they are selling this phone in near cost price, they are targeting ppl buying apps from the play store, it's like genting organizing concerts but loosing money on every one of them, only to be covered by other types of revenues (f&b, hotel and casino)

that's why android 4.2 got photosphere, we can all help build street view in Malaysia with it

u mean the normal navigation, not the voice turn by turn navigation right?

i tried it before, not really good. i'm sticking with Sygic.

i thought the 8mp camera is from Sony and is different from that 13mp from the G? The sony's sensor supposed to be one of the best on the market

sorry to disappoint u, but if u r talking about services (warranty claim, customer service etc.), not many company can compete with APPLE, especially not small players (mobile products) like LG. but if u r talking about the functionality of the device itself, then u r safe, u will love Nexus devices. and I hunger for LG Nexus for a long time because LG makes (one of) the best hardware on the market, the build quality is tip top (even if it's plastic) and it's IPS screen is better than Samsung's super AMOLED (in my personal opinion), the colour is just amazing and very natural. The worst bit of LG is it's slow updates but being a Nexus, it solves all its flaws. this is the perfect phone for me.

no competition, u can't compare a Nexus with any other android phones. I will only get a Nexus. all other android phones are crap because u won't know when the manufacturer will 'forget' to update them, just like the Desire HD I'm using now, it was the flagship of HTC and HTC denied us the ICS update. and my other phone, the LG Optimus 2X hasn't even got any news about it's ICS update yet, it's THAT BAD. both phones also now using custom JB roms.

me also waiting for official price here. if more than RM1.5k straight call family in Aus to get it for me, only A$350, cheap cheap, and they will deliver the phones to me in person next month, postage also no need.

don't know yet, if my cousin can get few more units, will post it here. now not confirm yet

vanilla android vs touchpiss? no competition, vanilla wins every single time. build quality? LG wins every single time (coming from a LG owner). updates? Nexus wins every single time.

if u can live with just 16gb (which 90% of the owners do) and no need to change battery, again, no competition, the N4 wins

if your eyes are functioning properly, u should see that touchpiss is a really ugly UI, the fonts are ugly, the design is ugly, it doesn't do that beautiful screen justice until u flash it with a different rom or use a launcher to cover it up completely.

secondly, touchpiss WILL LAG eventually no matter how many cores it has (not just with Samsung, HTC One X also the same). when u first got the phone, it's empty, so WOW IT'S SO FUCXING SMOOTH!!! but after 2-3 months when u fill up the space in it with tons of apps and stuff, the phone will feel the weight because touchpiss is already very heavy with bloatware and useless apps that samsung installed. do u know y all the new samsung comes out with 2gb of RAM? it's not by choice, it's a freaking necessity for their devices. the Nexus 4 has 2gb of RAM because its the next step for a flagship phone, the Note 2 has 2gb because it NEEDS it to function properly or else u will just complain why the phone hangs so often. This is where Vanilla android comes in, i'm using it on my Desire HD, a single core phone 2 years old, with tons of stuff in it (my 16gb sd card almost full, and has almost 50 apps) and the performance embarrasses the stock touchpiss Note 1 and Galaxy S2.

thirdly, u know when iphone users say they will get newest updates together with the rest of the world? Same in the Nexus line (except for some US phones that are locked). there is bound to be one day that your friend who has a Nexus (preferably the old old Nexus S) will ask you (who bought the Note 2) did you get newest (major) update yet? he / she got it yesterday! but u will still need to wait 2-3 months for your 'flagship' samsung touchpiss phone. it hasn't happen yet (or u won't be considering the Note 2), until u experienced the frustration of not getting the newest updates, u won't know the pain.

and finally, if u get the Note 2, u will be the same as the rest of those millions of ppl out there who has the same huge piece of plastic, just like the iphone users. it's not really unique and special anymore. the best thing about the Nexus (in malaysia at least) is that almost nobody knows about it. go to any phone stall or shop and ask, even they don't know. I've tried a few times with my LG O2X (my 2nd phone), and showed it to those ppl, they were shocked because it's very unique, special and the screen is just nicer to look at than the fake SAMOLED colours. and when u hold an LG phone, u will feel it's so well built, not just 2 thin plastics hamburgered together the motherboard, stick a samsung badge (and huge price tag) on it and call it a flagship phone.

actually i'm very biased. i hate touchpiss a lot as u can see in my post. but if the note 2 coupled with a vanilla rom, it'll be quite good. and don't forget, after 2 years, samsung will forget their flagship phone, u will never get major updates after that. Nexus will still keep getting it until the spec is too low to keep up with the updates, that time if u r still using it, custom roms will still be in development

u r correct, i do agree with u to some point. that's why in my previous post i said "if u can't live with not changing the battery and no sd card, buy other phones". about the battery easy to break, it really depends on how u protect it (and sometimes your luck), don't overcharge the battery, don't use it until it completely empty etc and u will have a long lasting battery. i had so many different smartphones before, some i still kept it (because the resell value is 0, and their batteries still work, non of them have battery issues.

about 'out of the box easy use', the Nexus line of devices are all very simple, straightforward to use, it doesn't get any user friendlier than that. u don't have to worry about updates, u don't have to figure out how to use those bloatware (it is confusing sometimes), it is the most user friendly devices in the world.

the apps that samsung (or any manufacturer) develops by itself (the ideas) mostly came from the play store (only a few is unique), u can find alternatives in the play store easily. don't forget, u r using a smartphone, if u don't know how to find and install an app in the store, what's the point of having a smartphone? if u really need those apps in touchpiss and can fully utilize them (like the spen functioning drawing app), then by all means no one is stopping u, but how many users really needs them? after fooling around for a while, the app just sits there doing nothing, which means it's useless, which means it became bloatware and hogging the phone of it's resources. u go ask any note 2 users, how often they use those apps, most of them will tell u in the first week, then they don't bother with them anymore.

lol, u r asking the wrong question in the wrong section. i'm sure that some members will point out the benefits but in an android forum, we always will be a bit biased.

well, to answer your question: if u want to spend a huge sum of $$$ to buy a phone that has a tiny screen with lot of apps (but only 30% of them are free) and u use a macbook or any other apple products with itunes, then the iphone 5 definitely suits u.

if u don't come from a mac environment, then u really shouldn't jump into it because u will be pissed at how annoying apple software is - itunes. ppl say iphone is user friendly, of course it is! until u wanna change your ringtones. or do any normal stuff on the phone that only takes 1 minute to figure out on android, u will take 1 day if u r really smart, 1 week if u are average and forever also don't know how to do it if u r really dumb.

some iphone users (50% of my friends) still don't know how to change their ringtones or copy new songs into their phones until now (after 3 years of using the darn thing!)

things in android are simple enough that a 4 year old kid will know how to use it. copy songs or files into the phone? use USB cable, plug it in, copy and paste, done. lost your phone? all contacts gone? no problem, all contacts will sync back to your new phone automatically when u get your new android phone. there are lots of ppl complaining (especially after they jailbroken their iphones that they lost all their contacts and has no way of getting them back)

the good things about apple devices. u don't have to worry about warranty, they have great customer service and support. u can use the phone for a very long time, they won't forget about the updates, unless your phone is really old and can't support the updates anymore (similar to the Nexus). u get what u paid for, a premium product, it's build quality is second to none. apart from these, i really can't figure out any other advantages of getting the iphone 5 over android phones.

at the end of the day, u will still need to try the phones out yourself. i'm not sure how are u going to try out the Nexus 4, don't know where got display unit since it's a LG phone and it's not even launch yet.

This post has been edited by stormlcc: Nov 9 2012, 04:24 PM

i'm also using DHD with custom Jellybean rom and also Internet Commander Pro to control connections. When screen locked and screen off, all connections will be disabled, when i unlock my phone, they will be switched back on automatically. i can easily get 24 hours from the battery with this setup. sometimes, purchasing an app is very worth it, it only cost a few bucks.

about getting Note 2 apps into N4, it really depends on whether someone in XDA can manage to rip it off the Note and apply it into stock android or not. not to mention u will definitely need root and recovery to flash the app into the phone. the good thing is, this is android, there is bound to be something similar in the play store. like the floating movie player (that samsung blatantly copied) which u can watch movies at the same time use another app to do other stuff.

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Added on November 9, 2012, 4:31 pmwe all treat our phones as pendrives, some way or another.

This post has been edited by stormlcc: Nov 9 2012, 04:35 PM

that's why a Nexus LG phone is the best android phone ever made. super build quality with super fast updates directly from google. and eerrrrr........fyi, ALL devices also depends on the hardware's capability, even the mighty i-devices.

since when does this thread's title changed to 'discussion about review sites and blogs (when nobody here gives a shxt)' ???

SonnyCooL, those tech / review sites depends on certain rules like honesty and integrity to survive in the internet world, how they generate income isn't important, it's how they attract crowds like us and keep us revisiting their site that is. if they are too biased against something, ppl won't bother reading their reviews anymore.

now.....back on topic

that's why world wide market share of android increased from 50% last year to 70% this year, whereas iOS decreased 1%

i've tested my friend's S3 and Note 2 lately, they lag, not as bad as their previous versions, but the stupid touchpiss lag is still there. the responsiveness (opening app, swiping through home screens etc) isn't even on par with my desire HD with vanilla JB (the Note 2 is running JB already)

i'm sure most of the time it is, but sometimes it just isn't responsive enough for my liking, like opening an app, it takes almost 2 seconds sometimes for anything to happen. for a high end quad core phone, this is just unacceptable. maybe i'm just too used to the super response on vanilla JB, and i'm just using a single core phone....