hard to say. Its normal if in d mode, complete stop,rpm is lower than neutral idling. But the chocking part isnt normal, n rpm at 1k rpm in neutral when complete stop is not normal. It shud be around 850+- a abit rpm.

Seems the idling tuning isnt right. Assuming all in stock, just send to sc, if involve any part replacement, its foc. But if u have a minor mode, even vs@firestorm@what soever, just unplug it temporarily when send to sc, coz it can become troublesome when claiming part under warranty.

add one more factor during emergency brake, tyres grip :-) bye.

just to kacau dares :-), many things need to consider even vehicle dynamic. However, if me, i just change to a better brake oil,pad n tyre. Why, coz major parts warranty still intact, cheapest, n for tyre, not only help to reduce braking distance, but for wet n dry traction during driving. Unless u need more brake power. Abs alone, abs with ba, with ebd, or couple with esp n traction cntrl give diff braking result. But most major part of course the rotor, size, types of disc, pads, all need to count b4 getting better braking power. Vehicle dynamic also contribute in such how the car react, the weight, down force n etc.

Dont get mad dares, just happy to see u in saga thread even u already upgrading :-). Thats truly friendship. Bye.

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Added on November 5, 2012, 8:39 pmjust to kacau dares :-), many things need to consider even vehicle dynamic. However, if me, i just change to a better brake oil,pad n tyre. Why, coz major parts warranty still intact, cheapest, n for tyre, not only help to reduce braking distance, but for wet n dry traction during driving. Unless u need more brake power. Abs alone, abs with ba, with ebd, or couple with esp n traction cntrl give diff braking result. But most major part of course the rotor, size, types of disc, pads, all need to count b4 getting better braking power. Vehicle dynamic also contribute in such how the car react, the weight, down force n etc.

Dont get mad dares, just happy to see u in saga thread even u already upgrading :-). Thats truly friendship. Bye.

This post has been edited by mat79: Nov 5 2012, 08:39 PM

no lah dares, i completely agree with u,just add more factors into equation only. I said dont get mad bcoz i used the word 'to kacau dares'. I really afraid that i offended u with the word only :-) coz i never good in making jokes :-). I really happy that u keep in touch with those in saga thread.

sorry david, dont really know, it just i know there are preset index using letters n numbers to show which part is default@error, like index page in a book. it may shows default on engine, gbox, electrical n maybe communication. All has its own unique coding. Normally, in big sc, they have the log book on the fault@error code which make it easier to them to trace on which is at fault n which other part related to the fault. but the main probs is there is no code emerge, then need to do the old way, trial n error method using own knowledge n experience of course.

Even i still amaze on how electric signal can be transmitted into reading numbers n coding :-). Tech sometimes can be a pain to understand. only those who are specific into the field do understand how it works. Me, just a layman knowledge only. Sincere appology cant help u in this matter.

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Added on November 6, 2012, 7:50 am1st n foremost, i want to appologize to all if my words here isnt related to this thread. Just sharing my thought only. Original route which saga replacement will surface at 2014, underpinning the same platform with global small car project. Many cars being consider as benchmark such micra, fiesta,polo n etc, but still need futher consideration to proceed. Since drb took over, the direction only being revealed in the future n maybe diff from what had been planned b4 hand.

On how car was design n develop to comform with all standards n requirements, defer to each other depending on cash available, future sales prediction, man power, time, constraints n etc.

Previously, prtn knows it had many adheres to face,in order to achieve its goal. While others enjoying can be consider as unlimited cash, man power n etc, but prtn just a small fry among the giants.

While the japs can do better in crashtest development without relying too much on material choosen, with sales of millions per product life cycle, with billions to spend in rnd, they can make the cost lower per product.

While prtn knows that they dont have as much as the japs, rectifying the crashtest development too many times is really a cost to consider coz normally, a handbuilt prototype can cost easily 1 million perunit. So, in order to achieve better in that dept, prtn need to consider most effective cost efficient method in development, but it really become a cost in car per unit, by opt for better n stronger material such hpf steel, which is expensive than uhtss, and this hpf also supposed to be in any prtn future cars in order to capitalised all the investment buying the machine.

Make an ambitious design is an easy job for most designers, but meeting the engineering aspect plus limited cost is really hard. The best thing to do is to do a design which they know the best that conform with engineering aspect and cost targeted n feasibility to make into production without adding any additional cost that will exceeding original cost target. If cost is no object, then they dont have such limit to rectifying the design so many times after doing crashtest development until the engineering aspect can be blend into such design, not withstanding any design rules n regulations that need to follow.

This post has been edited by mat79: Nov 6 2012, 07:50 AM

its hard to convey the message to public, coz its not they fault to not understand. Its generally everyone want the best for what they spend.

and dares, i really afraid actually in any word i offended anyone, especially u n david, thats why i keep appologising if i use word that i rarely used. I hope to see our friendship blooming overtime. Sincere appology to all. Hopefully to see u all in the future. Regards...it times to depart anyway. Bye n farewell then.