk-cock?





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I wonder if KIA and Hyundai AWD has this technology that Subaru lies to the consumer about their engine and AWD?

Anyone can comment about this talk-cock?




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Someone wrote a big lie here.
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Actually Subaru is just being Subaru right?
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QUOTE(chuakz @ Apr 27 2013, 12:32 AM)
saw the xv at paradigm mall today....not bad actually...very well screwed together....hard plastics here and there but nothing compared to kias or hyundais...surprised....interior is a bit...meh though
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ya, and the price is just rm129,000. they reduce the price, maybe the old stock from last year.
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Apr 24 2013, 08:54 AM)
and you know what is really sad... 8 out of the 10 subaru impreza wrx/sti you see on the road are JDM grey imports and not the model brought in by Motor Image. Every WRX STi models you see on the road up to version 9 are grey imports as MI only sold WRX models then.
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QUOTE(stinger82 @ Apr 27 2013, 07:34 PM)
i wonder how motor image survives all this while
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Obtw i heard the price reduced to rm125k.

Subaru will be subaru. Kia is nowhere close la..
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Obtw i heard the price reduced to rm125k.

Subaru will be subaru. Kia is nowhere close la..
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Can you get me the contact for rm 125k? I just fame from paradigm and it was 129k+ but didn't get 125k. If I can get 125k I will happy to give you rm 1000 as commission. Pls help me getbat 125k thanks
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Obtw i heard the price reduced to rm125k.

Subaru will be subaru. Kia is nowhere close la..
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Can you get me the contact for rm 125k? I just fame from paradigm and it was 129k+ but didn't get 125k. If I can get 125k I will happy to give you rm 1000 as commission. Pls help me get at 125k thanks
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My fren bought WRX STI from motor image 2 years ago rm290k!
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Can you get me the contact for rm 125k? I just fame from paradigm and it was 129k+ but didn't get 125k. If I can get 125k  I will happy to give you rm 1000 as commission. Pls help me getbat 125k thanks
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Is this price reduction promotion referring to 2013 car ? Is it a one off thing ?
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I wonder if KIA and Hyundai AWD has this technology that Subaru lies to the consumer about their engine and AWD?

Anyone can comment about this talk-cock?




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My fren bought WRX STI from motor image 2 years ago rm290k!
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new car? sedan one? I saw MI only selling Sedan version.
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2 years ago would have been the Ver 10 5 door hatch which the XV is also based upon. There were no sedan Impreza WRX STi 2 years ago, not in MI.
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But the video is for subaru forester. Is it same to xv?
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In my honest opinion, I've driving lots of different types of car. From continental - bmws, Mercs, Audi, alfas to Koreans to Japanese.

No... Am not a car reviewer. Just a fellow car enthusiast!

Subarus sits in between japs and continentals. It's better drive than japs but not as great as continentals. However, maintenance and reliability is far better than contis.

Am driving one for 4 years dy... Longest car I ever own! Haha...

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QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Apr 28 2013, 11:39 AM)
In my honest opinion, I've driving lots of different types of car. From continental - bmws, Mercs, Audi, alfas to Koreans to Japanese.

No... Am not a car reviewer. Just a fellow car enthusiast!

Subarus sits in between japs and continentals. It's better drive than japs but not as great as continentals. However, maintenance and reliability is far better than contis.

Am driving one for 4 years dy... Longest car I ever own! Haha...
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What Subaru are you driving and how about performance parts and service? Can you pls PM me some recommendation on locations and who to look for?
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Apr 28 2013, 07:58 PM)
What Subaru are you driving and how about performance parts and service? Can you pls PM me some recommendation on locations and who to look for?
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Am driving an impreza ver 10. Sorry... Am not a mod kaki. All stock except rims, air filter and unlocking it's speed limiter. In stock, I can reach 240km/h. I know some cars can go beyond 250kmh but am satisfied with it already.

I bring it to service to MI till since this year when I really had enough of their ignorance and incompetence. Now, normal service can be done by any mech. For any technical speciality, can go to LMY in USJ.

There's another Subaru specialist called AE in glenmarie. Haven't tried them yet.


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QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Apr 28 2013, 01:29 PM)
Am driving an impreza ver 10. Sorry... Am not a mod kaki. All stock except rims, air filter and unlocking it's speed limiter. In stock, I can reach 240km/h. I know some cars can go beyond 250kmh but am satisfied with it already.

I bring it to service to MI till since this year when I really had enough of their ignorance and incompetence. Now, normal service can be done by any mech. For any technical speciality, can go to LMY in USJ.

There's another Subaru specialist called AE in glenmarie. Haven't tried them yet.
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Got it

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LMY AUTOMOBILE AND SERVICES SDN BHD
NO. 7 JALAN SS13/3A,
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TEL:03-56380528
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Apr 28 2013, 09:45 PM)
Got it

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It used to be in SUBANG. They have shifted to USJ.

Call them to ask for directions. They are actually near Leon of quicksave.

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Got it

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As mentioned by Revolvolution, AE is in Glenmarie.

I serviced and upgraded my Forester with them.

It stands for AutoEnginuity. You can google up their contact.

They are not bad too. Similar to LMY you will also see a lot of Subarus there.

Normal service is not a problem, but I suspect most of these external Subaru guys have not dealt with the new CVT gear boxes yet. But its under warranty anyway, so I guess there is no reason for you to let external guys handle it in the first place.


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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Apr 27 2013, 08:40 PM)
Can you get me the contact for rm 125k? I just fame from paradigm and it was 129k+ but didn't get 125k. If I can get 125k  I will happy to give you rm 1000 as commission. Pls help me get at 125k thanks
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Yesterday went to the showroom/service centre to book appointment for service ( stupidly forgot the service section closed on Sunday , . Lol ) , askw them about the price reduction , the reply I got was the price reduction is promo for before the election.....(errr)after that back to the normal 150k+ pricing
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QUOTE(sonic_cd @ Apr 29 2013, 03:39 AM)
Yesterday went to the showroom/service centre to book appointment for service ( stupidly forgot the service section closed on Sunday , . Lol ) , askw them about the price reduction , the reply I got was the price reduction is promo for before the election.....(errr)after that back to the normal 150k+ pricing
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Sure 125K? 125?
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Apr 29 2013, 03:20 PM)
Sure 125K? 125?
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129k , not 125 .
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QUOTE(sonic_cd @ Apr 29 2013, 02:02 PM)
129k , not 125 .
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Apr 29 2013, 10:36 PM)
I know but there's an idiot here kevin23
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that stated RM125K that's why Im still waiting for the fool to show up to explain where the fool got the figure 125 from
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dunnot bout him , la , but kinda pissed to know they would drop the price like that ... .. lol
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dunnot bout him , la , but kinda pissed to know they would drop the price like that ... .. lol
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Why? Did you buy it for an earlier higher price or something? Also I dont believe that it is only for pre election 2013. I think thats just bad marketing.

But it also isnt right to reduce price in such a short time bcis only in Jan/Feb they had it at RM15x K and there were a few that bought at this price. What would their reaction be?
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Apr 29 2013, 11:08 PM)
Why? Did you buy it for an earlier higher price or something?  Also I dont believe that it is only for pre election 2013. I think thats just bad marketing.

But it also isnt right to reduce price in such a short time bcis only in Jan/Feb they had it at RM15x K and there were a few that bought at this price. What would their reaction be?
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Not sure if there really is a 125k offer floating around or not.

But my wife was at Paradigm mall last week and was checking out the XV. The sales guy gave her the price of RM 129k. My wife has been eyeing this car and was really looking at it intently. Then apparently the sales guy then told her that if you sign the deposit now, he will definitely give a price that will make her happy. But refused to let her know how much.

As with Subaru in Malaysia under MotorImage, their prices go through large fluctuations. Like when I bought Forester 2.5XT, it was 187k, then the following year it shot up to 238k! Then after 1.5 years, it is now down to RM 178k or something like that. They don't seem to be able to balance their sales price vs client market very well.

And the XV obviously still shows that they are still struggling to do so. Sorry for the guys that bought it at 151k. But the current price of 125k-129k would be about as low as it gets in my opinion, barring any changes to automotive policies.
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QUOTE(joker98 @ Apr 29 2013, 03:24 PM)
Not sure if there really is a 125k offer floating around or not.
Sorry for the guys that bought it at 151k.
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That's really not something regular public like to hear. Especially since I went to MI showroom to book at RM129K when I was told that there were only 30 units at that price by the salesman and the branch manager. Now I hear that it's not 30 units but as many units as sales can go until before 5 5 2013. Later I read here about 125K and then your wife encounter with the Paradigm showcase of the salesman 'making your wife happy' (actually that's your full time job);

Now, who's gonna make me happy???
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I think there are no 151k as from day one, it was 139k as introductory price. Then the 129k. (Both excludes insurance)

Still haven't seen one on the road :-p although my wife has seen two.
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Apr 29 2013, 11:08 PM)
Why? Did you buy it for an earlier higher price or something?  Also I dont believe that it is only for pre election 2013. I think thats just bad marketing.

But it also isnt right to reduce price in such a short time bcis only in Jan/Feb they had it at RM15x K and there were a few that bought at this price. What would their reaction be?
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as i mentioned in this thread earlier (about 2 page i think ) the first 200 bookings will get a 6k discount of the base price of 150/151k so is paying about 144k , which is the price i got it at . ..
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QUOTE(sonic_cd @ Apr 29 2013, 04:41 PM)
as i mentioned in this thread earlier (about 2 page i think ) the first 200 bookings will get a 6k discount of the base price of 150/151k so is paying about 144k , which is the price i got it at . ..
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So you officially paid at RM144K but now the price is 129K (w.o insurance), still, it's cheaper now merely in a couple of months after you bought it, how does that make you feel or did you get 'something' the 'backdoor' way that makes you not angry at the situation?
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Apr 30 2013, 12:43 AM)
So you officially paid at RM144K but now the price is 129K (w.o insurance), still, it's cheaper now merely in a couple of months after you bought it, how does that make you feel or did you get 'something' the 'backdoor' way that makes you not angry at the situation?
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well saving more would have been nicer .. though untill it was mentioned the price reached 129k, thought the price i paid was the lowest ... lol.. anyways can do anything about it .,already though wonder if the price reduction is anything to do with the upcoming crv 2.4 launch or not ...
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QUOTE(sonic_cd @ Apr 29 2013, 04:46 PM)
well saving more would have been nicer .. though untill it was mentioned the price reached 129k, thought the price i paid was the lowest ... lol.. anyways can do anything about it .,already though wonder if the price reduction is anything to do with the upcoming crv 2.4 launch or not ...
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Point me to the Subaru XV forum. Which is it?
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QUOTE(sonic_cd @ Apr 30 2013, 12:46 AM)
well saving more would have been nicer .. though untill it was mentioned the price reached 129k, thought the price i paid was the lowest ... lol.. anyways can do anything about it .,already though wonder if the price reduction is anything to do with the upcoming crv 2.4 launch or not ...
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The 2.4 price range is in a different league all together...I doubt that was the reason....

It may well be just some sales targets that they have not met for Malaysia or SEA markets and they are trying to push it out....or they know something we don't about the post-election car policy changes (if any)...
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ Apr 30 2013, 12:49 AM)
Point me to the Subaru XV forum. Which is it?
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was mentioned in this thread wat the price ..



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The 2.4 price range is in a different league all together...I doubt that was the reason....

It may well be just some sales targets that they have not met for Malaysia or SEA markets and they are trying to push it out....or they know something we don't about the post-election car policy changes (if any)...
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maybe
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The official launch price is 145,800 ...

Did you get a special CBU at 151k ?

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I heard the price reduction was due to some items like reverse camera was taken out to cut the cost

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I heard the price reduction was due to some items like reverse camera was taken out to cut the cost
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Reverse camera only a few hundred rm to install a new one, is it worth for them to take out the RC and drop the price a few thousand rm?
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Reverse cam was always an optional item, just that as promo with the 139k pricing, it included the reverse cam, the 2k service voucher & cant remember.

Not important, 129,800 is now! :-p
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Got our car today - like welcoming a new member to the family.

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nice car! i really love the boxer engine!
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nice car! i really love the boxer engine!
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And which part of the boxer engine do you like?
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And which part of the boxer engine do you like?
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the conrod....
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the conrod....
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the conrod ? sure you not trolling ar ? XD
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the conrod ? sure you not trolling ar ? XD
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It's master Troll KCNG.. what else did you expect?
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QUOTE(mechanicalKB @ May 2 2013, 10:24 PM)
Got our car today - like welcoming a new member to the family.

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Congrats...!!!

I love Scoobies... they are good cars!

Let us know how this CKD version performs! in terms of specs and quality..


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And which part of the boxer engine do you like?
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Of course the engine design. I used to own impreza sedan (2009 model) for 3 years in singapore, the time i own a 1.5 version. Frankly it is a bit underpower but compare to its rival like altis or civic 1.6 (malaysia dun have, only singapore have 1.6/1.5 version), this subaru engine is smooth and willing to rev, even rev to 5000rpm the engine is smooth and do not feel stretch.

I am not sure this 2.0 on XV has enough power o not, but rest assure that in high way crusing even above 160km/h it can still feel stable and confidence.

Just my thought, haha icon_idea.gif
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Congratulations, I took mine earlier this week also.

The boxer engine is definitely very free revving and with power delivery rather linear. The CVT is miles ahead of my old City and much more livelier than the Teana's.

Verdict: It's a VERY basic car and the only plus points are the handling (tested a few high riding vehicles including CX-5, the XV is miles ahead) and the free revving and sweet sounding boxer engine. Not that keen on the whining sound of the CVT but it does mimic the "gear" change rather well when in "manual" mode.

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QUOTE(ikttan @ May 3 2013, 02:32 PM)
Congratulations, I took mine earlier this week also.

The boxer engine is definitely very free revving and with power delivery rather linear.  The CVT is miles ahead of my old City and much more livelier than the Teana's.

Verdict:  It's a VERY basic car and the only plus points are the handling (tested a few high riding vehicles including CX-5, the XV is miles ahead) and the free revving and sweet sounding boxer engine.  Not that keen on the whining sound of the CVT but it does mimic the "gear" change rather well when in "manual" mode.
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But unfortunately with NA boxer engine does not have the Subaru burble like those found in Impreza WRX as you have equal length exhaust headers. The sound of the famous Subaru burble comes from the unequal length of the exhaust headers and not the engine.
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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ May 3 2013, 03:22 PM)
But unfortunately with NA boxer engine does not have the Subaru burble like those found in Impreza WRX as you have equal length exhaust headers. The sound of the famous Subaru burble comes from the unequal length of the exhaust headers and not the engine.
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It's a girl girl car so its the wife's. we men drive something noisier and never use signals cut queue without care- boxer or no, men are king of the kl/pj roads especially in our myvis

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where is 125k guy... really interested yo
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where is 125k guy... really interested yo
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cabut already i guess ...
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cabut already i guess ...
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I have been to Subaru showroom a few times over the past 2 weeks to sort out my Forester.

I don't think there is 125k from what I see. 129.8k before OTR additions is the best I have seen there.
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Subaru XV is nice looking car, but aside from the AWD and boxer engine, the cheap plastic is quite overwhelming.

Give and take I suppose.
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Haha! I always feel happy for people receiving their new pride and joy, especially for those who take family photos with it.

Congrats!
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QUOTE(lkhoe @ Jun 3 2013, 02:16 PM)
Subaru XV is nice looking car, but aside from the AWD and boxer engine, the cheap plastic is quite overwhelming.

Give and take I suppose.
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You're right. When you sit inside, everything is plastic khok khok khokk... cheap pasar malam plastik. cheap cheap cheap car

Summary for everyone: This is just an expensive Myvi. You can get 2 or 3 Myvis for the price of this junk and yet fly faster and get in and out between traffic faster with our so loved Myvi. The XV even looks like Myvi!

Verdict: Only if you want to be fooled

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get a raptor supercharge & underpower issue settle..
tadaaaaa!
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get a raptor supercharge & underpower issue settle..
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Is the Raptor Supercharger available and are there any installers here in Malaysia?
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availabe in aussie & europe c/w with install & tune but i dunno here in malaysia. they already receive order from indonesia.

IF & IF i were to go for this underpower XV i'm planning for this raptor or MRT custom ECU tuning or by that time maybe sprintex supercharge already come out for XV..

just wait & see

my personal opinion XV only lack underpower. other that is fine for me.
to say XV should come with 200hp/280nm.
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QUOTE(PadeGP @ Jun 3 2013, 02:54 PM)
availabe in aussie & europe c/w with install & tune but i dunno here in malaysia. they already receive order from indonesia.

IF & IF i were to go for this underpower XV i'm planning for this raptor or MRT custom ECU tuning or by that time maybe sprintex supercharge already come out for XV..

just wait & see

my personal opinion XV only lack underpower. other that is fine for me.
to say XV should come with 200hp/280nm.
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But Service Centre told me that once you install any, any modifications at all, the manufacturer warranty for everything immediately voids. You will have to be very generous to let it void or you would have to love the performance gain so much more than anything else
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But Service Centre told me that once you install any, any modifications at all, the manufacturer warranty for everything immediately voids.  You will have to be very generous to let it void or you would have to love the performance gain so much more than anything else
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of coz la void bro.. u have to choose power or warranty. if cannot go for 190K forestor XT 250hp or tiguan 250K 210hp or Q3 300K+ 200hp+

its your choice bro... want more power cash out more money lorh...
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QUOTE(PadeGP @ Jun 3 2013, 03:04 PM)
of coz la void bro.. u have to choose power or warranty. if cannot go for 190K forestor XT 250hp or tiguan 250K 210hp or Q3 300K+ 200hp+

its your choice bro... want more power cash out more money lorh...
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Not to mention the CVT transmission in the XV is not high torque version like the new legacy/forester. So adding siginificantly more power with a supercharger may shorten the lifespan of the transmission. XV not designed for that purpose.

Also after I sat in bmw X1, I actually think the soft touch plastic dash is not so bad. X1 really ridiculous plastic quality given the price.
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Not to mention the CVT transmission in the XV is not high torque version like the new legacy/forester. So adding siginificantly more power with a supercharger may shorten the lifespan of the transmission. XV not designed for that purpose.

Also after I sat in bmw X1, I actually think the soft touch plastic dash is not so bad. X1 really ridiculous plastic quality given the price.
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yes confirm shorten the lifespan... but put aside factory safety factor.. i think that cvt still can handle another additional around 50Nm. that should be enough for fun driving.

raptor set for 7 psi @ 0.5 bar + retune ecu
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yes confirm shorten the lifespan... but put aside factory safety factor.. i think that cvt still can handle another additional around 50Nm. that should be enough for fun driving.

raptor set for 7 psi @ 0.5 bar + retune ecu
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I think you are right....it should be able to take that. I increased my previous Forester turbo by about 65-70BHP with the 4 gear auto transmission and did not have any problems with it.

So if following the same style, Subaru probably over engineered this CVT slightly as well.

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i couldnt find any authorized service centre anywhere online after googled for a while...
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i couldnt find any authorized service centre anywhere online after googled for a while...
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uh? the page only lists showrooms and authorized dealers. not service centres....
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dude, call those number of the sales and ask them provide the closest convenient to you.
I did that.
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okie okie. thanks man.
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uh? the page only lists showrooms and authorized dealers. not service centres....
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Done my 1k, 1st service today.

For reference..the bill.. Sorry, pls tilt your head to read... tongue.gif

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test drove the car yesterday. other than superb handling and cornering, the rest just feels like normal car. the only minus point is the small boot.

surprisingly the service interval is every 10k and the price is around RM300++ to RM600++ range.
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test drove the car yesterday. other than superb handling and cornering, the rest just feels like normal car. the only minus point is the small boot.

surprisingly the service interval is every 10k and the price is around RM300++ to RM600++ range.
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QUOTE(chizzu @ Jun 13 2013, 04:45 PM)
test drove the car yesterday. other than superb handling and cornering, the rest just feels like normal car. the only minus point is the small boot.

surprisingly the service interval is every 10k and the price is around RM300++ to RM600++ range.
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i had exactly the same thought as you when i first test drove it back in march...

it was only after my 2nd test drive last week i fell for the car. before that i tested kuga, cx5 and sportage, and you could feel the differences.

for suv, feel like normal car is a plus point. the others are more like driving an underpowered lorry. biggrin.gif
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is 300 plus to 600 plus considered high? compared to other cars?
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for mitsubishi lancer, it cost just around 300 or less parts+labor.

so subaru is slightly on the highside without labor but engine oil takes 5L compare to 4~4.2L for the lancer.

i think it is still acceptable.
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i had exactly the same thought as you when i first test drove it back in march...

it was only after my 2nd test drive last week i fell for the car. before that i tested kuga, cx5 and sportage, and you could feel the differences.

for suv, feel like normal car is a plus point. the others are more like driving an underpowered lorry.  biggrin.gif
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Bro...does Kuga feel like underpowered lorry with all that torque? I haven't tested it yet, but I would have thought it would be one of the better drives, with all that low end torque, out of the lot?
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Not really. It's good since the interval is 10k as opposed to 5k

Also quite impressed with rpm below 2k at 110km/h on 6th gear.

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Not really. It's good since the interval is 10k as opposed to 5k
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ASX, CX-5, sportage etc. All service interval is 10K km.
However, all of it only use 4liter engine oil. One of the reason why service cost of XV is higher (need 5ltr).
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Bro...does Kuga feel like underpowered lorry with all that torque? I haven't tested it yet, but I would have thought it would be one of the better drives, with all that low end torque, out of the lot?
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I dont think so lah. Kuga power & handling also good. "underpower lorry" is exaggerated

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QUOTE(joker98 @ Jun 13 2013, 05:13 PM)
Bro...does Kuga feel like underpowered lorry with all that torque? I haven't tested it yet, but I would have thought it would be one of the better drives, with all that low end torque, out of the lot?
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luckily kuga has higher power and torque... on its 1682kg body... i think its heaviest in the class (small/mid suv).

that's a pretty heavy car... the torque is good and you can feel it... but once it passed 4k rpm... you dont feel it anymore.

i dont mind having a kuga too... but its price is pretty much on the high side. sad.gif


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I dont think so lah. Kuga power & handling also good. "underpower lorry" is exaggerated
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to me, its handling is like other suv. nothing special though.
but i agree "underpower lorry" is exaggerated... LOL... i didnt realized that phrase, i added in kuga after i completed the sentence.

in short driving the xv is feeling like the lancer. you should know what i mean for us ex-lancerians...
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Hi, is the boot space really small? How is it compare to Honda civic FD?
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luckily kuga has higher power and torque... on its 1682kg body... i think its heaviest in the class (small/mid suv).

that's a pretty heavy car...  the torque is good and you can feel it... but once it passed 4k rpm... you dont feel it anymore.

i dont mind having a kuga too... but its price is pretty much on the high side. sad.gif
to me, its handling is like other suv. nothing special though.
but i agree "underpower lorry" is exaggerated... LOL... i didnt realized that phrase, i added in kuga after i completed the sentence.

in short driving the xv is feeling like the lancer. you should know what i mean for us ex-lancerians...
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But I guess the low end torque of the Kuga should suffice for zipping effortlessly around in our urban areas. Definitely not enough to rip up roads at the top end of the speedometer.

Saw another white XV on the road today. The white really makes this XV shine on the road in my opinion. If I was on the lookout for a small crossover, I think I would have picked the XV too with Kuga coming in a close 2nd if budget permitted.
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Hi, is the boot space really small? How is it compare to Honda civic FD?
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It's really really small. Comparable to Golf perhaps? Since it is based on imprezza hatchback
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A width at lower gate opening 35"
B cargo floor width behind wheel wells 53"
C cargo floor width between wheel wells 42"
D width of left rear seat 17"
E width on top of wheel wells 49"
F width in middle of rear gate opening 37"
G cargo length to back of seat 31"
H height of gate opening 29"
I cargo length to console heater controls 94"
J height center cargo floor to ceiling 30"
K cargo floor length to top of rear seat, not including headrests 55"
L width of right rear seat 25"

Source from http://www.cars101.com/subaru/crosstrek/crosstrek2013.html
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Hi, is the boot space really small? How is it compare to Honda civic FD?
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I my opinion smaller than civic FD but same size wt civic hybrid FB.
Theoretically on paper, it may show 20+ cubic feet. But I dont think U want to put yr baggage until u cannot see back window. So in term practicaliy, it may same wt sedan 10-13 cubic feet boot.
I test Honda Civic Hybrid square boot tray, it fit nicely in XV.
Sportage boot about the same but 3"/2" bigger in each size.

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the boot space is so small even my kancil has more space. why pay so much for a small suv when you have so many others of the same price with better specs and features?
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A width at lower gate opening 35"
B cargo floor width behind wheel wells 53"
C cargo floor width between wheel wells 42"
D width of left rear seat 17"
E width on top of wheel wells 49"
F width in middle of rear gate opening 37"
G cargo length to back of seat 31"
H height of gate opening 29"
I  cargo length to console heater controls 94"
J height center cargo floor to ceiling 30"
K cargo floor length to top of rear seat, not including headrests 55"
L width of right rear seat 25"

Source from http://www.cars101.com/subaru/crosstrek/crosstrek2013.html
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hmmm... ya wor. so the height is different by maybe a few inches if we compare the wheel arc there...

but then again i am curious... the opening is flat on both pictures. Both flat surface aligned to the opening of the boot...

someone who has gotten the car maybe can measure. heh..
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the boot looks seriously small.. instantly will write off the list if i'm looking for suv.. not so practical
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its a crossover and not an SUV to start with...
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its a crossover and not an SUV to start with...
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SUV/crossover terms are vague.. even in some car reviews CRV is mentioned as crossover.. so the boot space comparison etc still valid
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There are two type of SUVs
1) Crossover SUV
2) Truck based SUV

No such thing crossover but not SUV in automotive industry.
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anyone knows what XV stands for? is it like meaning of 15?
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Xover Vehicle maybe? smile.gif

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possibly cross(X)over Vehicle?
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The Crosstrek name (the "XV" stands, Subaru says, for crossover vehicle) is a new label for a model that's significantly different, both visually and functionally, from the compact hatchback Impreza it's based on.
source from http://www.thecarconnection.com/cars/subaru_xv-crosstrek

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SUV/crossover terms are vague.. even in some car reviews CRV is mentioned as crossover.. so the boot space comparison etc still valid
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Not valid comparison. A crossover is when you take the platform of an existing sedan (in the case of the XV, it is based on the Subaru Impreza hatchback platform) and then jack up the suspension and roof. CRV is not based on any Honda Sedan platform, therefore it is in the SUV category, which you compare it with the Subaru Tribeca and not the XV.

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Not valid comparison. A crossover is when you take the platform of an existing sedan (in the case of the XV, it is based on the Subaru Impreza hatchback platform) and then jack up the suspension and roof. CRV is not based on any Honda Sedan platform, therefore it is in the SUV category, which you compare it with the Subaru Tribeca and not the XV.
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ok so means those looking for small SUV shouldn't look at this XV at all.. diff category... no need to compare.. got it
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Assuming in 3 years time I want to sell / trade in.

Will the resale value % for XV be worse than Sportage or CRV ? So hard to find any one the road. Why
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Assuming in 3 years time I want to sell / trade in.

Will the resale value %  for XV be worse than Sportage or CRV ?  So hard to find any one the road.  Why
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korean cars will have the best resale value. look for kia hyundai etc not this myvi-lookalike
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ok so means those looking for small SUV shouldn't look at this XV at all.. diff category... no need to compare.. got it
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I think you should still compare whatever car strikes your fancy, irregardless of the 'category' or 'class' of the car. Each model is just a vehicle of different, size, specs etc.

Most importantly, sit in it, feel it, test drive it and see which model fits your needs best or which model do you have to compromise the least, as I believe a perfect match does not exist. You can come close but it will never be perfect for any individual.


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I think you should still compare whatever car strikes your fancy, irregardless of the 'category' or 'class' of the car. Each model is just a vehicle of different, size, specs etc.

Most importantly, sit in it, feel it, test drive it and see which model fits your needs best or which model do you have to compromise the least, as I believe a perfect match does not exist. You can come close but it will never be perfect for any individual.
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finally got someone who understand..totally agree..what's with cannot compare this crossover to that SUV coz not valid comparison diff category bla bla etc etc.. if ppl looking for handling AWD and stuffs..surely will look at this car..and ppl looking for practicality boot space etc will look elsewhere..the small boot space of XV is a fact regardless ppl looking for crossover or SUV as what u wanna call it.. let the buyer judge and decide
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I suggest TS permit and collect the names of members here that own the Subaru XV. That way, owners can help answer queries (they should know or have experienced the features since they own the car) and those whom are interested to know more about this car can have a channel to ask.

That is what a forum is for right?
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Well... if u worry about resale value. Go for crv then.

Some how u have to make your priority list. Which is more important. U want features? Resale value? Handling? Power? Price? Or whatever.

There is no best of all those unless the price is high. Your make your choice and I made mine.
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post Jun 15 2013, 12:04 PM


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To date there are a few crossovers in Malaysian market

Mitsubishi ASX - lancer platform
Pug 3008 - 308 platform
Subaru XV - imprezza hatch platform

The rest like CX5 and CRV are proper (compact?) SUV
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QUOTE(chizzu @ Jun 15 2013, 12:04 PM)
To date there are a few crossovers in Malaysian market

Mitsubishi ASX - lancer platform
Pug 3008 - 308 platform
Subaru XV - imprezza hatch platform

The rest like CX5 and CRV are proper (compact?) SUV
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There is also VW Cross-touran and BMW X1. Not sure if they are cross overs from other model platforms. But they share same engine as their non-SUV models and their size are also similar to the other cross-over models. Then if you look further down the price range, there is Toyota Rush and Nissan X-gear. If you look up the price range, there is Audi Q3. I think purely in terms of size, these are also within the cross-over size range, regardless of whether they actually used a sedan sibling platform.

For CX-5, I actually think it is neither here nor there.

Cos if you look at the various brands in Malaysia who do have a range of these cross overs and SUVs like:

VW: Cross touran, Tiguan, Touareg
Audi: Q3, Q5 ,Q7
BMW: X1, X3, X5
Subaru: XV, Forester, Outback
Nissan: X-gear, X-trail, Murano
Mazda: CX-5, CX-7, CX-9
Kia: Sportage, Sorento
Hyundai: Tucson, Santa Fe

So the CX-5 should be bigger than Q3, X1, XV, X-gear, Cross-touran. But on the other hand, I think it is smaller than Tiguan, Q5, X3, Forester, Sportage and Tucson (though not by much). Yet it sits as the smallest of the Mazda SUV range. So I think the various brands have actually blurred these marketing definitions so much that if we have to start using adjectives in front of the category like compact SUV, premium SUV, standard SUV etc etc., then categories have become meaningless.

Peugeots and Citroens don't even look like SUVs. It looks like some offspring from a Wagon father and a SUV mother with 1 or 2 of the grand parents that were Cross-overs. Even though I do like their design, but I cannot make myself classify them into any specific category. I own a Citroen by the way.

That's why I think one really have to just look at each model individually and cast away the so called category or class definitions. Just look at it plainly without all the frills and judge it against your most important criteria as mentioned by Freddie.

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QUOTE(joker98 @ Jun 15 2013, 03:55 PM)
There is also VW Cross-touran and BMW X1. Not sure if they are cross overs from other model platforms. But they share same engine as their non-SUV models and their size  are also similar to the other cross-over models. Then if you look further down the price range, there is Toyota Rush and Nissan X-gear. If you look up the price range, there is Audi Q3. I think purely in terms of size, these are also within the cross-over size range, regardless of whether they actually used a sedan sibling platform.

For CX-5, I actually think it is neither here nor there.

Cos if you look at the various brands in Malaysia who do have a range of these cross overs and SUVs like:

VW: Cross touran, Tiguan, Touareg
Audi: Q3, Q5 ,Q7
BMW: X1, X3, X5
Subaru: XV, Forester, Outback
Nissan: X-gear, X-trail, Murano
Mazda: CX-5, CX-7, CX-9
Kia: Sportage, Sorento
Hyundai: Tucson, Santa Fe

So the CX-5 should be bigger than Q3, X1, XV, X-gear, Cross-touran. But on the other hand, I think it is smaller than Tiguan, Q5, X3, Forester, Sportage and Tucson (though not by much). Yet it sits as the smallest of the Mazda SUV range. So I think the various brands have actually blurred these marketing definitions so much that if we have to start using adjectives in front of the category like compact SUV, premium SUV, standard SUV etc etc., then categories have become meaningless.

Peugeots and Citroens don't even look like SUVs. It looks like some offspring from a Wagon father and a SUV mother with 1 or 2 of the grand parents that were Cross-overs. Even though I do like their design, but I cannot make myself classify them into any specific category. I own a Citroen by the way.

That's why I think one really have to just look at each model individually and cast away the so called category or class definitions. Just look at it plainly without all the frills and judge it against your most important criteria as mentioned by Freddie.
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If I not mistaken , Toyota used to sell the rav4 here ...

IMO if you can afford it and like it , by all means go get whatever car ..

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QUOTE(joker98 @ Jun 15 2013, 03:55 PM)
There is also VW Cross-touran and BMW X1. Not sure if they are cross overs from other model platforms. But they share same engine as their non-SUV models and their size  are also similar to the other cross-over models. Then if you look further down the price range, there is Toyota Rush and Nissan X-gear. If you look up the price range, there is Audi Q3. I think purely in terms of size, these are also within the cross-over size range, regardless of whether they actually used a sedan sibling platform.

For CX-5, I actually think it is neither here nor there.

Cos if you look at the various brands in Malaysia who do have a range of these cross overs and SUVs like:

VW: Cross touran, Tiguan, Touareg
Audi: Q3, Q5 ,Q7
BMW: X1, X3, X5
Subaru: XV, Forester, Outback
Nissan: X-gear, X-trail, Murano
Mazda: CX-5, CX-7, CX-9
Kia: Sportage, Sorento
Hyundai: Tucson, Santa Fe

So the CX-5 should be bigger than Q3, X1, XV, X-gear, Cross-touran. But on the other hand, I think it is smaller than Tiguan, Q5, X3, Forester, Sportage and Tucson (though not by much). Yet it sits as the smallest of the Mazda SUV range. So I think the various brands have actually blurred these marketing definitions so much that if we have to start using adjectives in front of the category like compact SUV, premium SUV, standard SUV etc etc., then categories have become meaningless.

Peugeots and Citroens don't even look like SUVs. It looks like some offspring from a Wagon father and a SUV mother with 1 or 2 of the grand parents that were Cross-overs. Even though I do like their design, but I cannot make myself classify them into any specific category. I own a Citroen by the way.

That's why I think one really have to just look at each model individually and cast away the so called category or class definitions. Just look at it plainly without all the frills and judge it against your most important criteria as mentioned by Freddie.
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I wouldn't call the Cross Touran a crossover. It's a Touran MPV (which is actually pretty good handling) with 7 seats (the rear ones are worse than Alza though), that's been given unpainted plastic bumpers (looks tough...) and a slight lift.

The C4 Aircross looks a bit SUVish though, and so does the 4008. They are pretty much identical to the Mitsubishi ASX.

Anyway, forget those classes, they are all mixed up these days anyway.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jun 15 2013, 05:47 PM)
I wouldn't call the Cross Touran a crossover. It's a Touran MPV (which is actually pretty good handling) with 7 seats (the rear ones are worse than Alza though), that's been given unpainted plastic bumpers (looks tough...) and a slight lift.

The C4 Aircross looks a bit SUVish though, and so does the 4008. They are pretty much identical to the Mitsubishi ASX.

Anyway, forget those classes, they are all mixed up these days anyway.
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Exactly...

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